If there's advanced calculus, there's presumably also regular calculus, so at what point does calculus start to be advanced?
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It me. I love science but I’m definitely a YouTube learner and terrible at calc.
It’s all so fascinating though! Keep it up scientists!
why is the anglophone sphere calling every slightly complex phenomenon science? science is a method, AFAIK, that produces reliable knowledge over time.
for example how is the sun itself science? sure, there's knowledge to be made about composition, dynamics etc., but when this knowledge gets widely shared without the goal of expanding existing knowledge for the goal of education or entertainment, hasn't this long left the field of science?
for science, why aren't you saying you love edutainment?
I have a similar issue with the word research. Do your own research - wtf. Research is either standing in the lab and actually experimenting, or conducting (clinical) studies, or at the very least an extensive literature research that even for a paper takes days (more like weeks and months) and a lot of knowledge on the field as well as methods for literature research in this sphere to be conducted properly. I absolutely don't want you to do your own research about my field of study. You probably have a job and don't want to go to university for 6 years to understand my niche.
At school, topics are divided into Arts, Science and Humanities. The majority of Bachelor’s degrees are titled Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science.
Using the word “Science” colloquially to describe anything that isn’t the Arts or Humanities is entirely consistent.
Math is the language of the universe. Unfortunately I'm dyslexic.
I can understand complicated molecular interactions but throw numbers in my face and I'm the dumbest person in the room.
Dyscalculia is the word you're looking for
They just like looking at sciences tits. To be honest so do I
Don't sell yourself short.
If you can ride a bicycle, you can probably handle a tricycle.
Watching races becomes way better if one plays some sim racing games and gets into adjusting the car for the track. Racing is a rare sport that one can somewhat experience themselves without athletic training.
OP has a point. Star Wars is not science fiction, it's religious fantasy.
It's definitely not engineering otherwise they wouldn't use 12 ft thick catwalks in space.
And they're saying that's you.
Well the meme is still stupid. :) Basically trying to say that only people who studied science are qualified to say they like science.
Their face doesn't go 🫤 at the sight of hard math & theory? The statement's that it does.
Maybe they're trying to say that science (at least, Phys) without advanced calculus is "just" outreach or popularization. And they're right, even if your sensibility can't accept it.
Does an F1 driver need to understand and utilize advanced calculus on the track to do well? I feel that concepts like grip/slip, aero, centripetal force, and weight transfer are intimately linked to an intuition for physics, even if they aren't being understood at a calculus-requiring level by the driver.
Yet, I would struggle to call that situation "outreach" or "popularizarion." I would still consider the driver's understanding of physics as tangential to science.
IMO you need basic calculus to understand the laws of physics. Like at least to understand that the derivative is the rate of change, the integral is the area under the curve, the fundamental theorem(s) of calculus, and what limits are. You don't necessarily need to do δ-ε proofs, but at least the qualitative stuff is worth teaching.
I took algebra-based physics for my music degree and then calculus-based physics for my engineering degree. Algebra-based physics explained basically nothing for me and had zero impact on my understanding of the world. Calculus-based physics will stick with me forever.
Like I'm with you that outreach is important and should not be dismissed, but I really don't see the utility of algebra-based physics.
A F1 driver is not a scientist. And no, you're wrong.
I know they're not a scientist. But to say they have no grasp or interest in science would also be wrong, so I think the answer lies somewhere in the gray area, and not this black and white perspective presented in OP.
You can be enthusiastic and have a simplified-but-robust understanding of some kinds of science, that doesn't make you less of an enjoyer. But there are certainly people who only understand at a surface level, yet pretend to be immersed in the material and demand to be treated like experts.
I said I love science, not that I know it or can practice it, they're different things.
Science is a process, and it's really simple:
- Form a hypothesis (make a statement of what you want to test, ensure it is testable; if it's not testable it's not amenable to science)
- Come up with how to test the hypothesis
- Test the hypothesis
- Publish the results and details
There are technical bits that make that easier, but the big parts are keeping records of what you've done and what the results were
Some hypotheses are expensive to test, best leave those to the well funded pros
Well what kind of hentai is scientific? 🤷♂️
I’m sure there’s something out there. Rule 34 and all that.
There's ISS rule 34 content, after all.
We're gatekeeping science now?
This is just the equivalent of "oh you like , name all their albums". It's dumb and you don't need to be an expert to appreciate something.
there should be a gate keep barrier. there is a big difference between a scientist with a degree who works in science, and a science enthusiast.
there's nothing wrong in the second one, I just think we shouldn't mix em too much, less we end up with "expert" without qualifications (were already here).
What's wrong with an amateur publishing a (probably low quality) paper? It's not going to waste many people's time, and it's not common
Meaningless distinction. There are many fields of science an expert in one is not an expert in others.
Oh you like Space?
Name every celestial body.
I love the math that I understand XD
The math subjects that require a lot of prerequisite knowledge are usually what I avoid. Without a project in mind, it becomes a huge waste of time to try to understand.
I like the calculus part, actually. The fact that we can make equations for EVERYTHING and simplify the abstract into something consumable, like using the points and curvature of a wing to estimate drag coefficient in a couple lines of math instead of relying solely on countless vectors and fluid dynamics.
Do we have an /imverysmart yet?
I am sad that you have not yet received a community name. I'll search and report back
Ed. Yes there is, but it's at .ml
It's not very popular
sigh Great, another format I have to wait for other apps to support if I want to share the memes. And webp was finally getting to the point where it wasn’t annoying the fuck out of me.
? This is just jpg
When I try to use the built-in share feature, it’s sharing it as a .avif file. Wonder if it’s specific to the app I’m using (Voyager). Something I’ve only noticed happening recently.
Either way, good content at least!
It shows avif in browser too
Wonder why that happened tho? Is it my instance or voyager (posted using it)? Because the image locally was jpg
Tested uploading an image reply in browser and Voyager, and they both seem to upload in webp. Perhaps a lemmy.zip instance thing?
Some homeservers convert uploaded images automatically to save space iirc
Could be a Lemmy.Zip thing, then. Would be nice if the people who run instances would also consider how their personal hosting choices effect sharing across the wider internet. I get us tech nerds have our respective preferences for obscure formats for various reasons, but we really should be playing somewhat nicely with other environments if we want to attract users.
Physics, engineering, statistics, economics, and mathematically modeling in general aren't science? Big claim there, bud.
Calculus is a tool used in science, absolutely. But calculus itself is not science, in the same way that a chisel is not woodworking.
Ah, ok. Then math isn't science, it's just a tool for physics, computer science, and such. Also physics isn't science, it's just a tool for engineering and biology. Biology and chemistry aren't sciences, they're just tools for medicine and agriculture.
Well it's a tool, and a science in itself too, I guess, if you go into advanced fronter mathematics
Engineering is not science. It uses science.
Basically me when I quit Computer Science for Film & TV
I did a year then realized I'd rather make the next Interstellar than code for NASA
Kursgesagt Hentai? Where?
Unfortunately, it's not just Kursgesagt Hentai.
It only Kursgesagt and Rick and Morty Hentai.
Actually, curiosity got the better of me and after taking a brief look, there is Kursgesagt Hentai. I just really don't want to interact with it anymore than I already have.
Quoting veritasium and other YouTubers with some hyper specific never actually seen examples and declaring the entire field fraudulent.
Yeah let's get rid of science communication altogether
I am sure everything will be just fine
Do Scott Manely videos count as science, or science?
Im not familiar with kurzegesagt or Rick and Morty hentai but I'm pretty sure that was the expression on my face for most of the runtime of Interstellar
That's because your frigid heart doesn't understand the science of looooove
It's true. Friends call me Snow Miser, whatever I touch turns to snow in my clutch. Interstellar was still awful though lol. I might have enjoyed it like any other scifi if it wasn't specifically advertised as a scientifically accurate portrayal of space travel, but that is how it was advertised and accurate it was not
Also, everyone who's claiming they love science should read both Kuhn and Feyerabend. Kinda eye-opening shit


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