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[–] 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What's the scale? I'm proposing:

1 - able to turn on the device (not necessarily turn it off)
9 - can train and run own LLM (from scratch, not from an existing model)
10 - knows how to reliably set up a printer

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)
    1. Inert object, no ability to move, perceive, or interact with any tech
    2. Root vegetable, largely unaware of technology
    3. Nematode or worm, unlikely to use tools much
    4. Lizard, capable of accidentally pressing buttons
    5. Blue Jay, might learn to deliberately press a button
    6. Orangutan, could make and use simple tools
    7. Human baby, likes to grab things, can use iphone
    8. American high school student, can use electric toothbrush
    9. Chess club member, probably knows javascript
    10. Go club member, probably knows C++
    11. Kernel hacker
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    As someone who wrote not only one, but two kernels, can I claim an 11?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Only if you make something like TempleOS.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not that crazy. I built a fully working preemptive multitasking OS for my C64 (although it was a heavily modified machine), and another one for a customer that used eight processors communicating over SCSI.

    I created a patch for Linux 0.97 (+-, at least somewhere below 1.0), too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Does a university assignment in assembly count?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    9.9/10

    If I'm not interested then you can get 5/10 advice for free just to be polite.

    Skill is not knowledge, it's the ability and hardheadedness to acquire knowledge kicking and screaming to make the world bend to your will so that the printer will actually print.

    obligatory-xkcd-tech-supporthttps://xkcd.com/627/

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yup, getting skills is just worthwhile pain. It's been hard trying to convince some of the younger tech interested people I know to put in the effort instead of going down the AI route, but I know exactly where that'll lead them. You don't get good at this stuff by succeeding, it's the endless failure.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is not one single technology to be good or bad at. You can be an Android development ace, a Windows gamer and a Linux user all at the same time, and naturally you will struggle if you switch to Windows dev and Linux gamer.

    Being tech savy really just means that you know and recognize tons of patterns that pop up everywhere (e.g. drag-n-drop, config files in certain places with overrides in other places etc.)

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    Dependency... magic. Currently I am having to wait for Firefox not loading websites due to a slower DVD drive I am uploading from to cloud in another tab.
    Maybe some internal QoS thingy where it thinks the network connection is slow.

    And recently I had issues with laptop taking a very long time to resume from sleep or turning screen back on due to iio-sensor-proxy, a program responsible for... at least determining physical screen orientation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    First one sounds like a RAM issue, or maybe bandwidth. Uploading directly from a disc sounds incredibly resource hungry.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Neither. Network-wise everything would work, but other Firefox tabs. Especially when I tried uploading multiple files at once, which caused too much seeking.
    I was still able to stream from VLC, while the same stream would time out in Firefox.

    Anyway, I just had to reboot due to a certain runaway situation. Something happened with UDF-fs that caused 100% CPU through excessive logging.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Are we rating ourselves against the general population? I'm an easy 9 if not 10/10.

    Against people working in IT, or skilled enthusiasts? I've really slipped, maybe a 4 or 5 at best.

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  • Please give references for the scale

    Also Richard Stallman -- the man who wrote the original Emacs and GCC -- has never installed a GNU+Linux distro, and he has no idea/interest in it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    8/10 maybe more, maybe less. Software developer, don't really have issues with tech, but put me in front of a quantum computer and I sure as shit would be lost, but fine with consumer products.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Whatever score you give to youself, will be a demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the opposite—seems like many of you on Lemmy don’t realize how bad the general population is with technology and are selling yourselves short. Even knowing what linux is puts you at a 6/10 imo, especially when compared to most folks (half of whom don’t know how gmail works).

    Like the fact that we’re on Lemmy—a site that most americans probably couldn’t access if they tried—shows we’re all at least a 5/10 on the technology scale.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Hmm... Well... Let's see about all the things I can do:

    • I can pirate on Linux, Windows, and Macintosh. I don't consider it difficult.
    • I can install an operating on various mediums, and used to carry a Linux OS (forgot which distro) on a thumb drive with all my stuff on it to use on library computers (used to be poor and homeless. This is how I practiced Blender3D).
    • I have built my own PC, and built PCs for a lot of my friends and family.
    • I know how to bypass admin security on Windows XP.
    • I have and still do mod games, even ones without easy modding support. I do this on Linux.
    • I troubleshoot and fix my own problems, should I run into any. This included opening up hardware.
    • I'm currently in the process of learning coding for the creation of games in Godot.

    All of this and I feel like I've only scratched the surface of technology. So in consideration of the skill that exists with tech, the the 10-scale being used, I'd say my skill in tech is:

    2 out of 10.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    A solid 4, I think. Sure, I can build a PC and install an OS but both of those have been pretty much plug and play for decades at this point.

    Don't ask me about your smartphone, your smart home devices or your Windows 10/11 problems, I don't have a clue about any of that. If you visited my home you'd be forgiven for thinking it was abandoned 20 years ago.

    I can usually figure out basic tech I've never used before, but I'd prefer to have the manual, help or hindrance though that may be.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Depends on if I care of not.

    Phone: 3/10. I don't really care other than googling "how to turn off annoying feature".

    Writing Software: 7/10. It's not beautiful, but it does one thing reasonably well and I finished it in an afternoon. Just don't ask me to write a GUI.

    Writing Software for industrial machinery: I've done it for a living for more than a decade. Still rather skip the GUI part.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Decimal or binary? I'd say a two.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you blindly run commands without thinking, you're gonna have a bad time in Linux.

    SteamOS is also not hard to use, especially if you use it as intended, but if you start going outside the box on things, you can definitely break stuff. Nintendo switch would have the same problems if they let you touch the knobs that valve does with SteamOS

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    8/10.

    Software engineer. Respected across a small public tech company. Most folks who do 30 seconds of GitHub snooping are impressed. There's a decent chance you've used code I wrote. Hopefully it keeps working.

    No idea how to use Windows. Or mac. Lots of missing network and security stuff. Struggle every time I have to do python package management. Terrified of C++.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    1 out of 10

    Retired I.T.

    Told my family that if they ask me to help with an I.T. related issue, I'll bring my hammer.

    Fuck printers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I think it is hard to give an objective rating on this since even extremely skilled individuals (probably half of Lemmy by societal standards) tend to skew their ratings toward the middle. Basically what Dunning-Krueger actually found from their research

    That said... I'd rate myself as a 6/10. Maybe I actually know more than that

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I used to be really good. In the last 15 years or so the industry has insisted on making the interface would be worse and worse. NowI’m damn near helpless. I google more stuff than you can imagine. It’s fucking stupid. I don’t even enjoy most technology anymore.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Probably around 4-6. I know the basics and can do a few other things after using resources from Google/YouTube, but there's times where I stare at a problem and feel like I became my parents who can't figure out how to make a window take up the whole screen.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    11 - I avoid it as much as I can ;)

    More seriously, I will often be the one people around ask for help but it doesn't change that I also learned to absolutely distrust tech.

    All tech, be it corporate-owned as well as free/Libre... I'm using Linux and have no issue (I like it) but I'm also terrified by the many 'social code of conducts' that have been popping out in many communities. Not necessarily because I disagree with their core values, that would not even matter much, but because it's stating a precedent to allow a group to remove any user they don't like/disagree with the right to use a tech... and that power will be used even when not 'the good guys' will be in charge.

    Hence me slowly falling back to analog as much as possible...

    Edit: typos, clarifications

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Scale is always a problem with questions like this. If these are percentiles of the general population, then I'm easily 10 and even trying to dig deep enough into Linux to break a Steam Deck puts you near the upper end of the scale.

    If on the other hand, 0 is an otherwise intelligent adult who refuses to have anything to do with anything having a screen and 10 is Lovelace, Turing, von Neumann, etc... then I might be a 7 or 8.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I mean im in IT and it really depends. Everythings a learning curve so things you have figured out usually goes well but since every tech has pretty much unlimited use cases you still can hit roadblocks. For things you have never done it takes time to learn how to do the common uses and then you can expand out to things that require more finesse (ideally, if the boss wants Z you make it do Z even if you never got it to do X)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It all depends on the day lol.

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  • Somewhere between 7 and 8, if 8 is knowing how to program in programming languages. I don't, but I can script pretty well and I am very techy.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Operating stuff with GUI? Maybe 5/10, just ok.

    Operating stuff using command? 0/10 i suck.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I am an IT technician, I would say that I am about a 7.

    Most of my job deals with psychology.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Learning drive 5. Using once learned 8

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I "hacked" my wii to get free games one time does that count? other than that I can operate most devices but I have no idea how to code and don't have time to learn. I'd put myself at a 6/10.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My thing is C++ and Z80/45GS02 assembly, and I love a good terminal, so wherever that puts me I guess

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I’ve studied a bit of solid state physics and I’ve worked in different tech industries for a while. Dabbled with a bunch of stuff professionally: optics, microcontrollers, motors, fluidics, web, LLMs.

    So.. 5/10?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Maybe 7.75? I've soldered internals, setup computer networks, built computers, do websites/graphics/videos/3D modeling/music. A little of everything.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My technology skill makes me satisfied that your scale starts at zero, but annoyed it didn't end with nine.

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    I've been working with computers and building them my whole life. I am pretty good with windows. I regularly tell potential employers in interviews that I rate my skills with windows computers at about a 6/10. I can probably fix anything you broke, but I am terrified of editing hex code and other things that the IT wizards do with ease.

    I can take apart most electronics and put them back together without breaking them which is not a skill that most people possess apparently. Back when I worked at geeksquad I became known as the "laptop keyboard repair guy" in the area. Other stores would literally send people to see me because apparently nobody else can take apart an hp laptop and remember where all of the 47 screws went or do it without ripping a ribbon cable. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Depends on how you are using your scale.

    1. One way is to quantify how much knowledge do you have right now. This might be average or low or whatever. This doesnt matter at all.

    2. The better way is to think about your willingness to learn and try with confidence. This is what you should actually put on a scale.

    My existing knowledge is better than average. I've spent the last 2 years learning to put together some hardware (NAS/server, custom keyboard from scratch, hitbox videogame controller) and using more software (Linux basics, Docker and server basics, emulators, etc). I'm still probably way behind the tech professionals who are on Lemmy, but I would say my willingness to learn and try is very very high and that's more than enough for an enthusiast and hobbyist.

    Also worth considering benchmarking against the general population rather than Lemmy's tech community. The general public mostly hasn't even heard of the Steam Deck or Linux, and certainly can't manage anything beyond pressing the install button in an app store. Compared the the general public, my wife thinks I'm a literal wizard for having an email address with my own domain and being able to access a remote desktop.

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    5?

    I’ve installed custom ROMs on Android when I used Android. I have a hacked 3DS, PSP, Vita. I have a PiHole, and a little Pi server. I use windows for my games, I’ve built maybe seven machines for myself, my partner, and friends. I know very little Linux, but a little. I use an iPhone now, for as long as I can remember, because I don’t wanna have to fuck around with my phone, but I don’t touch Google anymore. I’m heavy into private trackers, but those seems so easy now. I think a solid five is where I’m at.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am good at technology even when I don't do anything.

    There's a client who says that if I just join a call and do nothing but say hello, things that weren't working just suddenly start working for no apparent reason.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Compared to people who work on cryptography and AI magic? Like 2/10. Compared to Boomers? 9/10.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The number of computer scientists I've known that couldn't set up a VPN, or alter a firewall rule, or change the layout on a web page slightly, or set their out of office replies...

    Basically the experience I've had is that those people you imagine are gods of tech are frequently terrible at tech beyond their very narrow niche.

    But boomers, yeah. Even my mom who was a programmer and mostly stayed current on tech. But when Facebook stopped using a chronological news feed, she couldn't handle it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I have an English Master's and my wife has a PhD in Comp Sci. Guess who sets up all the techie stuff. That'll be meeeee.

    PS fuck Facebook's feed. I found out about a friend's death 2 weeks after she died (her parents couldn't get at her address book so they posted with her account on Facebook instead). I had to tell her other friends because NOBODY had seen the post.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    About a 7.

    Been using Linux for years, have a fairly wide variety of knowledge to pull from, but I'm still not that great or anything.

    It definitely feels like progress slows as we get better.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think I'm 6/10. I'd consider myself an advanced user. I'm capable enough to avoid casual problems, and instead create real serious problems.

    I am skilled enough to understand that I don't know shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Linux piracy can honestly be a pain in the ass. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much over it if it wasn't working properly.

    There's someone called "johncena" then some numbers who supposedly uploads some kind of Linux-ready release of games.

    I'm a Linux pirate so I've been going through the trials and tribulations to get games to work. For the best results, I typical need to install the game in a Windows VM then copy it over to my main OS. It's a hassle and takes up a lot of storage in the process, but it's nice when it works.

    It sucks when it doesn't work and can feel like a waste of time. That's something I've just gotten used to with computers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So, not sure what details I may be missing, but my experience putting any non-steam game onto a steam deck is just transferring over the game folder and linking the executable in steam. No idea how one could mess up any other part of the system with that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hard to put this on an absolute scale with no frame of reference, but maybe like 7-8? I've got a CS degree and I run Linux at home. I know enough to know how much I don't know, but I know how to Google the things I don't know and figure it out. Which is the skill that really matters, right?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Like a 7 or 8 maybe?

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    5/10, i customize my linux desktop, i know how to setup a basic linux server, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'd say probably about a 7. I'm good enough with technology to have been using Linux for the past few years without any major issue that wasn't caused by the distro I was using. I still wouldn't say that I'm great with it though, because there are still several things I don't know how to do and there are probably also a bunch of things that would be useful for me to know but I just haven't found them yet or even know that I need them in the first place.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Entirely dependent on the field of technology. On average, like a 6 or 7? But i do regularly find myself to be a dumbass who doesn't know shit about fuck.

    If my brain worked on command that'd probably bump me up to an 8 or 9 though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    3/10

    I set up a jellyfin server but when I attempted a raw arch install I wanted to put a gun in my mouth.

    I literally have a tech job and tell the people I don't like tech. It's a means to an end.

    Can't even attempt terminal beyond downloads and updates. Tried a cli and quickly realized I need a gui. I am not a robot.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I can pirate games, movies and books, can use SciHub to download articles behind paywalls, and have installed ReVanced on my phone. 🤷

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  • i3. I know how to confidently issue commands to search and then confidently type it in my computer.

    yup, the 'i' means imaginary.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    3/10 too.

    Linux IS hard to use, especially when you try to do something you never can on Windows.

    I spent this morning trying to fix the WiFi driver on my laptop and ended up using USB-LAN adapter.

    Also, I tried to run Ente Photos on Coolify on said laptop and I couldn't. Luckily there was a preset for immich so I used it instead.

    Linux is hard. Computer is hard and it should be.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Computer is hard and it should be.

    Too fucking hard, that's why a lot of people prefer phones (and tablets)

    I mean, its very difficult to even brick a phone OS, but delete a wrong file on a computer and, its reinstall time, meanwhile phones can just delete data and start over, its nearly impossible to delete the OS.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Depends on the tech:
    I can do most things on Linux, both at home and at work. And the latter pays me handsomely for it.

    I'm OK with windows. I was good decades ago, and the things I am still a Le to do rely on experience way back when.

    I still don't know how to right click on a Mac.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    In case you didn't figure it out (I don't have a Deck, but Linux Desktop), exit Big Picture mode, install Heroic Launcher, click "add new game", (optional: type in the name and set the image if you want), select that it's a Windows version, (optional: select a specific Proton version in the dropdown), select the executable you downloaded, and you're done.

    If the download was an installer instead, do the same steps except before you select the executable click "run executable" or whatever it says first and run the imstaller, then select the executable that the installer creates (it'll be in the prefix for the game, which should open when you click "select executable.")

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    12/10. I’m good at the cyber.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    1/10

    Im not really one to think twice before doing something. My Homelab is literally „dont move, break things”, im lazy as fuck, I even left my TrueNAS mirrored pool as degraded for a week now because I can't bother to read the manpages for zfs and read why my newly bought drives are getting checksum errors, and I backup anyway to Hetzner and Synology anyway. I broke at least 3 opensuse PCs trying to update without checking my available space first, and didn't bother to switch to leap afterwards (since they can go with less updates, they're just Netflix and IPTV clients). My record is 4 times in a row. Luckily fedora Atomic removed my competence from the equation. And I won't even mention the many times I sloppily migrated my PCs from Ubuntu, Opensuse, to Nobara because I was anti Atomic distros, to arch, opensuse again, arch, artix, Gentoo, and now back to Bazzite.

    But to be honest, that was when I was between 13-16, but now a month later I already feel the responsibility in me. (Except that Zfs thing, I got those drives for my birthday)

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