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[–] 193 points 1 week ago (49 children)

Comes off racist if youre scared to use the word black for describing the color of a thing to someone who is black. Black isnt a bad word but you're thinking of its negative connotations applied to people by racists.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Reminds me of The Office joke where Michael asks Oscar what his ethnicity is and Oscar says "Mexican" and Michael says "There's gotta be a better word to use than that".

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  • Also the bit in 30 Rock.

    β€œIt’s not because you’re a… uh, what do you call yourself?”

    β€œA Puerto Rican.”

    β€œNo, I know you can say that, but what do I call you?”

    β€œA Puerto Rican.”

    β€œWow… that does not sound right.”

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  • [–] 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I think the crack about Spanish is because the Spanish word for "black" is "negro." But it is also not pronounced the same way as racist southerners say it. Spanish uses a short E, where as rednecks insist on saying it "neeegro," perhaps in the hopes that it'll make them taller. So don't do that.

    The peanut gallery will win no points for guessing that the origin of the n-word is a mutation and/or corruption of "negro" and its various permutations in the other Romance languages that white people were all dragging with them across the Atlantic, all of which are just the words for the color black. For instance, in Latin it's the even closer "niger," single G.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago

    So decades ago I worked at a bike shop and some college students came in. One of them was black, everyone else in the shop was white. She sat down on a bike, that was all black with dark grey lettering. And I said β€œthis bike looks great, I love the black on black look.” Everyone looked at me funny, she immediately got off the bike, and i literally died inside and froze up.

    20 years later and i still think about this.

    Also I should note that it was not the first time I used that phrase for that bike - when you work sales you end up with little automatic narratives that you barely think about.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    The implication I got from the comic imo is that the person is going to ridiculous lengths to appear anti-racist

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I don't know about the specific scenario in the comic, but it seems understandable to be afraid of being perceived as racist just because of how much of a touchy subject it is, if you aren't able to be confident in knowing how what you say will be interpreted.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    To me it's hard to see this comic without thinking we're supposed to laugh at the ridiculousness of the person in it and not as much sympathize with his position

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  • That's exactly the problem. Anything can be touchy or sensible for at least one person. You don't know what will trigger someone. That kind lf overcorrectionism is hazardous as it might cause everyone to freeze and be unable to say virtually anithing out of fear of touching anyone else's sensibility.

    I think freedom of speech should only be limited in the case of immediate and/or evident danger, but not just by mere feelings or sensibilities.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 week ago* (33 children)

    Calling a black object "black" = Does not offend.

    Calling your car's late ignition timing "retarded" = Does not offend.

    Calling your dog a "bitch" = Does not offend.

    Calling your rooster a "cock" = does not offend.

    Calling a tied bundle of sticks for burning a "removed" = Does not offend.

    Just follow your friendly dictionary and you'll be fine.

    Also: Hi mods. You're probably here because of your word filter.

    Edit: Something replaced "f-a-g-g-o-t" with "removed" automatically. I'm going to leave it because it's hilarious that bundled sticks are forbidden.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    He's right. Individually, we are weak like a single twig.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    That's literally fascist propaganda. Fasces is Latin for a bundle of sticks and that was the image of strength that Italian fascists were trying to evoke.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

    Oh, so there is an automated censoring system in place. I thought people were saying removed en lieu of re-tard on Lemmy on whichever instance I was visiting. Kind of like how people use unalive.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I don't think it's Lemmy. I think it's per-instance. Lemmy.world is not a great or open place. They're very close to Reddit, with way too much control over Lemmy where it's almost synonymous. Take this as a warning if you're creating a community or new account to spread things out.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    .ml doesn't influence Lemmy much. Lemmy.world is the largest instance by far, and they leverage that control to force things on the larger Lemmy community. ml has issues, but at least they don't force things on anyone else. The lead developer of Lemmy is there, so they could, but they don't.

    Anyway, the point is that Lemmy is only as safe as it is diversified. People should be joining smaller instances, and communities created on other instances, rather than just going to the largest one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Lemmy.ml is the flagship instance created by the Lemmy developers. I wouldn't say they don't influence that much.

    And Lemmygrad.ml... Well, they're their slaves.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Yeah, like I said, they could, but they really don't. How often do you see posts from that instance in your feed? They influence each other, but it doesn't spread far beyond that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I saw them a lot until I blocked them.

    Also, the biggest communities for a lot of the more populat things are on .ml. I like anime, when I searched for a big and active anime comm, I headed first to the .ml one rather than to the .world one, because that second one was smaller. I still subscribed to bot; but then I noticed the tankie-pro-dictatorships nature of .ml and, at first, just argued, having some hope, then just blocked them when I noticed they're hopeless.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    I don't like them really either, but I think you're looking for something that doesn't exist. Yeah, they have some of the largest communities for certain things. That's how federation should work. My instance also has some, and many other instances. That's good. They don't have an outsized portion of them though. It's also pretty easy to block it and not miss much. If you did the same for .world then your feed would be almost empty. That's the issue.

    Also, why are you downvoting me (I assume it's you). That's weird for a discussion like this. Do you just downvote everyone who doesn't hold the exact same opinion as yourself?

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  • [+] 13 points 1 week ago* (14 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    It's also the name of a meat dish in the UK. Sort of like meatballs in gravy. Although it's rarely used in the singular. Wonder if the link get censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Fuck off. Writing about how and why faggot is a slur is a legitimate use. Informing who used the term faggot in a degenerative way is a legitimate way to use it. Writing about the history of the word faggot also is.

    Censorship sucks.

    Automated Censorship is stupid and dangerous.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    It's not that I just want to use slurs. I'm... um... principled! That's the ticket! Stopping me from saying slurs is a moral hazard. What if I were a historian and this were a conversation about the history of the slur?? It's not... but if I can construct a pretext then... uh... stop woke! DEI!

    Don't you understand there are categories of inferior people, and we need to be vile to them???

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  • If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word "goal" as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say "I have goals" or "omg, we're goals" ("we're goals" as "we're matching")?

    If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they'll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves. That's a way of letting them controlling language.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    English isn't my native language. Hard-R is that retard?

    I fear that refusing to use those words even in a educational sense is rewriting history a bit.

    It's weird how americans who been all over the Internet claiming germany has no free speech because gloryfication of the Nazis is forbidden.

    Yet it was always fine to write that heil hitler was a common greeting of people who brutally murdered millions.

    While writing that fuckwit racists used the term nigger to put themselves over other humans is now frowned upon

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I like to think of slurs as one of those, "we have freedom of speech but also you are not free from consequences for what you say," sorta things. So, yeah, go ahead and say it if you want to, but don't be a bitch about it if people tell you to fuck off or call you a Nazi.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Now I'm thinking of the politician who was offended by black holes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    There is a long tradition of "black" being used to describe evil things, which may or may not be related to racism. I think being conscious of this can be useful, but black means a lack of light, and a black hole is something that light can't escape from. It's a perfect term for that.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    I agree, but also black for coffee isn't just describing the color. It's describing the character. Sugar doesn't change the color, but that isn't black coffee. Black for coffee is a label/category, not a description.

    It's still stupid to be scared to call it black, just as it's stupid to be scared of calling black people black. It's a common term that everyone understands, and it isn't an insult.

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    This seems more offensive than just saying "coffee, black".

    Never bothered Jeanway or Tuvok. :V

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  • [–] 62 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    In Spanish you'd just order a "cafe solo"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I've always heard americano, but I don't drink coffee

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  • [–] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    That's a method of preparing. It means make an espresso shot and add water. Which is different than "normal" coffee where you pour all the hot water through the grounds at once.

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  • Nah, most places it's called "cafΓ© negro", and it's fine. "Negro" refers to the color, and there's nothing intrinsically racist about that word.

    If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word "goal" as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say "I have goals" or "omg, we're goals" ("we're goals" as "we're matching")? If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they'll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago

    ...like my men

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    [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    Black isn’t a bad word lol, but last I saw a mercworks comic was the mid 2010s so Β―\(ツ)/Β―

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Race is very nuanced - it's not bla- er, a very dark color and a much lighter color.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago

    Was in an anti-racist training event for work and the man running the meeting told us a story about this time his white friend’s son referred to him as β€œBlack” and the white dad gets all embarrassed. He scolds his son and then apologizes to his friend. Dude just goes, β€œit’s okay. I know I’m Black. There’s no need to try and hide it.”

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Give me a coffee, as black as your skin, my good man!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Ew no, if I order a black coffee, I'd want my coffee blacker than most black people. Most black people are still brown if we have to talk about literal skin color.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    For the record the Spanish word for black is pronounced more like nay-grow with an β€œeh” sound rather than just an β€œe” sound.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Wait the title is comparing the n-word for the word used for the color black in spanish?? As a native Spanish speaker, it litterally never crossed my mind they were even similar what.

    I get how there could be some resemblance but come on.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Well there is another n-word that isn’t the n-word that is more similar that they may be referring to. You still see it used in some places like the United Negro College Fund, but for the most part it too has fallen out of fashion.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Wow, artist has come a long way, especially in regards to how they draw people of color.

    https://archive.mercworks.net/2019/11/27/tgif/

    Same characters, 2019.

    EDIT: Thanks to @greenknight23@lemmy.world:

    image

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0BNRZCnU5eM

    "Excuse me. Can I get a cup of coffee, black?"

    "Can't you see we talkin', whiteβ€½"

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I recently had a similar experience. I was playing Codenames Duet in public, and because of their color, I had always referred to the "assassin" squares as "black." So I suddenly realized I was out in public talking about how I was trying to "avoid the blacks."

    From the context, I'm sure there was no confusion, but regardless, I thought it was a good idea to look up the correct name, "assassin," and try to start using that word instead of "black."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I play a card game called Spitzer, where one of the rules is that the holders of the two black queens end up on a team. It is incredibly common to say things like "you beat the blacks", etc. Context is everything.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    In the states you can order an African-style Americano

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)
  • β€œMake my coffee look like an egg bagle, and make it taste like you dipped a glazed donut into it, but without actually doing that, I don’t want chunky coffee”

    That's how I used to order my coffee from the donut place at 3 am before my 4 am airport shift. I was young, i’ve grown, but they always got it basically right. I make my own now, much much darker with less sugar. With just as much questionable content. Because I have ONE good coffee and top it off until it sucks and I don’t want more.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Y'all are strange to see "black" as referring to people first. Everyone in the world has a word for that colour (non-colour) hair and the night sky, and all baristas know what black coffee means.

    If saying "black" makes you uncomfortable, maybe get a checkup.

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  • First time i saw the comic i thought it was someone embarassed of asking a black coffee 😭

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Or you can call it as we Colombians call it, tinto.

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