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[–] 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When I can’t fall asleep it’s usually because my mind is racing and worrying about things so I just put on a podcast that’s only mildly interesting enough to distract me but not get me fully engaged.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    I do low volume old radio shows, Vincent Price in The Saint puts me down in about 10 minutes, CBS mystery theater can do it in 4. Just interesting enough, usually no big volume shifts and I love the music.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    When I can't sleep I play the "alphabet game" in my head: I pick a random subject. Can be anything really, doesn't have to be something I am an expert in. The other night it was "things associated with either the Commodore 64 or the Amiga". Then I think about a fitting thing for each letter of the alphabet, from A to Z.

    Sounds weird, but it works for me 99% of the time. I actually made it to Z without falling asleep only once in my whole life. In that case you can still pick a new subject and start again at A.

    Keeps your head occupied in a good way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I do this thing recently when I think of a random 1 syllable word, then think of one that goes with it. “Yard - Sale…. Ice - Pick”. I think a similar muscle is being flexed but I don’t get into any kind of narrative.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    Meditation, masturbation and moderation. The last one is the most important, a well habituated bedtime will help you sleep better.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    The tricky part is getting that habituated bed time started. If I dont sleep for 36 or 48 hours I have an easier time to meet a bedtime deadline but if I have anything over 4 hours of sleep, my brain is running at 150% for at least the next 24 hours. I practice good sleep hygiene, get a 3-5 km walk 4 or 5 times and 3 lifting sessions a week but my mind won't stop. I'm physically exhausted 90% of the time yet my brain says "no, you don't need to sleep"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Annecdotally (and ironically because I just woke up from indigestion and cant sleep) I never had good sleep hygene until I took a nightshift job in college over the summers. Having to flip my sleep schedule by staying up somehow snapped my circadian rythym into being good and predictable.

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  • [–] 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    This sounds like over-tiredness honestly

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 22 hours ago (1 child)

    In the sense that I'm pushing myself too hard physically and that prevents me from sleeping?

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  • [–] 2 points 22 hours ago

    I become manic like this and unable to control my thoughts when I'm overtired and have pushed myself too hard in a day or over some period of time. Also happens when I stay up later than normal. I think it happens to a lot of people and they just struggle to notice it. We're probably best off just sleeping at the exact same time each day and that fixes the brain into a routine of calming down at bedtime

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago* (8 children)

    Listening to recorded rain sounds.

    Alternatively: Industrial Thrash Metal.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    There are some online sites in which one can press switches to turn on & off nature sound loops to create a personal mix. I can't seem to find the one I used to use, but here's something adjacent:

    https://mynoise.net/noiseMachines.php

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    l once had an app doing that, but nowadays just use a suitable youtube music stream instead.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Well if it works, it works, n'est ce pas?

    I do however have a penchant for programmable loops. Dunno why I stopped listening to those...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Nice! Trad or stoner doom also does the trick!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    One would think so, but for me, I noticed that it works best with the insanely fast pace.
    My brain desperately tries too follow the rythm but is soon completely overwelmed by the galloping double-base and just gives up trying to pay attention to anything, while the music begins to mentally blend into a sort of highly structured noise, finally covering your thoughts on the way to sleep.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago

    Keeping a good sleep schedule is 95% of the game. The last 5% is masturbation and maybe some audio that does not demand your attention at all.

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    As some others said get one of those "soft storm" or "sea sound" 10 hour tracks (whatever you prefer) and put it.

    Then go to the bed, take a warm shower before if you want, and then start reading this book

    I'll give you 10 minutes maximum, bonus points if English is not your primary language

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Late to the party, have a very good suggestion.

    Some very very short back story. In my younger years I had a lot of issues with anxiety when going to bed. Thinking about things I needed to fix or what tommorow would bring. And I realised that imagining a story or a world and setting specific foundational points, like a framework that a story as an example could be worked from. Then each night building something additional on that framework every night in my mind, keeping the core fixed and every new addition as part of this world or story. I would eventually get less and less added and become relaxed and fall a sleep sooner and sooner.

    Just like a child wanting the same story every night.

    Going back to something known and adding just a little bit or playing with an idea within the set framework is soothing for the mind. Because it familiar.

    Edit: a spelling

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I used to struggle with this. What worked for me was waking at 5am and then being active all day.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I don't know how to fix my circadian rhythm, but when it does decide to work right, it's a happy thing. And then it goes wonky and I'm screwed. heh

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    For me it's a proper fight. I feel like my body prefers 25 or 26 hours cycle so I let it rest on weekends but am punctual all through the week, pushing it and doing the damn best to maintain it

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago

    Mine is naturally more like a 28-32. Deep sleep for like 10-12 hours, be awake for 20 hours. But sometimes wake up fine after like 4-6 hours of sleep, be awake 12-18 hours, or who knows, it varies, but that's common enough to list those two as scenarios. lol. Unpredictable ones, mind.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago

    I read for an hour in bed every night. That gets me very tired and sleepy. People are just in front of screens all damn day and don't know how to turn off.

    If I wake up and can't fall back asleep, I keep melatonin next to me. If I really want to sleep well I'll take 10mg edible ~1 hour before bed.

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  • [–] 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    What I find really, really, helps is jumping on the bed until you hit your head on the ceiling and just pass the fuck out wherever you land.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    The best thing you can do is five hours before going to bed, making sure you get enough exercise and avoid caffeine.

    Other than that, I have a routine of stretching and reading before bed, so usually just doing that puts me out.

    Failing that, I used to have really bad insomnia, and one thing I would remind myself is that even just laying awake in bed is a kind of rest, and even if you don't sleep you can kind of drift off into a reverie here and there.

    Related, I find having something enjoyable to think about as I close my eyes is fun and distracting. For me that's creative stuff like writing stories, designing games, or making game levels in my head.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    games

    have done so much gamedev as I float off into sleep.... and some of it has even survived to get written down the next day lol. my partner made me stop getting up to write things out as it was wrecking both of our sleep cycles

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    One unhealthy but guaranteed to work remedy:

    One or two handles of your favorite liquor.

    Warning: sleep quality will be ass. You won't feel better, but often worse. May induce vomiting, random urination, and depression. May also lead to liver failure or alcohol poisoning. Or death. May cause reliance/addiction to alcohol. Results may vary.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    Two handles? A third of one and my head is absolutely pounding for hours the next day. Two handles sounds like a fairly likely chance you won't wake up.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    I was (and still struggling with it) an alcoholic for a while. 2 handles is a joke amount, yeah I'd normally go for a third or so.

    Still wouldn't recommend it though lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Haha alright. I wish you luck with that struggle. Sometimes I wonder if I have a problem myself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Thank you. If you ever feel like you do, talk to someone about it. Anyone, preferably one you trust.

    Best of luck to you as well, friend

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Are you wolverine? How the hell are you alive??

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Hah! I wish. Adamantium bones would be sick.

    It took years of drinking to fight off insomnia while steadily increasing the amount to reach peak efficacy every time. I almost didn't survive, had a heart attack once. Or something like it, man it was painful.

    But yeah, very much not recommended to anyone. Alcohol is bad, mmk? Lol

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Nah I understand a little bit. I've resorted to the bottle too many times as well but never anywhere near 3 handles, I would be surprised if I ever hit 1 handle as a personal record. We need to get you on some edibles or something my man.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    Oh my man lmao. A third of a handle, not three handles hahaha. I'd definitely be dead. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

    The most I've ever drunk was two handles, but that made me black out and end up in the hospital. Not trying that again.

    I'm on weed now lmao, indicas help a lot. Still, it'd be nice to be able to not rely on anything.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Oh lmfao Ok I see where I went wrong. I thought you were saying 2 handles was easy and you would go for a third handle as opposed to a third of a handle lol. Ya I would love to be able to sleep naturally again some day, cheers to a better future

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Ugh, I can't sleep well after drinking. Husband manages like that, coffee upon waking and a beer in the evening but I have to wake up naturally, coffee after being up a few hours, any drinking before suppertime only so that I can go to bed dead sober. Like I even would have coffee before bed if I feel a migraine coming on, and can sleep, but not with alcohol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    I think that's a good thing lol, alcohol is really bad for you.

    Honestly, it never actually worked for me either. I used to have a couple fingers of whiskey, which doubled in a month just to get the same efficacy. But never once was my sleep any amount of restful. Never felt better after waking up.

    So yeah I hear you, even though I was trapped in it for a while. I'm trying to sleep naturally now, but I'm still really bad at it lol. Though now I use meds.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    Good luck to you. My husband sleeps, but he falls asleep easily at just about any time he wants to, so my guess is his sleep quality isn't great either.

    I work a lot but in a lot of ways have an unusually pampered sort of life - like for the last 2 weeks it's been 9:30 to 20:00 but I wake up when I wake up, bike in and back from work, kids are grown, and husband helpful so I don't have to do much else on weekdays. I know not everyone has the luxury of that natural sleep cycle, but if you can get it, everything else feels better.

    I do love a cocktail on the weekend (obviously) and occasionally wine with supper, though not lately since work goes so late.

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  • [–] 8 points 18 hours ago* (1 child)

    start day dreaming/meditation

    if im restless i will go for a walk around the block.

    glass of water/small snack

    open the window

    socks on/off

    masturbate/get laid.

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  • [–] 1 point 14 hours ago

    I also do most of these. Day dreaming is a hard no as its often why i can't sleep. Wiill walk around inside of my house instead of the block. And never wear socks to bed. Could see random things like that helping for other people though.

    I start by meditating, clearing all thought, and concentrating on how it feels to breathe. I definitely wouldn't stay in bed if its been more than 15-20 mins. Clear sign to me something needs to change for some amount of time. The frustration would start to grow where it would become its own issue I'd have to overcome.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago

    Have a plan for something you'll do if you can't sleep. Nothing exciting, and nothing overly interesting or complicated.. do laundry/fold clothes, organize something, etc.

    And consistently hold yourself to a steady bedtime and routine.

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  • [–] 7 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    I see all the usual advice was already given so I'll skip right to the weird things that work for me: I lie on my belly with my face resting on my palm so that the base of the thumb gently presses on one of the eyes (right hand on the left side of the face or vice versa). The pressure makes me sleepy almost immediately.

    At the same time I think about some detailed but impractical project, anything I'd like to make but cannot immediately start. I think about the tiniest details until I fell tired. The goal is not to try to fall asleep and not to think of anything that would require action/attention, and also not to dwell on anything unpleasant. I usually fall asleep under 5 minutes.

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  • [–] 3 points 19 hours ago

    I think about some detailed but impractical project

    This is my thing too yeah. Even if I don't fall asleep immediately, it keeps my mind occupied on something pleasant for long enough that eventually I'll slip away

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  • [–] 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    Having something to listen to is key for me. It gives a racing ADHD mind something to focus on so that I kinda fall asleep without noticing.

    I have a cheap random brand of sleep mask that has built in bluetooth headphones, and it is great.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago

    I've been able to fall asleep anywhere, anytime for most of my life. Last year or so something flipped. I've taken to listening to audiobooks or history podcasts or lowkey videos of, like, watchmaking or book binding. Have a Bluetooth thing under my pillow and if I focus on visualizing the story or activity I will fall asleep instead of replaying some shitty thing that happened to me this week. Or 20 years ago. Or might happen tomorrow. Or what someone thinks about something I thought about. Or that thing I need to remember to do but know I won't.

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    1. Lifestyle change: exercise often so your body actually gets tired.
    2. If it's already late: go for a night walk.
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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)
    • verbena (or other) infusion
    • light yoga to stretch
    • shower
    • listening to a podcast in the not-complete dark

    Mix and match depending on situation. The last one is the most effective

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    Or grey noise, whatever works.

    There's a whole spectrum of colors of noise. All similar, but different.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I use this one at very low volume - lots of indistinct background sounds like people talking that you can't make out the words to, rain, gentle overall music, etc. Been using it for nearly two decades (found it elsewhere initially, so ignore the date uploaded), and it rarely fails.

    ETA: Warning that it does have a very slow buildup in volume for the first 30 seconds or so - just skip into the track a bit to sample it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I use a visualization technique, and this'll probably sound dumb, but it works for me. Try it.

    When I have an intrusive thought, I visualize it being consumed in a mushroom cloud and mutter "boom" a few times. There's something about the combination of the visualization and vocalization that makes the intrusive thought go away.

    I have no idea how or why it works. It just does.

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  • I learned something similar decades ago. I picture a floating orb, the color changes based on whatever my head makes up. Then when I breath in, I imagine "awake particles" being pulled from all over my body into the orb which destroys them. Then I breath out and it releases whatever is left of them. Then I breath in again... I've gone to sleep in 2 breaths (after doing this for years).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Doesn't sound silly to me, and I'm going to try it. In part because it makes sense - brain is a funny thing. But also because I've not had hiccups I didn't stop almost immediately by concentrating hard on telling myself I no longer have gills. It has worked every time so far.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I close my eyes and do the “four corners”technique or whatever it’s called. inhale for 4 seconds, hold for 4 seconds, exhale for 4 seconds, hold for 4 seconds, repeat. It eventually lowers your heart rate, increases CO2 in the blood and clears your thoughts. It’s much easier to sleep after doing that for like 20 mins.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    If my mind is racing, I will get up and just write about it until it stops racing. Usually that's when I've made some kind of plan to address what my mind so busy processing.

    If I just can't sleep for some unexplained reason, I will get up, bring my duvet to the living room and read comics for a while.

    Other than that, I try not to eat too late, and I will usually read in bed. Back when I had my Fitbit it said I averaged about 7h30m sleep a night. I also have a daylight lamp that I use in the morning during the dark half of the year.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Haven't done it myself but I've heard writing is a good way to "download thoughts" so your brain isn't worried about forgetting them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    I don't know your situation specifically, but as someone with PTSD who occasionally gets insomnia because of it, my lack of sleep comes from my brain getting too active in the night and not shutting up.

    If I really need to sleep, I'll distract myself by pulling up my tablet and either idly browsing my news feed or reading some digital comics. Anything to get me focused on anything besides whatever topic my brain has decided to hyperfocus on that night.

    After a bit, I'll put the tablet down and attempt to sleep right away. Usually it works, but if my mind switches back to it's worrying topics, I'll go back to the tablet and distract again.

    Usually it doesn't take more than an hour to fall asleep like this. Not ideal if you need to sleep ASAP, but better than getting no sleep all night.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    The sleep with me podcast.

    The way the host talks makes actually following along at low volume very difficult but it’s still engaging enough to keep my mind from wandering to racing sorts of places. It puts me out nearly every time I try it.

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  • [–] 6 points 18 hours ago

    Learning to chill/meditate is quite helpful, but can take a long time.

    I've found the 'military sleep method' to be very helpful as well. The version I found years ago, had you tense up each body area before relaxing it, but the links I found now mentioned none of that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Shove my husband and tell him to stop snoring.

    I pay attention to my feet and feel that they are asleep, then my calves, and so on until I feel like my whole body is asleep.

    Count backwards from 100 in Spanish in my head, or think about slowly descending through the color wheel from a bright loud red then orange, down through yellow, to green, blue, sleepy deep purple.

    Also - don't get in bed until you are sleepy. Exercise during the day. Yin Yoga before bed.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Melatonin helps me but i usually only take it to get into a pattern again

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    It really depends what the root cause of your wakefulness is. Like, if it's chemical, i.e. you had too much coffee etc - you're probably stuck.

    But if it's because of stress you can probably do some things to get relaxed.

    My major tip is, NEVER look at the time. It'll stress you out. And small periods of sleep are far more restful than you worry they will be.

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  • [–] 5 points 23 hours ago

    Warm drinks, cool room, heavy blankets and no screens or bright light for ~1h before

    Sometimes if my thoughts are getting loud it takes longer

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    First, no smartphone in your bedroom EVER. No alcohol before bedtime. Read a book with little action (Jane Austin, Jules Verne, old books do wonders …). Then turn out the light. Find a comfortable position, find the muscles that are tense and relax them. Don’t move anymore. Then count up 1,2,3,4,5… when thoughts pop into you head, start from 0 again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    People say this about smartphones and maybe it's true for many people, but for me I have fallen asleep while reading or scrolling countless times. It usually feels like the phone helps me wind down and get sleepier.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    You can try fantasizing, which I was told primes the brain to dream, though I don't know how supported that is. The big thing is to not stress about not being 'asleep' too much. You need 8 hours of contiguous rest but it doesn't all have to be deep sleep. You can lay in the dark for an hour with your eyes closed and it will be better than not. Stressing about being awake is worse than not resting at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    https://mynoise.net/ in the background, and puzzle games on the phone, like solve 50 sudokus. After one hour, I'm tired and I sleep.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    We were taught on basic how a meditation technique that you concentrate on relaxing your body a bit at a time. First with your feet then legs, arms and eventually your torso. The entire platoon was out cold before we got to our hands (according to the civilian instructor).

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  • [–] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm looking for the pharmaceutical aids honestly. I regular have a problem where I'll go to bed and simply lie awake the entire night. It's caused by stress at work (I'm an architect). I will go to bed at the usual time, miss my sleep window or something, and then if I haven't fallen asleep within the first 45-60 minutes then I just know that's it, I'm not sleeping that night. It happens once or twice a month when I'm really stressed and just can't stop replaying things I need to do or emails I need to send or big meetings that I have the next day.

    So yes, it's time for pharmaceutical aids

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago

    Try melatonin 15 minutes before lying down. Once you lie down, "think" about something casual (idle thoughts, not problems or anything that requires planning or decisions; a pleasant experience, a person, a critter). Melatonin prepares your brain to fall asleep, idle thoughts fill the space that intrusive thoughts will fill otherwise. If you're warm, turn on a fan; your body temp needs to drop a bit to be ready to sleep.

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