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[–] 158 points 11 months ago (14 children)

Even if penicillin, it tastes awful, and if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?

I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.

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  • [–] 95 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I guess it could help kill your gut bacteria.

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  • [–] 85 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 87 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?

    No, it has virtually no chance to help you, and most probably can only hurt you.

    First, it kills indiscriminately. If you're not sick, what are you killing? Your own healthy gut flora. That's what.

    Second, what if you are slightly ill? Guess what? It still probably won't help. Doctors don't just throw penicillin at you in random amounts. They prescribe a specific dose that has been shown to be effective. Having one untested dose of unknown quantity isn't going to help.

    Third, when you're given antibiotics, you are told to take it over a number of days, and to take the entire amount, even if you feel better. They do this for several reasons, but one of the reasons is that, if you only kill some of the bacteria, but not enough of them, the remaining bacteria have a small chance to evolve to become resistant to antibiotics. By taking antibiotics without the guidance of a doctor, you have a small chance of making yourself even more ill with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. I want to emphasize that this is a very small chance, but unlikely things will happen when given enough chances.

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  • [+] -10 points 11 months ago (2 children)
    1. Penicillin is useless, and has been for 25 years
    2. The resistance myth from not taking the full regimen of antibiotics was disproven years ago. Doctors still quote this because they would rather read Mercedes brochures than manuscripts.
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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    This bullshit is the reason we can't have nice things, and the reason staph infections are becoming antibiotic resistant. Well this dumb shit and industrial meat farming and literally spraying antibiotics on plants but I digress.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I ate moldy bread by accident once. Didn't see the side with the mold until after I made the sandwich, I was also high. That one time and tiny amount was one of the most horrible things I've put in my mouth. Spit it out immediately and had PTSD about moldy bread ever since. If I see a tiny bit forming that shit is not going near my mouth, the whole bag is gone.

    Really don't understand how anyone could "eat around it" or even eat other slices in the pack. Bread is really cheap, just throw it away. Don't play Russian roulette with foods.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    the whole bag is gone

    Well, that's how it's supposed to be done. Since mold is a fungus, what shows up on the surface is the reproductive parts that spawn spores, meaning the rest of the bread probably has mold too.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.

    I’ve accidentally eaten various kinds of mold several dozen times in my life, and in some cases I could barely tell. Slightly dirt flavor. That’s the dangerous mold.

    I was also in my 30s when I found out some people don’t know what mildew smells like. They know the sour smell in clothes, but don’t realize it’s mildew. My partner was one such person, and they -still- don’t care but that smell drives me bonkers.

    Unrelated because I didn’t eat them, but it reminded me of the time I made cookies (specifically Russian tea cookies, aka snowballs) and put them directly in the freezer without letting them dry out, and it was humid enough in the container that months later when I went to eat one, they had tiny adorable mushrooms on them.

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  • [–] 123 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Reminder that, per Wikipedia, aflatoxins - the poisons in molds - "are among the most carcinogenic substances known."
    Furthermore, aflatoxin B1 can permeate through the skin and its LD50 can be as low as 300 µg/kg.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    not all moulds though, it should be noted

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  • [–] 53 points 11 months ago (35 children)

    But cutting around the mold on cheese is fine, right? Right???

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  • [–] 92 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Hard cheeses, yes, if you cut well around it. Soft cheeses, not so much. This, of course, only applies to mold that the cheese grew after you bought it, and not any from its curing. How do you tell the difference? Devilish rhinoceros.

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  • [–] 59 points 11 months ago (27 children)

    Just eat American cheese. That doesn’t mold cause it’s plastic.

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  • [–] 67 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    American Cheese is a processed mix of cheeses like Colby and Cheddar, and is great.

    Kraft American "Cheese Product" is the square sliced "plastic" one people think of.

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I didn’t realize. I was definitely thinking of the cheese product. I would make my kids incredible grilled cheese sandwiches with shredded cheese where it falls off the edge and crisps up on the grill. My kids told me they just wanted kraft cheese slices.

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  • [+] -15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Kraft American Singles is normal american cheese. All american cheese is "cheese product" because its solidified cheese sauce, not a cheese itself.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Let me put it this way: when I get american cheese at my local deli (I like the white) it is delicious and much like eating any other deli cheese. When I get Kraft slices, they are like eating solidified vegetable oil, with weird bubbles and texture, individually wrapped in plastic. Theres a difference.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    You're getting the labels mixed up.

    As a labeling requirement under U.S. law, anything labeled "American Cheese" must be pasteurized process cheese made from some combination of cheddar, colby, washed curd cheese, or granular cheese, which the law also defines pretty strictly. It must be made from these cheeses, heated and emulsified with an emulsifying salt (usually sodium citrate).

    American cheese is allowed to have some optional ingredients and still be labeled American Cheese:

    • Food safe acid (as long as pH stays above 5.3)
    • Cream or milkfat, such that this added fat can account for up to 5% of the weight of the finished product.
    • Water (but the total moisture content of the resulting product must still be within the other limits in the regulation)
    • Salt
    • Artificial coloring
    • Spices or flavoring that do not simulate the flavors of cheeses
    • Mold inhibitors from sorbate up to 0.2%, or from proprionate up to 0.3%
    • Lechitin, if sold in slices

    You can add milk, cream, buttermilk, whey, or certain other dairy products up to 49% of the finished product, but then you'd have to call it "Pasteurized American Process Cheese Food" instead of just American Cheese.

    American cheese is made from almost entirely cheese ingredients. The individual slices being sold at the store, though, vary by brand on whether they're even trying to be American Cheese (or whether they're some kind of lesser "cheese food" or even lesser "cheese spread" or even lesser "cheese product")

    Regular Kraft singles aren't American Cheese. Look at the label. They're "cheese product." Even the Deli Deluxe line has taken a hit in quality in recent years, even if they are labeled Cheese.

    Go with other brands that actually put together a decent tasting American Cheese, and check the label to make sure it's made with 100% cheese instead of 51% cheese (or less).

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I also suspect that Doritos dipping cheese is closer to a fossil fuel than a dairy product. I still eat it though.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Doritos dipping cheese? Is this a thing?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    So weird. They don’t have this in America. I wonder if this is anything like Tostitos cheese dip.

    https://www.tostitos.com/products/tostitos-salsa-con-queso-2

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    The fact remains that nothing beats bologna and plastic cheese on wonder bread. (mustard/mayo/whatever)

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    As a kid I used to put plastic cheese in between 2 slices of bologna and microwave for like 30 seconds. Then eat on a sandwich. I was thriving.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It depends on the cheese, sometime the mold is the cheese.

    Like Roquefort, it literally use moldy bread as a starter.

    The process of making Roquefort starts by adding mold on rye bread, let the mold develop before blending the bread and mixing it into the raw milk.

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  • [–] 50 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Okay, but how many times did he not keel over?

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago

    If you can see mold on part of bread that's wrapped up, that means there's probably microscopic growth that's already spread past the part you see to other sections. Cutting the big part won't help you. The whole thing needs to go, it's contaminated.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    That's life living with a human garbage disposal. They will eat anything. They'll acknowledge the five second rule only in so much as it's their inside joke when they eat a chunk of cake that fell on the floor at least 20 minutes earlier and miraculously escaped the canine detection system. It's bizarre having to justify throwing away 30 cents worth of cookies that were molded because "I would have still eaten them just not the moldy parts." but that and similar conversations are being had regularly.

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  • [–] 70 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    So I can't actually find anything from a quick search that tells me what "bread poisoning" is. Searches show results for both moldy bread as well as ergotism. Just about every source on the Internet tells me that eating a bunch of moldy bread should just give you a bad case of shits or vomits. But if someone is immunocompromised or has gut issues it could be worse.

    But if this was ergot poisoning that's different and doesn't have much to do with ordinary bread mold.

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    [–] 34 points 11 months ago (18 children)

    Oh, I've been cutting the visible mold off for years. Same applies to things like jam (jelly). Spoon out the mouldy bit, then crack on.

    Should I be ded?

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  • [–] 59 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You actually died 6 years ago, this is purgatory.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Shit that actually makes a lot of sense

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Does it?

    The world I'm in, I can practically see the flames licking at my feet......

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    The rule is that if its soft food as bread or jelly, its all compromised and should be thrown. If its hard like cheese, you can cut the mold and consume since the mold probably didn't get that far inside

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I thought that jams were so sugary it was probably fine?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If there is visible mold on a part of a surface, then it's reasonable to assume that a much larger part of that surface already has mold, it's just not visible yet. Bread is basically a sponge, the surface of a sponge is the entire sponge, so that mold can have spread everywhere in the bread.

    I found this overview which looks right to me: https://www.eatingwell.com/article/91553/4-moldy-foods-you-can-eat-plus-which-foods-to-toss/

    Should you be dead from eating mold? I suspect that it's a lottery with many factors: which types of molds that you have eaten, the quantities, your immune system, ... But keep at it and eventually you might win a price.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    For marmelade / jam / jelly it depends on the sugar contents. I don't know how much it has to be but if it has high enough sugar contents, you can indeed take off the mould generously and eat what is under it. That said - gross! Just don't let foods spoil. Buy what you need and plan ahead a bit.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But jam comes in jars of a minimum size and sometimes it goes mouldy before finishing.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago
    1. Keep it in the fridge
    2. Only use clean spoons (don't let breadcrumbs, butter, saliva touch the jam in the jar)
    3. Immediately close the jar after taking something out.

    -> rarely ever any mold. I keep my jams fresh for months this way.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The key part is that your immune system is used to various mold and parasite infections and you're fine, but if you become immune compromised or old then the same thing you did before can kill you. That's why people who actually get infected with things like water born parasites are usually very old or sick.

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  • [–] 90 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    Food is so weird. Bread becomes toxic waste after 8 minutes of being opened, but there's probably some cheese species that gets fermented up the asshole of a mountain llama for 6 months, being stuffed back in after every bowel movement, and is still edible (if you're into that sort of thing) after 400 years of being left in a dank cave amongst the frothing remains of a rotting gerbil cemetery.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Cheese is weird because someone had to be like, well let's go ahead and store some milk in the stomach of an animal, but also they forgot about it under a chair for 3 months and then, upon finding it, thought, "well let's have a go anyway, despite it changing forms." And then eventually someone realized if you stuck it in certain caves it became delicious. So much human history just in that one food product there.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I think one theory is that it was central Asian horse-riding societies who started carrying milk on horseback, in saddlebags made out of animal bladders. The motion of the riding and  the rennet left in the bladders churned the milk and turned it into cheese.

    I remember also reading on a science magazine's site this possibility that the first cheese made by humans was more of yeast-based preparation, without animal milk, but i can't find the article mentioning that anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't it butter if it's churned?

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    It is but adding renet causes the milk fat to coagulate. Once that is done 90 degrees abpit the right temp for most cheese. The action of it moving it will cause tue curds to be broken down. The problem with this theory is the whey. Part of cheesemaking is removing the curd from the whey to allow the moisture to be removed. In a sealed vessel it cant go anywhere.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    There's a reindeersheep cheese that is considered a delicacy that has actual maggots in it. Another orange cheese that has fucking mites! I don't mind my stinky cheese, but I'm not eating anything moving.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Whilst I don't eat mouldy bread intentionally (as in, it will have happened without me noticing on occasion) what's the actual potentially bad thing that happens if one does? Specifically?

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago

    There are more types of fungus than any other type of life. Lots of them are mostly harmless. Some of them are a little toxic. Some others are very much toxic. Some others will cause allergies, fungal infection, rare metabolic disorders or all together.

    It's the worst kind of lottery, most likely nothing will happen but if something happens it will be pretty uncomfortable. IT IS NOT WORTH IT!

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