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[–] 214 points 1 year ago (40 children)

If enough public toilets were actually provided, this would not be a problem that needs solving.

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  • [–] 128 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    yeah this is actually about hating the homeless, not about making a city cleaner

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    While generally a promising approach, in the case of St Pauli, Hamburg it might be different. Yes there are lots of homeless people, but there are also LOTS of randoms going there to get drunk and be on their worst behavior. Its part of the spirit of that place.

    Anyways "not by authority" is bs imo. An electrical fence is also "direct feedback", or razor barbed wire and you wouldn't dare calling those non-authority

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Right I'm sure the people who piss in our gateway, mysteriously every Friday and Saturday while bellowing at each other, are homeless rather than smashed out of their tiny troglodyte minds.

    Hamburg has a vast number of tourists, which makes it even worse, because tourists don't have to live in the city they're pissing all over, nor see again the person they flashed because the fumbled pulling up their pants.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    If there was a toilet right there, do you think they would still choose the wall?

    If they would still choose the wall, do you think the paint is going to deter them?

    How will people even know that the paint is piss-splashing paint?

    Will people not immediately change their piss angle as soon as they get splash back?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If there was a toilet right there, do you think they would still choose the wall?

    Have you ever been around drunk tourists before? The answer is yes

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You have to keep going down the questions, don’t just stop at the first.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago*

    No, everyone is 12 now (due to willingly brain damaging themselves or being brain damaged against their will by their brain damaged parents, with stuff like atmospheric lead and unmasked COVID spread).

    You have to expect people to believe whatever's convenient for them and argue in bad faith, until each individual proves otherwise

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    They have walked out of a club with a toilet five minutes ago. How frequently do you want there to be toilets?

    The idea is that by putting the risk in people's minds it'll be a deterrent, or else by giving people a natural consequence (and also protecting the wall from being stained with piss) it'll deter repeat offenders.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Keep going down the list of questions, I’ve already accounted for other reasons why this is a dumb idea

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    When they piss on the piss-splashing paint, it splashes them with piss, so they stop. I believe the point is that it sprays back at all angles.

    I'm not claiming it's a magic bullet, but I am claiming that if you think this is about homeless people you are not thinking about drunk people and tourists, who are the genuine target.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m not claiming it’s about homeless people, it just seems like a waste of money to me, and it fails to address the issue of people not having a place to piss.

    The paint is merely hydrophobic, all you have to do is piss at an angle and you’ll be fine. It’s not a piss retroreflector. It’s akin to pissing on a waxed surface.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just a logistical question about how this works , does the pee reflect equally in a hemisphere normal to the surface, or does it reflect off the wall like a normal reflection.

    If it is option 1, how does that work physically? Is the surface multi-faceted? Even with a hydrophobic surface I would still expect a normal reflection.

    I don't really see what's so bad about peeing outdoors so long as it regularly rains, and you're not peeing in a way that will affect others.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know the details, but as soon as you break up the stream it will not reflect cleanly.

    Peeing in a city is always going to affect others - there will be people nearby who don't want to see and hear it, and unless it is raining at that moment, it will leave a mess that affects people. I believe even peeing in the countryside can cause some negative effects due to nitrogen run off.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think it always affects others if you do it in private in a place where people don't walk, and rain can hit it.

    Everything has an effect, especially if lots of people do it. You do not want to pee within 100 ft of a stream if you can help it. It is better to let the pee break up in the soil. The real problem for ecology is the salts in urine. That's why if a dog pees in the same spot every time, plants die.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh, you mean the gross, overcrowded toilet that is typical of clubs? Weird that they didn't want to use that. I wonder why that could be?

    /sarcasm

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    No, just a regular toilet in a public establishment. I don't know anyone who's thinking "this toilet is gross, so I'll piss in the fucking street". I guarantee you noone is wiping down the street with anti bacterial spray.

    Toilets can get busy, yet queuing for one is very normal. Have you noticed that no-one sees the queue and goes on the corner?

    That's because this is caused by drunk people failing to plan ahead and then when caught short not having any inhibitions.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    If people are still peeing in the street there, then it's not enough.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't understand how hard that is to understand for some people.

    I have never met someone who'd rather piss in the streets than in a toilet if given the choice. The answer is always, always, ALWAYS "not enough free, clean, accessible toilets"

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The answer is drunk people.

    I was once walking home with a drunk housemate who pissed in the street a few minutes away from home. Also "clean" does not enter into it. The street is not clean.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A few minutes can make a difference in wet vs dry pants, especially when there's 15 beers inside you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, so the idea that you can have enough toilets to prevent this involves having toilets every few minutes, or every few hundred metres. That's kind of insane. We should try the paint, or deal with the mess.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So to you it is axiomatic that the problem is insufficient toilets. You cannot understand that there are people - usually drunk - who will not use a toilet unless they are already inside it. It is not feasible to blanket a city in toilets sufficiently to eliminate public urination, so maybe a multi-pronged approach including discouraging people from doing so is more sensible.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We've already been doing the later. And how has that been working out?

    You are correct, that I cannot understand something that I've never seen, or even heard of. I've seen shitfaced people stumble into restrooms pretty frequently. I've never seen someone say "I know there is a toilet less than a block from here, but I'd rather piss on the wall!". But I hear the opposite all the time: "Man, I wish I didn't have to piss out here, but the nearest toilet is a mile away".

    It is not feasible to blanket a city in toilets sufficiently to eliminate public urination...

    Citation needed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have been walking home with someone who pissed in the street less than a block (I don't live in the US, we don't have blocks, but it was a couple of minutes) away from home.

    Cmon, use that imagination of yours to go beyond what you have directly experienced.

    Remember too that all drunk people have come from somewhere with a working toilet, because places that serve alcohol have toilets.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe the place was closing. Maybe they didn't need to go at the time. Maybe the toilet didn't work. Maybe they just pee a lot. Guilty as charged.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Stop making excuses. If people are still peeing on the streets they are lazy drunken degenerates.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    i've seen more studies saying the answer is more free toilets that i've seen everyone is just lazy degenerates. in fact. i haven't seen any studies that concluded everyone is just lazy degenerates. maybe i'm reading the wrong studies?

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does that really work? I get the impression that people would go pee on that wall just to see it bounce.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It works. I've seen videos, UK i think, where they used this stuff and then recorded what happens. The urine immediately sprays back at the urinator. They stop because they don't want pee all over their pants and shoes.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Just pee directly on to the floor then.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Anything to not build public washrooms

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The problem is that public toilets need to be indestructible. The one near my home is constantly out of order because some asshole vandalized it. Restaurants, shops and delis only let customers use their restroom - probably for the same reason.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    In Montréal all our major parks have washroom facilities and if they for some reason don’t there’s still gunna be a port-o-potty nearby. There should definitely be two near the beach but the point still stands that you can definitely have nice things, or at least something stopping the majority of public urination. And hell, I’m sure that we have issues with them here, too, but it’s a small price to pay to have a civilized city so whatever.

    Longer term the city just needs to adopt any of the myriad studied ways homeless and poverty has been reduced in other places which will also reduce the danger to these things getting broken.

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  • Back in my home country they had these washrooms that were basically giant urinals covered by these side walls so they would get hosed down but they were not for women.

    I have seen places in Europe that pull out these portable urinal things and put them all over the entertainment district on Friday nights to prevent drunk dudes pissing all over and it seems to work well

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  • [–] 88 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This is hostile architecture. Build toilets instead.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    They have toilets. People are just wretched.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A lot of Europe charges to use them though, whoch i find weird. Imo they should be funded by public budgets the way libraries, school buses, roads etc are.

    Like, of ya gotta pee, ya gotta pee. If you gotta pee and you don't have any Euros on you, what else are you supposed to fucking do?? Literally what are your options at that point?

    I'm sure some people would do this anyway but I suspect a lot of them can't/won't pay for a public toilet and aren't close enough to a private one. It's a UX issue

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Imo they should be funded by public budgets the way libraries, school buses, roads etc are.

    They are, and many low traffic toilets are completely free.

    However, in high traffic areas, some arguments they tend to give against this:

    • Asking for a small amount of money deters a vandalism because people would only go in there to use the toilet. Not many people would pay to go and trash the place or put some tags in there.
    • It's an easy way to get extra money for maintenance
    • In case of drug users it could help because some of them might already spend all their money on the drugs themselves thus making the small cost bothersome. (Although strong blue lights are a better deterrent because they hide your veins)

    A lot of toilets in Europe in low traffic areas tend to be free. There's also quite some open air urinals in heavy traffic areas that are free but they smell horrible.

    There's also some European countries that allow/tolerate public urination but limit it to non-privately owned natural bushes and require you to do it decently. (Not showing any genitals)

    If you gotta pee and you don’t have any Euros on you, what else are you supposed to fucking do?? Literally what are your options at that point?

    In places where they ask for money you can often plead your case and can enter without paying. Many places also ask for money without actually having somebody present or blocking your entry if you do not. I've seen a lot of little plates with cash just laying there without anybody being present.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Clearly not enough easily accessible toilets for people to not pee on the sides of buildings. If the problem is so big that you're considering designing hydrophobic pisser punisher paint you clearly don't have enough places for people to pee.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've been to a very large capital in Europe recently, there's been a whole three toilets when I needed one, ranging from 15 to 30 minutes away, and the best part is when I got to them, all were inaccessible because they are located inside of the park that closes doors at 18:00 (before that, in fact). The toilets are even marked 24h on the map, very convenient.

    So yeah, even not considering drunk people, there are not nearly enough toilets in a lot of places.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hit it on a 45 degree angle along the horizontal plane and it will bounce onto the shoes of the fella next to you

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe Europe should get some fucking public bathrooms.

    Not looking at you, Switzerland, you're good.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    We have them. Its just that a lot of us are such fucking degenerates that we piss and shit on the toilet seats and in the urinals that no one wants to go fucking near them. Others, have are filled with blue lights, so that all the junkies cant see their veins and shoot up somewhere else.

    Basically, we cant have nice things because some of us are just utter cunts. Some have been put behind a paywall, but people moaned about that as well. Basically, there are solutions, but nobody wants them because "what about the people who dont have money?". And the answer "I guess they dont get to shit in the urinals!" is never a welcome one...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    In The Netherlands, we don't have them, but you can piss at most bars and restaurants. Still the drunk guys choose to urinate at the walls, in the plants, in the bicycles, in the stairways of parking lots. It's gross and annoying.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've heard the blue light thing before, but is it really that much of a thing? When we look for veins, I don't even see color anymore. It's tourniquet, squeeze, fondle your armpit, stab you.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The blue light is a thing. And its not limited to toilets in supermarkets and hospitals. Ive seen them under some bridges as well.

    The issue though, like you said, is that most can find the vein by touch alone. And others are just so desperate, they try anyway. Giving exactly zero fucks about the blue light. Which has led some to question whether he blue lights are a good thing, or a bad idea thats going to eventually harm someone.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Maybe it's because it's still night where I am, maybe it's because I'm on the spectrum, but those blue lights feel like an assault on my senses. I had to scroll it off my screen to type this because it made my eyes hurt. I can't imagine having to deal with that every time I have to pee in public.

    I also can't help but wonder where people go to do their makeup. I don't use makeup, but I often see others using the mirrors to touch up this or that. I can't imagine blue lights are helpful in that regard.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    sure. it's an assault on neurodivergent neurons, but did you ever consider we could make things worse for someone who's already at rock bottom? what do you think we're supposed to do? make narcan readily available and pay social workers enough to where more people are willing to go into the field and take on the mental anguish of trying to make society work? and sure! this course of action would be less expensive than maintaining the torment nexus, but you have to keep in mind, we tried building a different torment nexus that was aesthetically against the torment nexus and ever since building the torment nexus we've only been able to understand the world in binaries.

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  • [+] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Paint the streets too. Checkmate, pee

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    paint every surface in Hamburg

    the piss is deflected off of everything it touches, gradually gaining velocity from the repeated impacts

    the city becomes a piss particle accelerator

    destructive beams of piss plasma begin erupting out of the outskirts of the city

    suburban towns like Neu Wulmstorf get fucking obliterated

    the Danes start complaining that northern winds are bringing a singed ammonia smell

    checkmate, betrunkene Idioten

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mooie chemicals to leak onto the environment. This is really a pfas 2.0 waiting to happen

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    This is another lie.

    Beware of cartoon drawings promising big things. Because if they can't show you the thing, it doesn't exist.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    It's not that Hamburg doesn't have public toilets, but Hamburg is known for the "Reeperbahn" - a street lined with bars (I think the American equivalent to it would be something like Bourbon Street in New Orleans?). People go there to get wasted off their asses and no matter how many public restrooms you put up there, they will piss wherever.

    (There's also an amazing documentary series about the Supermarket on that street and the characters that visit it)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The streets shall run yellow... WITH JUSTICE!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or just yellow, as everyone takes a big step back and pisses directly on to the ground.... Now paint the ground, and we can all have a laugh every time it rains lol.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is what we do instead of creating a better world.

    We engineer hydrophobic paint to stop people from peeing on a wall...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'd argue that keeping piss off of walls is making the world a better place, no? Especially in a high traffic area in dense European cities, the smell can be quite strong

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Couldn't they just... have some (more) public toilets, or have any existing public toilets open for more hours?

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  • But you do know that you can just not piss up against a wall, and just piss on the ground.. right? Or better yet, make a game of it, and piss on the wall at different angles. You and your mates playing piss wars against the wall and trying to avoid each other splashback would be of interest to a lot of pissheads on the way home after finishing the kabab.

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  • [+] 17 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    Only way it could truly work is if it were retroreflective.

    And that main reason people publicly urinate is because there aren't any toilets.

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  • So the homeless people peeing on the streets will now definitely smell like piss wherever they go, instead of just maybe smelling like piss? Good times.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I'll piss right on the ground, fuck it. Der Strom lässt sich nicht aufhalten!

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