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[–] 29 points 10 months ago (15 children)

If there's advanced calculus, there's presumably also regular calculus, so at what point does calculus start to be advanced?

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    For me, the leap to multivariate calculus gave me a lot of trouble.

    Differential equations was doable but no longer fun for me, either.

    It was a combination of multivariate calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations where I just wasn't having fun with math anymore. Those subjects represented the end of pure math education for me, and later engineering classes requiring knowledge in those were also not a ton of fun. Went from a self-described math and science guy to just...not describing myself in that way anymore.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    Honestly the standard curriculum was fine. It was when you got into trying to apply those skills to deciphering academic literature in a meaningful way as part of a broader career that things got tricky.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Is it just that it becomes so difficult/technical at that point?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    At a certain point my pattern recognition skills reached their limit to where learning each new concept was still the same, but I had a lot more trouble organically seeing and identifying when a particular technique was useful for a particular type of problem. Which is something that happens to a lot of different people at different stages of their math education, just happens to different people at different points.

    And maybe I could've stuck with it, or used it enough to where I eventually got it easily the way I had done with all math topics before that, but I ended up steering the rest of my engineering education into topics that weren't as heavy on that type of math. More programming and logic and microcontrollers, less electromagnetics and radio signals.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    The start of calculus is relatively easy and intuitive, ive heard there are some schools that teach the basics of it to children at the same time they normally learn algebra.

    Then theres the real bastard calculus that can and will make grown adults cry.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    When there is more letters than numbers. When the letters change to weird shapes (integral). When there are multiple successive brackets. I dunno, I am not a mathematician.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I can think of a few potential cut offs, taking differential calculus to be basic.

    Integral calculus. Multivariate calculus. Differential equations. Epsilon-Lamba calculus.

    But that's just my opinion.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    From my experience, books titled "advanced calculus" cover the fundamentals in a lot more detail, with focus on δ-ε proofs. Usually, "advanced calculus" comes between elementary calculus (Calc 1-3 in a US institution) and real analysis.

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  • [–] 55 points 10 months ago

    It me. I love science but I’m definitely a YouTube learner and terrible at calc.

    It’s all so fascinating though! Keep it up scientists!

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    why is the anglophone sphere calling every slightly complex phenomenon science? science is a method, AFAIK, that produces reliable knowledge over time.

    for example how is the sun itself science? sure, there's knowledge to be made about composition, dynamics etc., but when this knowledge gets widely shared without the goal of expanding existing knowledge for the goal of education or entertainment, hasn't this long left the field of science?

    for science, why aren't you saying you love edutainment?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    I have a similar issue with the word research. Do your own research - wtf. Research is either standing in the lab and actually experimenting, or conducting (clinical) studies, or at the very least an extensive literature research that even for a paper takes days (more like weeks and months) and a lot of knowledge on the field as well as methods for literature research in this sphere to be conducted properly. I absolutely don't want you to do your own research about my field of study. You probably have a job and don't want to go to university for 6 years to understand my niche.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    At school, topics are divided into Arts, Science and Humanities. The majority of Bachelor’s degrees are titled Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science.

    Using the word “Science” colloquially to describe anything that isn’t the Arts or Humanities is entirely consistent.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    German has Geistes- (Spirit/Mind) Sciences and Natural Sciences.

    I don't see how the imprecision of calling it simply Science is valid though, given that it's just a lukewarm repost of the age old quantitative vs qualitative research war.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Math is the language of the universe. Unfortunately I'm dyslexic.

    I can understand complicated molecular interactions but throw numbers in my face and I'm the dumbest person in the room.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Dyscalculia is the word you're looking for

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They just like looking at sciences tits. To be honest so do I

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  • [+] 112 points 10 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Watching races becomes way better if one plays some sim racing games and gets into adjusting the car for the track. Racing is a rare sport that one can somewhat experience themselves without athletic training.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    And they're saying that's you.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Well the meme is still stupid. :) Basically trying to say that only people who studied science are qualified to say they like science.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Maybe they're trying to say that science (at least, Phys) without advanced calculus is "just" outreach or popularization. And they're right, even if your sensibility can't accept it.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Does an F1 driver need to understand and utilize advanced calculus on the track to do well? I feel that concepts like grip/slip, aero, centripetal force, and weight transfer are intimately linked to an intuition for physics, even if they aren't being understood at a calculus-requiring level by the driver.

    Yet, I would struggle to call that situation "outreach" or "popularizarion." I would still consider the driver's understanding of physics as tangential to science.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    IMO you need basic calculus to understand the laws of physics. Like at least to understand that the derivative is the rate of change, the integral is the area under the curve, the fundamental theorem(s) of calculus, and what limits are. You don't necessarily need to do δ-ε proofs, but at least the qualitative stuff is worth teaching.

    I took algebra-based physics for my music degree and then calculus-based physics for my engineering degree. Algebra-based physics explained basically nothing for me and had zero impact on my understanding of the world. Calculus-based physics will stick with me forever.

    Like I'm with you that outreach is important and should not be dismissed, but I really don't see the utility of algebra-based physics.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    A F1 driver is not a scientist. And no, you're wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I know they're not a scientist. But to say they have no grasp or interest in science would also be wrong, so I think the answer lies somewhere in the gray area, and not this black and white perspective presented in OP.

    You can be enthusiastic and have a simplified-but-robust understanding of some kinds of science, that doesn't make you less of an enjoyer. But there are certainly people who only understand at a surface level, yet pretend to be immersed in the material and demand to be treated like experts.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I said I love science, not that I know it or can practice it, they're different things.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Science is a process, and it's really simple:

    1. Form a hypothesis (make a statement of what you want to test, ensure it is testable; if it's not testable it's not amenable to science)
    2. Come up with how to test the hypothesis
    3. Test the hypothesis
    4. Publish the results and details

    There are technical bits that make that easier, but the big parts are keeping records of what you've done and what the results were

    Some hypotheses are expensive to test, best leave those to the well funded pros

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Well what kind of hentai is scientific? 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I’m sure there’s something out there. Rule 34 and all that.

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  • [–] 75 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    We're gatekeeping science now?

    This is just the equivalent of "oh you like , name all their albums". It's dumb and you don't need to be an expert to appreciate something.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    there should be a gate keep barrier. there is a big difference between a scientist with a degree who works in science, and a science enthusiast.

    there's nothing wrong in the second one, I just think we shouldn't mix em too much, less we end up with "expert" without qualifications (were already here).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Meaningless distinction. There are many fields of science an expert in one is not an expert in others.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Oh you like Space?

    Name every celestial body.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    I love the math that I understand XD

    The math subjects that require a lot of prerequisite knowledge are usually what I avoid. Without a project in mind, it becomes a huge waste of time to try to understand.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I like the calculus part, actually. The fact that we can make equations for EVERYTHING and simplify the abstract into something consumable, like using the points and curvature of a wing to estimate drag coefficient in a couple lines of math instead of relying solely on countless vectors and fluid dynamics.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Do we have an /imverysmart yet?

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago

    4chan-tier childish elitism in Facebook-tier packaging 👍

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    sigh Great, another format I have to wait for other apps to support if I want to share the memes. And webp was finally getting to the point where it wasn’t annoying the fuck out of me.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 10 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    When I try to use the built-in share feature, it’s sharing it as a .avif file. Wonder if it’s specific to the app I’m using (Voyager). Something I’ve only noticed happening recently.

    Either way, good content at least!

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It shows avif in browser too

    Wonder why that happened tho? Is it my instance or voyager (posted using it)? Because the image locally was jpg

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Some homeservers convert uploaded images automatically to save space iirc

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Could be a Lemmy.Zip thing, then. Would be nice if the people who run instances would also consider how their personal hosting choices effect sharing across the wider internet. I get us tech nerds have our respective preferences for obscure formats for various reasons, but we really should be playing somewhat nicely with other environments if we want to attract users.

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  • [+] 29 points 10 months ago (10 children)
  • [+] -13 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Physics, engineering, statistics, economics, and mathematically modeling in general aren't science? Big claim there, bud.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Calculus is a tool used in science, absolutely. But calculus itself is not science, in the same way that a chisel is not woodworking.

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Ah, ok. Then math isn't science, it's just a tool for physics, computer science, and such. Also physics isn't science, it's just a tool for engineering and biology. Biology and chemistry aren't sciences, they're just tools for medicine and agriculture.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Engineering is not science. It uses science.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Basically me when I quit Computer Science for Film & TV

    I did a year then realized I'd rather make the next Interstellar than code for NASA

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    Unfortunately, it's not just Kursgesagt Hentai.

    It only Kursgesagt and Rick and Morty Hentai.

    Actually, curiosity got the better of me and after taking a brief look, there is Kursgesagt Hentai. I just really don't want to interact with it anymore than I already have.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Quoting veritasium and other YouTubers with some hyper specific never actually seen examples and declaring the entire field fraudulent.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah let's get rid of science communication altogether

    I am sure everything will be just fine

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do Scott Manely videos count as science, or science?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Im not familiar with kurzegesagt or Rick and Morty hentai but I'm pretty sure that was the expression on my face for most of the runtime of Interstellar

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's because your frigid heart doesn't understand the science of looooove

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    It's true. Friends call me Snow Miser, whatever I touch turns to snow in my clutch. Interstellar was still awful though lol. I might have enjoyed it like any other scifi if it wasn't specifically advertised as a scientifically accurate portrayal of space travel, but that is how it was advertised and accurate it was not

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Also, everyone who's claiming they love science should read both Kuhn and Feyerabend. Kinda eye-opening shit

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    As long as I don't have to deal with matrices, I'm cool.

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