My understanding is most do but it's the subject of occasional controversy.

I am vegan, because I want to minimize animal suffering. if insects have the ability to suffer is highly debated. honestly I think they could just be different enough for us to not recognize their intelligence, like we do/did with fish. I will eat honey when offered, but would not buy my own. tldr: I wouldnt reject it. but I would also not but it myself.

not all vegans are the same but personally i use agave over honey

yes. the reason the term vegan came about was because of the looseness of vegetarian. vegetarian would inply no eggs or insect unless it had a rider. like lacto/ovo vegetarians will ingest milk and eggs. honey was usually not to much of an issue. so vegan started being used for people who don't eat animals or anything that came from an animal like honey or milk. There is a thing called fruitarian that theoretically will only eat the parts of the plant that the plant made to be eaten. Like fruits. Steve jobs was into it before he died. I think he thought it would cure or help his cancer or something.

Depends who you ask. I know a guy who's vegan because he likes animals. I asked him about honey and he said "fuck insects".

But opinion differs because bees are pretty much free to go about their lives and we just steal the honey every now and then. It's not hurting them and not keeping them confined, so....

Others put the line at no hurting animals ever. I don't ask about fleas or mosquitos or tapeworms though.

Maybe but honey is far more humane than eggs.

Used to be vegan for 5ish years.

It is a grey area and personal preference. Are you vegan for morality, health, global sustainability, etc....

It depends why someone is vegan (diet, not movement).

I was vegan for health reasons, and local honey helps with allergies so I ate it.

Yes.

"honey, I'm home!"

shocked gasp "I want a divorce!"

There's been a lot of Japanese studies showing insects aren't so dumb recently. Same with fish.

So I've ranked them up and don't consume honey anymore. I already considered fish sentient before the recent studies anyways but now I'm validated lol.

They're against domestic animals as a concept, so you'd think. The basic idea is that animals are independent beings, and benefiting from them, with the massive power imbalance in play, is wrong.

Vegetarians are just against slaughter as a practice. And then you might land in between, if you don't like the way battery hens are treated, for example.

I suppose they should probably avoid products that use shellac as well.

• hard candy
• chocolate
• gum
• ice cream
• popcorn
• pretzels
• cookies
• cakes
• pies
• vitamins and supplements

Also include some red food dye and shellac (confectioners glaze) made from crushed beetles or beetle excretions, respectively.

No Yes: it's an animal product.

However vegetarianism and veganism are a spectrum and different people will place themselves at various places along it.

Some do, some don’t.

I have never met a vegan who was okay with honey but I have had plenty of non vegan mother fuckers constantly bring this up as if its this huge edge case point of conflict. Its made and taken involuntarily from animals. It ain't that hard to figure out.

I would be more interested in knowing if commercial honeybee pollination is vegan ok or not, and the same with buying boxes of bumble bees to pollinate inside greenhouses.

Yes.

Honeybees (outside their native habitat) are outcompeting native pollinators. They are counter to restoring nature.

They became useful as pollinators in by monoculture destroyed habitats. And have been normalised to the point where we assume they are native, helpful and wholesome. Which is fucked up. But all of animal agriculture is fucked up.

There aren't enough honeybees in the world to produce all the honey in the stores. So most of the time when people think they are consuming honey, they are more often than not eating rice syrup or other syrups. There is no way of controlingbthis since there is no fucking difference.

It's just sugar. No magic. Just bad.

Honey: some do, some don't.

Eggs: Vegetarians eat eggs and drink milk. Vegans don't, that's the whole definition.

I know a vegan who has ex-battery hens as pets. She's against taking eggs away from them because it may cause distress, but often they'll lay an egg wherever they happen to be, and walk away. Those ones are fair game because the chickens have abandoned them, and they need to be collected before they rot in any case.

Vegans are not a monolith. Some do, some don't. The decision generally comes down to their motivations & their education level.

Since ethical honey sourcing is actively good for both bees and local ecosystem, many vegans will consume ethically sourced honey. As opposed to meat where even the most ethical forms still involve the death of an animal.

Besides that many vegans view it as their 'cheat' option to curb their cravings. But also, there is very little reason to consume honey vs raw sugar, the flavor is similar especially once mixed into other food items. So some cut it simply because it is easy to cut.

I am what I call an "involuntary vegan". I had to go full whole food plant based due to heart health issues. One of the effects that consuming any animal products has on me is significant inflammation. That includes honey. It is bee puke afterall.

That said, I maintain bee friendly gardens wherever I can because bees rule. Honeybees are grea for the environmen and bee is good for most people, so I would never chastise anyone for having it.

What about maple syrup?