There's often a skill that seem interesting, but I can't see doing anything for me in my day-to-day life. What have you learned that was a lot more effort than the payoff was worth?

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[–] 87 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I got a bunch of software certs for when I was first job hunting and now they either no longer exist or have been so changed that the certs don't matter.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    certs are scam.

    but they pad your resume and make test companies a lot of money.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Depends on the cert and the environment you are already in.

    For example, I'm an IT Consultant, we kind of rely on 'professional certs' to get work at client projects, especially if a project is covering specific niches and we have consultants that have certifications within those niches.

    Also, many of the more mainline certs can definitely be worth getting (especially in the early career stages), as a quick example some of the CompTIA certs like Networking+ (a colleague got his job with us solely with that cert btw)

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That's probably the worst part of it. In some places they're required or very helpful to have, even though they're still complete bs and a scam. Cisco is the perfect example. Their certs are useless and constantly changing, they're really expensive, and they don't really teach you about the general subject (networking). They just shill their products and their proprietary, non compatible way of doing stuff, and you pay thousands for that. Yet jobs still want those certs, even if they don't work with Cisco.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I remember looking into getting Azure and GCP certs some years ago and went through a few prep courses. It turns out getting the initial certs for cloud services like them is basically to be a salesman for them. It's like they're training IT people inside companies to be embedded salespeople for them. Insidious, and kinda genius.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Oh yeah they do. I got my Google GAIL a while back and my son just finished up some AWS one, they are both just variations of 'Which of our products would you use for x?'.

    C|EH was more fun to study for than test for.

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  • [–] 85 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    As an old time computer nerd I have uncountable examples of deprecated knowledge. There is no use in knowing how to use the reserved upper memory in autoexec.bat and config.sys, nor how to use Napster or Kazaa.

    But all these skills do shape your brain and way of thinking.

    Assembly language taught me to be precise and think before typing. Flash taught me that nothing lasts forever, as big as it might seem.

    Eventually, all this adds up and creates a profile that is very demanded in my career.

    That said, my mom taught me to thread a needle without looking. And I can't sew, so that's that.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I had to learn himem.sys and loadhigh when I was about 10 years old and the family PC HDD crashed. I had a copy of DOS and a manual the size of a phone book. The only way out was to write my own boot disk.

    But yes, these days it's a bit of a useless skill.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    While knowledge like that is deprecated, the foundational skills and problem-solving it gave you are still very valuable. Modern systems are still built upon old roads, so people with this base level of knowledge have a far easier time sorting out what fixes are needed. Like being an old mechanic that diagnoses a car issue almost immediately because they can hear the issue without hooking up a digital diagnostic, they already know what to look for.

    I miss older computers, lol. 2000-2010-ish was the golden era.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Man, 99.9% of those old commands are still 100% valid. Knowing about memory addressing is super useful when you need to help the computer remember that it does what it's told, even if it doesn't think you should be allowed to at first.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Wait, how do you thread a needle without looking?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    It's pretty cool to see once mastered because it takes less than a second and not many catch what happened.

    You take the thread and wrap it around the needle and pull tight. Grab the thread with two fingers and pinch it. Slide the needle out and shove the needle's eye into the pinched thread. When the thread goes through, grab it and pull it all the way.

    The skill comes into play aiming the eye correctly and doing it fast.

    It's probably easier to understand watching a tutorial video.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I was intrigued and found a video. I think this is what you're describing.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XINziQscpOY&t=729s

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yes that is exactly it! I've just learnt it's called the fold method. You can feel the thread and the eye in the fingers it's impressive to see it done fast in one shot, my mom worked knitting and sewing and probably didn't even need to think about it.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    I'm a trained electrician. Despite taking and passing a reputable school for it, I can't get licensed to do it in my state because you have to have 2 years apprenticeship. You get an apprenticeship you have to go through a school supported by the union. The only school supported is the one they own.

    Despite being fully capable of wiring a building to code, installing a solar array or electric car chargers I can't do shit with the information and it way a year and $2k fucking wasted.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That's not useless, that's a corrupt state.

    Not your fault at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If I'd taken the time to call around and figure this out beforehand or picked a school that arranged the apprenticeships, wouldn't be out the time and money.

    I'm not upset about it, I know more now and there's plenty of dubious electricians that will inspect my work and sign off on it if I need to do anything. Plus I'm in mental health now which is my real passion.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The local schools exist, so why would anyone really think to check if a school is locally applicable? It's a type of problem I see often, in general: you wouldn't have known what precise things to research until you're faced with the actual problem. Sometimes kind and scarred souls will blast their warnings across the relevant initial source of information, but most people just move on.

    But, that being said, that's not a terrible amount of money for, presumably, a ton of relevant knowledge to any homeowner or home owning friends. I'd love some electrical knowledge and confidence, spent all my point son automotive. But I'm glad you found more passion in a different path, too.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Any chance you could get licensed in another state using what you know (without an apprenticeship) then seek licensing in your own state via some kind of reciprocity agreement with your home state?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That is fucked. Aren't apprenticeships usually paid? They expect you to pay for it instead?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The apprenticeship is paid, but you can't have the apprenticeship until you finish school. But no, not that school, this other school that we have specifically formed a monopoly with.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    are you anti union or just anti this one school?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Unions are fantastic. The problem here is that after spending 2k and a year learning, I was told that the only way I could get the apprenticeship hours needed to get licensed is to spend another 2k and another year going to a different school for the exact same class using the exact same books because no one in my area will take you on unless you use this school.

    I cannot test out, I cannot transfer credit, I cannot skip it. Because this is the standard in place and going against it violates their agreements with the union, I cannot work in my city. I'm all for unions, but any organization can be corrupted and this is exactly what it is.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    English sheep counting, a base-20 number system. Often called Yan Tan Tethera. Lincolnshire is the best version.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    Can't think of anything.

    Life's a journey, not a destination.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Probably morse code. It was required for my ham radio license back in the day to read it at 10 WPM. I put quite a few hours into learning it through the koch method.

    At the end of the day I'm just not very interested in getting a lot of contacts. I just like building and tinkering with radios.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My limited experience listening to ham radio operators with my scanner (listening to voice, not Morse code) is that when hams do get in contact with each other, they mostly talk about ham radios. Which, I mean, I guess is understandable, since it's a common interest to all of them, but a lot of it is people who like building and tinkering with radios talking about building and tinkering with radios.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    That's often the topic on your local repeater or 80m ring.

    Morse tends to be a bit more brief like "I'm in grid ab12cd and read you 599", with a lot more abbreviations. Usually for competitions or just crossing off every square on your maidenhead-map.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Getting a private pilot certificate. Was fun, but after going to every airport within range, not sure it was worth it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    At least you didn't go all the way through Instrument rating and Commercial license, only to realize ADHD was a thing and also not treatable while maintaining a medical.

    I was already working in tech so the backup plan is chugging along fine; but goddamn the student loans....

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What are the rules around flying a small plane with ADHD? I'm unclear if one needs to be off meds for an extended period to get a private license

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I believe for even a third-class medical a pilot needs to be off ADHD medication for over 4 years, with additional screening/testing involved if they have been prescribed. My knowledge is limited since I have never been prescribed such meds and only realized I have some level of ADHD due to my son getting a diagnosis. He only took the meds for a year or two in elementary school before he opted to stop due to side effects and his brain overcoming that developmental hurdle.

    It sounds terrible, but my advice would be that unless your ADHD is severe enough to demand medication you should never ever tell an Aviation Medical Examiner or standard doctor about ADHD suspicions if flying is something you want to do. I could technically still go fly if I found the time, and have never felt I was distracted given the degree that flying a plane engages all parts of your brain.

    There is a dark side to this way of thinking though, as any sort of deviation from the norm with mental health or cognitive performance is often pushed under the rug instead of being treated due to fear of losing livelihood. A tragic example was Germanwings Flight 9525.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I can relate! Left a longer comment elsewhere on this post but yeah I forgot and recently re-remembered how devastating to aviation prospects it is to be on ADHD meds. At least I got cut off midway through IFR tho so my loans weren't even worse for no financial payoff

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I've been trying to figure out what to do in my life and this is tentatively on my bucket list. Problem is it's crazy expensive and I don't have use for it afterwards!

    How did the process of getting the cert go for you?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    If I had to do it again, I'd start with the end goal and work backwards. It was a long time ago, I was single with no extra expenses, had a decent job, and thought it might be fun to learn. If I had wanted to become a professional pilot, the calculation would have been very different.

    Getting the cert mainly involved putting in the hours. Having a good instructor helps a lot. Also, not making any stupid mistakes. I almost stalled the plane hard on my first solo touch and go. The hardest part was getting used to the ATC lingo and not stuttering too much. I got an aircraft band radio with a headphone and joined all the weirdos who liked to sit at the end of airport runways.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I got my Realtor's license without realizing just how much it cost to break into the business. I did it for a year, and then dropped it.

    That's the only one I can think of. Typically, I don't learn on spec, I learn as I go, "on the job". So, what I'm learning is directly applicable to what I need to do.

    For instance, I recently refurbished an old, cheap desk. I learned to apply laminate with contact cement. It's not hard, but it was my first time doing it. A few weeks later I'm at a counter at a business and they have laminate that is separating from the base, and I knew exactly why. They told me that someone had been hired just a few weeks earlier to repair the same problem, and it happened again. I knew how to fix it right, but I didn't need a job so I just commiserated with them.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I ruined my diaphragm learning how to burp my ABCs

    It was only sort of worth it

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    Maybe ruined is a bit hyperbolic , the diaphragm is actually tough and iirc skeletalbut it strains the muscles so i gave myself acid reflux and burp when i talk sometimes

    Worth it? Only when im not having acid reflux

    It got better over time though, the secret was simply to stop being a weird dork child who learned to force burp for a parlor trick

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Man, I got so lucky, I managed to learn how to burp my ABCs and I can still do it approaching 40 without I'll effect. Also it turns out it is useful as a skill for managing a trans oesophageal ultrasound, a horrible procedure where you swallow something a bit smaller than a kiwi fruit connected to a tube and then have to just choke on it for 20-30 minutes. You can deal with the sensation because it is not dissimilar to the inhale of the burp but extended for the whole time.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Making tofu from scratch. Also sourdough.

    I love cooking in all forms, and there are a lot of things I happily do from scratch. I love baking bread, making my own oat milk, mixing up my own seitan from vital wheat gluten, and a whole bunch of other things.

    But making tofu was something I tried a bunch of times and have ultimately given up on. It is extremely time consuming, very difficult to get right, and makes a worse product than what I can buy at the store. It isn't even cheaper to do, as the cost of the soybeans and the cost of the premade tofu are about the same. I may make it on occasion if I plan on serving it on its own as a dish with soy sauce, but that is about it.

    With sourdough, I found it easy to get into, but my husband and I both prefer our baked goods to be not sour, and we both have pretty sensitive tastebuds in that regard. It is easier for me to just use instant yeast whenever I need it and make something we both prefer to eat.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    One day sourdough is not sour, and still easier than using commercial yeast. When I'm making sandwich bread I do it in a condensed timeline and the starter just works like a more robust version of yeast. You don't have to make "the sourdough" as my kids call it (they ask for it because they like it but I do understand y'all's preference.)

    I use my starter to make bread, cinnamon rolls, donuts, once a puff pastry that was so annoying to make but maybe the best thing I've ever tasted. I just don't buy yeast anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I am not sure why, but my one day sourdoughs were still sour to me, and they would usually get more sour as the days passed after baking. I think it is because I live in a humid area that also tends to be cooler, as climate does impact the taste.

    I am glad you got it to work for you! But for me it is cheaper to buy the yeast in a large block and use that.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    People pleasing, spent nearly four decades getting so good at it thinking if only I could be just that little bit “more good” that I’d get what I want and need from people and relationships only to realize I’ve been plenty good this whole time, it’s a fools errand and I only attract people who will move the goal posts every time because it’s what I expect and have trained for

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I learned how to work hard and be good at my job and actually get things done, not just look busy and act important.

    Jokes on me, the entire management make 100x more than me and do 100x less. And they get to spend hundreds of millions on stupid projects that are horrible ideas, but I have to cut back on my area to save $100.

    I should have put all my stat points into soulless bullshit corporate jargon and none into intelligence.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    100%. I'm not a manager but the higher I get, the more I'm paid and the less useful work I do. I just end up telling people smarter than me what I need them to do.

    Coming from a working class background, it's a difficult thing to rationalize in my mind but a friend described it well by saying "Can you do their job? - No? Then you can be the buffer against the politics and BS and keep them organized and working on the right thing so they don't have to worry about that"

    It's a lot less fulfilling than doing practical work but I also feel like I have a lot more agency (for better or worse) than I did at lower levels.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I learned one of the major orchestration tools (puppet), dabbled in the second (chef), and got a third running everything in my home lab (ansible). I refused to learn the 4th (salt). I figured my time was better spent learning python.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I think that configuration management software is important for many people who admin a large number of computer systems, because being able to modify and spin up identical systems is important to them.

    But if you don't fall into that category, it may not buy one that much.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    Cursive I guess.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Even if you don't end up using it, the process of learning something often shapes us into who we are. So it's tough to say something isn't worth the effort.

    For example, I learned to read sheet music when I was younger and taking piano lessons. It took a while and I don't really use that skill today since I mostly play by ear or tab (fretted instruments). However, I appreciate understanding what the notes mean and think it made me more musical overall.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    I can't learn skills I don't like to learn. As time wasted having fun is time well spent, I never learned a skill not worth the effort of learning it.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I got half of my A+ certification before deciding fuck this and going into a different career. I can code very simply, I have very basic networking skills, and I use none of it. I'm amazed at people who can do it but I am not cut out for IT anything I don't think. Too much work.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm a big believer that computation should be a skill we learn in school. I think a lot of normal people would benefit from being able to make some simple scripts in python for personal use or even just for fun. I hope you don't always think that the coding skills are useless <3. That said I agree the networking stuff you can throw out the window! I know enough to know that I will never fully understand how network topology works. Every time I get to the /24 or whatever that's called my eyes start rolling.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    As a network guy at work, it took me a long time to grok it, but now it amazes me how poorly these concepts are usually taught. They're actually fairly straightforward in concept. Oh well, it means I have a secure job, and most people don't really need to know.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Not just computation, but algorithmics. People should learn how to break down any complex task in a suite of simple, logical, deterministic steps and conditions.

    At least it would help me stop getting requirement written in "human logic" that are literally impossible to implement...

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Too much work

    Shit, brother, I got into IT largely because I'm too lazy to do mindless shit over and over the hard way. It was a strong motivator to learn regex and coding in general. I automate that shit and then I fuck off with the time saved.

    Or at least I used to. I was too good at it so now they want me to keep other developers from fucking off all day, and that's a lot of work.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I honestly can't think of any, even though I have many examples that objectively seem to not have been worth the effort.

    Easiest example is flight school. I went to a tech college for its professional piloting program. Got my private pilot cert and multi engine rating, and completed IFR in the simulator. But when it came time to sign up for IFR in a real plane, I couldn't get approved for enough student loans to cover the cost, so I dropped out, switched to business school, got a tech job, and dropped out of business school too.

    By all accounts, the debt I racked up (like $75k) and the pilot license I haven't exercised in 14 years are all a huge waste. And my flight instructor was such an impatient ass that I feel mildly scarred from the times he yelled at me.

    But, I will never get over the massive feeling of accomplishment I got from earning my private pilot certification. And even more so, earning my multi-engine rating. Even if I failed a part of each of those checkrides and had to retake those portions, I passed them. Even if I never fly again, I am so fucking proud of myself for earning those.

    I guess since I never actually graduated from any of the many colleges I've dropped out from (three or four depending on how you count), pilot license is my closest analog.

    Also have a CDL and skill with docking 53 foot trailers, and tons of forklift experience. Those haven't been used in a very long time and I may never use them again, but still feel like important parts of me.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Sorry the aviation route didn’t work out. The two hardest ratings (IMO) are the initial private and then the IFR license. The former is learning everything about aircraft and flying, but IFR is learning to fly all over again. If you get those two everything else just feels like an add-on.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Driving. Never used it.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    All the useless mathematical technics from studying physics at university. Now working in software engineering, I barely use more than highschool math, sometimes.
    Instead of spending weeks writing down equations I wish I had learned more about science history, breakthrough experiments, other sciences etc.
    Those maths are only useful for a tiny percentage of the students that will eventually become theoritical physics researchers.
    It's the curse of studying science in France, it's unnecessarily math heavy.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    EE here and the math was hard. Barely touch any of it now, but I miss it and I wish it was more practical. Maybe it was in training me to be very precise and methodical.

    But in solid state physics, having the math to follow and understand maxwells equations, e=mc^2, and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Priceless.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I used to work for a software consulting firm and one of our clients was NASA. Nothing exciting, just replacing an expensive proprietary system written in a commercial language with an open source one used for analyzing data from the Parker Solar Probe (PSP) and the then to be launched Interstellar Boundary Explorer (I BEX).

    The maths were so far beyond my two time community college drop out, barely graduated high school, self taught background I couldn't even explain them. Fortunately we used paired programming and had enough mathemagitians on staff I never had to deal with the maths alone. My contribution was mostly UI and data visualization.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    I think that the mathematical concepts that I learned were mostly generally useful.

    But what was useless was the emphasis on doing work by hand. My particular pet peeve is all the time I spent in calculus classes being taught techniques to do symbolic integration by hand.

    I was doing a math project once, working with the husband of one of my calculus professors. He himself was a mathematics professor. I dropped by his office. He had to work something out that involved a symbolic integration and fired up Mathematica. I said "You can probably do all this by hand". He laughed and said something like, "Nobody who has to do actual work with this is going to waste time doing this by hand". He was right.

    Today, I use maxima to do symbolic integration. It's in my Linux distro and on my Android phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Often this kind of math is so specialized you can only learn it on a job with a senior. Adapting the math to discreet computing is also a challenge, but usually there some library doing it for you, like the Fast Fourier Transform.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    For sure, even with several people on the team with advanced math degrees and even one former astronomer we still had to rely heavily on the NASA team for most of the math we built in to the program. Though we tried to include as little as possible because the client felt that anyone working in the software for publication would need to verify all of the calculations manually anyway so we gave them a python script tool to let them cook.

    Another project we had was control software for a flow cytometer which did have to bake in a lot of math around particle physics but the physics math was done before I rotated onto the project so I only got a synopsis.

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