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[–] 166 points 2 weeks ago

Does everyone remember how Steam banned NFT games and Epic allowed them and how that absolutely catapulted them into success over their competitor? ... no?

OK, well, but maybe this time?

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  • [–] 264 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

    Age ratings tell parents what’s in a game so they can make informed decisions for their kids. These AI statements are just as partisan as mandatory political essays or forcing developers to list their voting history to drive cancel campaigns and public struggle sessions.

    Absolutely fuck this fucking guy.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's a great "better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool than to talk and remove all doubt" moment. He can't help himself, it's like the more power and money someone has, the more time they have to imagine how they're victims.

    But I like to know who is an awful person so I can avoid them, so thanks Tim.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    I figured that many people are sad and lonely, ultra rich people too but they usually also are low empathy ones so that's why they are lonely (and thus sad). Money just helps them force their thoughts down other peoples throats without effort.

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  • [–] 95 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Honestly, could we have those too? I would love to have that.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Since when the fuck has AI been partisian? It sounds like he's trying to make it partisian. In reality, everyone hates the data centers. The only thing that's partisan-adjacent is that the Trump administration (Trump specifically) loves it, but that's just because he's a boomer and boomers, for some reason I do not yet understand, tend to like the shitty photo/video generative AI more than others.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago*

    People like this have two reasons to make it partisan:

    1. It's a way for them to stay delusionally self-victimized since "AI would be a total success if it weren't for that group of haters" and it's convenient to make the haters the political out-group, since typically these people already view themselves as tragically oppressed politically (while somehow having all of the power and being the only oppressors themselves).
    2. If they succeed in making it partisan, that means they gain about 30% of the population as supporters via political team sports, versus 90% bipartisan hate right now.
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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    As aggravating as this might be to hear, there is at least one state where workers unions have been pro-datacenter under the belief that the work to build them will at least bring them some contracting/construction jobs. Some states are destitute enough to accept anything, even if it's only a short-term bandaid for their economic troubles.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 weeks ago

    As I like to say: Sucks to suck.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Idiot could have made bank on goodwill if he donated to Heroic development, but chose to shoot himself in the foot with a hallucination gun instead lmao

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  • [–] 179 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    He calls it an "anti-technology smear campaign", and claims that it's akin to Valve forcing developers to list their political affiliation, i.e. whether they vote Republican or Democrat

    Billionaires and false equivalencies, name a more iconic duo

    I mean, if we're going to compare apples and oranges, how about with a metaphor that makes sense? Like how if you sell food you have to list the ingredients used

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  • [–] 91 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

    There's a real economic cost to [blah blah crybaby way of saying AI disclosures]

    Yes. There is. Because informed consumers vote with their wallets. As it should be. Moron.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

    The Epic Store has always been anti-consumer so it's no surprise he defends that kind of practice.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Every 10th item on rhe epic store is soft core FMV fantasy girlfriend porn.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    I'm not sure what your point is because Steam is absolutely flooded with porn games, especially since the rise of genAI.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    It's not about availability, it's about marketing. I don't stumble across porn games on steam, but I regularly do on Epic.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    It gives consumers free games and takes a smaller cut from the developers than steam. All corporations have mutually exclusive interests with the consumer tho.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    They do that to try to gain marketshare. They should try to just stop being shitty instead and improve their client. And get off Xitter.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    They do that to try to gain marketshare.

    This is every single action any entity which exists to extract profit from you that isn't immediately increasing revenue or decreasing expenses/wages.

    They should try to just stop being shitty

    Once again, this is done to gain marketshare

    It's weird as fuck to see people with loyalty to one corporation or another.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Sue. My point is they're not doing it out of the good of their heart. They're doing it in lieu of actually making it a good platform to buy from.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    No corporation has ever done anything out of the good of its heart because they do not have hearts, you are still treating them like people instead of entities that exist exclusively to extract money from you while giving as little money to its workers as possible.

    They’re doing it in lieu of actually making it a good platform to buy from.

    Nah, giving the workers more money and me free games does more to make a platform viable than features. But doing shit everyone hates like filling your store with slop games that can't be identified until you've already paid is a dumb decision.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You're an idiot that only cares about getting free stuff. You are arguing against people having "loyalty to one corporation or another" while endlessly defending the objectively worse company simply because you like to get free games...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It gives consumers free games

    Wow, amazing. Nevermind that most those giveaways are on sales for peanuts anyway. And you get them on garbage launcher.

    and takes a smaller cut from the developers than steam.

    Great, they take smaller cut. At a low, low cost of being a black hole of exposure. But hey! They do take a smaller cut from the two copies you do sell.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    So do developers on Steam, you literally have a filter for free games. While also having user reviews, forums, a sane refund policy, regional pricing, curators, funding Linux driver development, as well as a shopping cart (though I heard Epic Store finally put enough braincells together to get that one too).

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    At this point he has whined about it so much that everyone's going to know the game uses AI, even if they don't disclose it. He would have genuinely being better off shutting up about it.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    At this rate, all games made in Unreal will automatically need AI disclosures.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I don't think that everyone uses Ai, even with Unreal. Unless there are features that has to be used and are basically Ai components.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Tim Sweeney owns the Unreal engine, so I think their point was that Unreal itself is going to be so AI slop-coded that games made on it will need disclosures because they came out of the Unreal bucket.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago*

    Ah, I see. Well I didn't think of that one. Yeah, that's a valid point. If the Engine itself is vibe slopped, well then the game developed with the Engine is basically Ai assisted / partially generated.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago

    He's the Trump of the video gaming industry

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago

    Billionaire Doesn't Want You to Make Informed Decisions About Your Purchases - more news at 11

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago

    One thing is for sure. Whatever happens, Tim Sweeney will never stop whining and crying online. It is as if he's taken on a challenge to take Musk's throne as the saddest, least funny online personality.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    He is a great example of CEOs who would help their company image more if they never made themselves known.

    More he talks the more insufferable he comes off and in return so does the company.

    If it weren't for how he chose to make his personality so prominent, Epic would probably not be as hated among PC gamers.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    You either get ousted a gaming hero or stay on the board long enough to become the CEO villain.

    I think only Croteam has managed to exist as long as they have without going evil or being bought out*, but they've never quite been successful enough for that to happen.

    edit: Just remembered that Croteam's publisher bought them, but they were at risk of shutting down and Devolver Digital seems like one of the good publishers.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Can someone ask this dumb fuck if he's also this upset about ingredient labels on food?

    News flash, Timmy: people want to know at least a little bit about how the sausage is made, otherwise we'd all be forced to eat Soylent Green by greedy, unethical capitalist billionaires like you.

    Valve understands what the customer wants, Epic simply does not.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Tim Sweeney is a professional crier.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    "Why do we have to list ingredients, you can't even taste the poison!"

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Now you just made me think that at some point, there's going to need to be a The Jungle for gaming. There's going to be some kind of exposé on different major game developers and how they use AI and other shitty practices to make the most addicting games.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 weeks ago* (6 children)

    Him complaining is all the proof we need that even he doesn't believe in his "fight".

    Because he wants to be able to reap money from the ocean of slop games but he doesn't want his store to be the only one trying to hide the sloppiness of it.

    Hey asshole, you've got your own store, and you can do whatever you want with it. But no, you can't expect to drag your competition with you at rock bottom because you think being better than you is unfair.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Valve is the big meanie that continues to give their customers more value, and they heavily invest in research and development which benefits the consumer. Steam link, steam controller, steam deck, Proton.... all of these were part of Valve's sinister plan to continue serving customers.

    This concept stands in the way of Epic's business model, which does not include giving value to customers, they just see games as a commodity like wheat.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Steam Frame is an awesome piece of kit too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    I'm talking about the service/products that Valve makes that expands the value of what they offer.... adding additional value to customers for "free"

    Steam link let you take your entire Library to a different location to stream... It brought the PC experience to the couch (and you did not need their dedicated hardware, you could use your own hardware and their app). The Deck makes your entire Library portable and you do not have to repurchase on different platforms. Family sharing lets you "give" your games to friends for nothing. Proton brings almost everything to Linux.

    Although the frame is a fine product and people love it, it's not what I'm really talking about. It is a very fine doodad but it does not belong on the same shelf as the other customer service achievements that I'm crediting Valve.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The Deck makes your entire Library portable and you do not have to repurchase on different platforms.

    The frame also does this.

    They also developed Steam VR to work with other headsets, not just the frame (or index, or vibe)

    If the deck is relevant to the discussion, frame is just as relevant, and none of the words you typed seem to suggest otherwise.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Isn't the entire Unreal Engine just AI slop at this point? Like the engine itself is now vibe coded?

    Kinda the same with the new Unity? Might not be vibe coded itself, but they just redesigned it specifically so LLM agents can be plugged into it, right?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I mean to be honest every engine is going to be like that now at least partly.

    I do kind of hope valve update their AI policy at some point to actually clarify what the label means. Both open source and closed source engines are vulnerable to AI code so unless you also build the engine your game might include AI code without your knowledge. So who's responsibility is it at that point to check the little box in the store to say this game includes code made by AI?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I mean to be honest every engine is going to be like that now at least partly.

    If that is so then disclosing the fact will carry little if any stigma.

    However I don't see why you would suppose that any amount of slop code being published might make (for example) the Quake engine become slop.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    I'll say that on youtube, the implementation has been problematic.

    There's a channel where the creator has used a speech synthesis for long before the modern crop of AI text to speech. He still uses the same old speech synthesis, not even one of the newer models, but flagged as 'AI'.

    Conversely, blatant slop appears with zero indication. With no option to report as AI slop.

    But the point is that if someone used an LLM to do some code completion, technically AI but I don't think anyone would consider something like 'multiply all members of this array by this other array' to be 'slop' when turned into what an LLM would turn it into. There's some point where it's lost the plot entirely, but it is going to be relatively unlikely that folks ever give up the 'still micromanaging, but letting an LLM bake in the very specific syntax needed' level of AI.

    On the other hand, we have people turning a total lack of idea into big, time-consuming content that requires a minute to figure out how hollow it is. It's a continuation of what I'll retroactively call 'asset-slop' where people just tossed in a bunch of existing assets, but harder to tell at a glance. Saw an ad recently for Perplexity, saying you can just ask Perplexity to make video slop and post to youtube with zero effort and make $10k/month, brazen in the worst of the worst of the AI users.

    All that said, Sweeney is pretty firmly in the 'let the slop flow' end of the AI spectrum, so screw him.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    I'm not quite sure I understand what your point is.

    Almost all modern game engines will potentially have AI code in. Most of them are either be managed by a company like blizzard or unity. The rest are open source projects like Godot.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    every engine is going to be like that now at least partly.

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    all modern game engines will potentially have AI code in.

    I think you might have understood me better than you let on. Or a strong wind blew the goal posts just enough to accommodate the word "modern" where they first stood.

    Time will tell whether, in the future, all modern Scotsmen will eat slop with their porridge. At present there are still many extant Scotsmen who do not.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago

    Tim should have been shoved into more lockers.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Go away Sweeney-weenie. Go away.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Cry harder timmy. You fuckin loser.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I think the time has come to divorce ourselves from content that can't have its provenance proven.

    Truthfully I rather like the idea of having a small but very heavily documented and curated collection of media than the tidal wave of 'content' we have now.

    It may take longer to get stuff but when you have something you can have all of the information about how it was made. Personally I think that would be much more fun.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yeah, and the word 'content' never sat right with me, either. It describes something that fills a void, not necessarily with any purpose. And being 'content', not having any demands, just accepting whatever you get.

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    No one gives a shit what he thinks.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago

    His games aren't even on Steam. What problems does this guy have? Users should know about Ai usage in the games, and decide themselves if they want it or not. It's not up to Tim to decide. Thank god its not up to Tim to decide.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    AI disclosures are the compromise. If they're not contempt with the compromise, then AI may as well be gone from art creation.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    How do EGS’s investors let Tim use Twitter?

    If I was at Tencent, Sony or whatever, I’d take his phone away. The sheer toxicity of this one person is, err, unreal, and just shutting him up would eliminate so much drama.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Unless it somehow has changed in recent years Sweeney still owns the majority of the company. Other investors can complain all they want but Sweeney gets the final word and if he wants to continue being the Elon Musk (not the 2020s ketamine fried Musk but the 2010s main character syndrome and savior complex Musk) of gaming he can tell the other investors to suck it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Tencent bought 40% afaik, and they had several rounds since then.

    Maybe Sweeney owns a controlling portion with a privileged share class, but I would be surprised if he owned a majority.

    …You are not wrong though. I guess this wouldn’t be happening if he didn’t have absolute control.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Sweeney pretending this is about indie developers is hilarious.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    A common big business tactic is "small business"-washing the anti-regulatory actions. I asked a few right-libertarians on what regulations stop someone to make the Windows killer, only one didn't block me, instead he came up with hypotheticals about a group of people working for free for someone until they get a working prototype, and said maybe there's one regulation that is so obscure he couldn't find in a few hours of googling(!).

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago

    I think ol Tim had a lot of slop in the pipeline and this will force him to delay everything due to quality control so there aren't any six fingers and deformed faces in the background so he won't be able to release a "new" slop game every two months but considering how much of an asshole he is he still might go for it and just take the backlash.

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