Haha! You're just like my buddy!

My superior M&KB did not prepare me to be owned so much in Halo!

Those controller folks are gifted.

Did you know that GoldenEye actually has dualstick controls, you just had to use two controllers

I remember Goldeneye but I played it on GameCube so have no idea how more traditional controllers handled input.

I remember goldeneye. And yeah it would be annoying. You could probably plug the snipe commands onto the right thumbstick. But yeah trying to emulate 90s single stick controls onto double stick controllers is a pain. Almost as bad as trying to emulate a Wii lol.

Thats because he discovered the secret that we all eventually discover when playing with dual sticks:

You don't actually aim with the right stick, you aim by strafing.

Think about it, when you've lined up the perfect shot in the distance but the enemy keeps moving, do you readjust your aim? Or do you duck walk in a little circle whilst prone until the crosshair lines up

I've seen this happen with 20 and 30 year olds.

Its an entire learned skill that a large segment of the population never learned.

... unfortunately, much like reading and writing, these days.

But yeah, the idea that... you can move your position in 3d, with wasd or a dpad or a stick... and also orient your view angle with a mouse or stick ... at the same time?

This is utterly baffling and disorienting to a lot of people who've never played a first person perspective game before.

Its ... part of why AAA games are more often than not third person, in the last decade.

Its easier to pickup for a noobie, because you have a constant point of reference, you can always see the avatar of the player, camera movements are less sensitive and less drastic because you have a wider FOV.

I've seen many boomers either stare at their feet or the ceiling & they have no clue how to solve their situation because they are disoriented. Same with young kids learning.

Any last words, Jim?

I've always wondered what's specifically going on their minds when that happens. I remember getting into shooters and pretty much immediately understanding the two separate axes in Duke Nukem 3D at like age 7-8 (yeah I played violent games when I was young my parents only restricted movies). Maybe that's why? My brain was just better able to learn at that age? Or is it that I am autistic? Is neurology a factor?

EDIT: Just realized, even younger, I played and beat Star Fox SNES, which only had 1 axis, where aiming and moving were bound together. Maybe it was the baby step of playing a simpler 3D shooter game.

Yeah, it's just wild to me, that we went full-force ahead with the whole 3D thing, when you lock out so many potential players with it.
With 2D games, you can chuck someone a controller and even if they're just haphazardly pressing buttons, they can still participate in the game. With 3D, no chance.

And even those who do have practice still struggle with it. Think of a difficult 3D game and I bet it's a valid joke that the true end boss is the camera.

It's even a thing in our generation - my now ex was pretty stumped playing skyrim. 2d games were no issue.

The super Nintendo had a mouse controller. You could use it to swat fly's in Mario Paint https://youtu.be/L9oJRsw_Abs

Imagine if people kept having to port their games to Dreamcast with its single-stick controllers. We dodged a bullet when that console failed.

I too only play with inverted viewing. My friends hate it lol

I've been trying to play it on switch and it's basically impossible with 2 sticks. Also it's really jarring after a few hundred hours in breath of the wild.

1.2 solitaire controls. The other fools using C to aim ate my dust.

I do that, but use the d-pad for the righty stick.

You whippersnapper!

God, it's so...pure.

I broke so many of those. The kids today just do not know. Hated those fuken things.

nahh i remember the struggle going from armored core with the shoulder buttons to the 2nd joystick. it was real, and the struggle wasn't all the players. the devs really didn't seem to get it.

nothing to do with the n64 other than i was there in the trenches with ya

I remember hating Metroid Prime's controller scheme on the Gamecube. The controls felt so stiff. But I was so in love with the universe and gameplay that I just accepted it, kind of like every Rockstar game.

Now I wish I played it on the Wii.

try the claw grip

Back paddles like the steamdeck or steam controller has are a godsend for any game where you have to run, jump, and shoot at the same time. Or any other combination of actions. I don't think I could go back to not having access to those. I don't remap them for every game but the times I have its made those games so much better.

A lot of games now still have motion control aiming, you just tilt the controller. Sometimes it's off by default though. I typically use the stick for big movements and tilt aiming for zeroing in.

I tried to replay PS1 Tomb Raider and nearly threw the controller away.

I don't know how I did it as a kid.

I gave up on console gaming for the same reason (the last console I owned was a Super Nintendo) but that's because mouse+keyboard is just so superior that using dual-joystick controllers feels like punishment rather than entertainment.

I remember a LOT of people giving up gaming entirely during the transition to 3D because of this. That was when a lot of the people who experienced the arcade era stopped keeping up.

Quake 3 on the dreamcast with M&KB! Spent like 50 bucks to gain a edge! I was even online with it!

Unfortunately I'm trash and people are just really good at Quake.

I was (and still am really) shit with analogue sticks. I got fairly good at playing Quake II on PlayStation with the lookup/lockdown mapped to L1 and R1. Same as the original Quake on PC, never really used +mouselook coming from Doom, just mapped them to buttons near the firing keys.

The dual-stick setup is much more intuitive though in fairness.

Although I do miss interesting control schemes, everything is almost homogenous now and quite boring.

I don't at all. And I cherish the fact that I can rebind old inputs at will with Steam Input + emulators.

I rebinded the controls of Armored Core 1 so it played with modern shooter controls. Made it so much better and intuitive and now I wonder if the only reason I sucked at the game back in the day was because of its archaic control scheme.

You might be interested in the way brothers: a tale of two sons uses their controls. Each stick controls one of the two characters. It’s not exactly groundbreaking, but it certainly is different.

that's just the nostalgia talking, play EYE and you'll go "oh, yeah...that's why we went towards standard control scheme"

Bumper is the smaller top one, because it acts and feels kinda like a car bumper. Trigger is the larger bottom one, because it acts like the trigger of a gun.

"Good luck! You'll need it!"

It bugs me when you see youtubers talking about "how busted the auto-aim is on controller like bro look at this seriously how is this not an aim bot omg like this is seriously like playing with hacks isnhow braindead easy it is to aim on controller" and I want to reach through the screen and slap them because theyre basically complaining about wheelchair ramps making it too easy to climb the stairs.