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ANTI PEE PAINT (mander.xyz)
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[–] 214 points 1 year ago (40 children)

If enough public toilets were actually provided, this would not be a problem that needs solving.

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  • [–] 128 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    yeah this is actually about hating the homeless, not about making a city cleaner

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    While generally a promising approach, in the case of St Pauli, Hamburg it might be different. Yes there are lots of homeless people, but there are also LOTS of randoms going there to get drunk and be on their worst behavior. Its part of the spirit of that place.

    Anyways "not by authority" is bs imo. An electrical fence is also "direct feedback", or razor barbed wire and you wouldn't dare calling those non-authority

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Right I'm sure the people who piss in our gateway, mysteriously every Friday and Saturday while bellowing at each other, are homeless rather than smashed out of their tiny troglodyte minds.

    Hamburg has a vast number of tourists, which makes it even worse, because tourists don't have to live in the city they're pissing all over, nor see again the person they flashed because the fumbled pulling up their pants.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    If there was a toilet right there, do you think they would still choose the wall?

    If they would still choose the wall, do you think the paint is going to deter them?

    How will people even know that the paint is piss-splashing paint?

    Will people not immediately change their piss angle as soon as they get splash back?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If there was a toilet right there, do you think they would still choose the wall?

    Have you ever been around drunk tourists before? The answer is yes

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You have to keep going down the questions, don’t just stop at the first.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago*

    No, everyone is 12 now (due to willingly brain damaging themselves or being brain damaged against their will by their brain damaged parents, with stuff like atmospheric lead and unmasked COVID spread).

    You have to expect people to believe whatever's convenient for them and argue in bad faith, until each individual proves otherwise

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    They have walked out of a club with a toilet five minutes ago. How frequently do you want there to be toilets?

    The idea is that by putting the risk in people's minds it'll be a deterrent, or else by giving people a natural consequence (and also protecting the wall from being stained with piss) it'll deter repeat offenders.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Keep going down the list of questions, I’ve already accounted for other reasons why this is a dumb idea

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    When they piss on the piss-splashing paint, it splashes them with piss, so they stop. I believe the point is that it sprays back at all angles.

    I'm not claiming it's a magic bullet, but I am claiming that if you think this is about homeless people you are not thinking about drunk people and tourists, who are the genuine target.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I’m not claiming it’s about homeless people, it just seems like a waste of money to me, and it fails to address the issue of people not having a place to piss.

    The paint is merely hydrophobic, all you have to do is piss at an angle and you’ll be fine. It’s not a piss retroreflector. It’s akin to pissing on a waxed surface.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just a logistical question about how this works , does the pee reflect equally in a hemisphere normal to the surface, or does it reflect off the wall like a normal reflection.

    If it is option 1, how does that work physically? Is the surface multi-faceted? Even with a hydrophobic surface I would still expect a normal reflection.

    I don't really see what's so bad about peeing outdoors so long as it regularly rains, and you're not peeing in a way that will affect others.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know the details, but as soon as you break up the stream it will not reflect cleanly.

    Peeing in a city is always going to affect others - there will be people nearby who don't want to see and hear it, and unless it is raining at that moment, it will leave a mess that affects people. I believe even peeing in the countryside can cause some negative effects due to nitrogen run off.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think it always affects others if you do it in private in a place where people don't walk, and rain can hit it.

    Everything has an effect, especially if lots of people do it. You do not want to pee within 100 ft of a stream if you can help it. It is better to let the pee break up in the soil. The real problem for ecology is the salts in urine. That's why if a dog pees in the same spot every time, plants die.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Oh, you mean the gross, overcrowded toilet that is typical of clubs? Weird that they didn't want to use that. I wonder why that could be?

    /sarcasm

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    No, just a regular toilet in a public establishment. I don't know anyone who's thinking "this toilet is gross, so I'll piss in the fucking street". I guarantee you noone is wiping down the street with anti bacterial spray.

    Toilets can get busy, yet queuing for one is very normal. Have you noticed that no-one sees the queue and goes on the corner?

    That's because this is caused by drunk people failing to plan ahead and then when caught short not having any inhibitions.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (16 children)
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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    If people are still peeing in the street there, then it's not enough.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't understand how hard that is to understand for some people.

    I have never met someone who'd rather piss in the streets than in a toilet if given the choice. The answer is always, always, ALWAYS "not enough free, clean, accessible toilets"

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The answer is drunk people.

    I was once walking home with a drunk housemate who pissed in the street a few minutes away from home. Also "clean" does not enter into it. The street is not clean.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A few minutes can make a difference in wet vs dry pants, especially when there's 15 beers inside you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, so the idea that you can have enough toilets to prevent this involves having toilets every few minutes, or every few hundred metres. That's kind of insane. We should try the paint, or deal with the mess.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So to you it is axiomatic that the problem is insufficient toilets. You cannot understand that there are people - usually drunk - who will not use a toilet unless they are already inside it. It is not feasible to blanket a city in toilets sufficiently to eliminate public urination, so maybe a multi-pronged approach including discouraging people from doing so is more sensible.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We've already been doing the later. And how has that been working out?

    You are correct, that I cannot understand something that I've never seen, or even heard of. I've seen shitfaced people stumble into restrooms pretty frequently. I've never seen someone say "I know there is a toilet less than a block from here, but I'd rather piss on the wall!". But I hear the opposite all the time: "Man, I wish I didn't have to piss out here, but the nearest toilet is a mile away".

    It is not feasible to blanket a city in toilets sufficiently to eliminate public urination...

    Citation needed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have been walking home with someone who pissed in the street less than a block (I don't live in the US, we don't have blocks, but it was a couple of minutes) away from home.

    Cmon, use that imagination of yours to go beyond what you have directly experienced.

    Remember too that all drunk people have come from somewhere with a working toilet, because places that serve alcohol have toilets.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe the place was closing. Maybe they didn't need to go at the time. Maybe the toilet didn't work. Maybe they just pee a lot. Guilty as charged.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Stop making excuses. If people are still peeing on the streets they are lazy drunken degenerates.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    i've seen more studies saying the answer is more free toilets that i've seen everyone is just lazy degenerates. in fact. i haven't seen any studies that concluded everyone is just lazy degenerates. maybe i'm reading the wrong studies?

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