And so you understand that this is 100% legit... Here is their apology after they branded their potential slaves.

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[–] 58 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

A "LemonLime afterparty" sounds like something very different..

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  • [–] 216 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I have to be fair, though: that apology was one of the most decent public apologies I've seen in the last while (OK, I get it, it's a low bar, but still). Full admission that it was wrong (no "sorry if you didn't like it" bullshit), no blaming it on someone else, no trying to say "it wasn't really that bad". The only thing I find questionable is that some facts don't add up.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure that's true. I think there's some gas lighting going on. The LinkedIn post explicitly says interviews were for anyone who got a LemonLime tattoo. The apology then first says participants chose their own tattoo, and didn't have to get the company logo. Then in the "facts" section at the bottom, says interviews were available to everyone regardless of whether they got a tattoo.

    Not having attended the event, it's impossible to know, but it seems like pressure was higher at the event, and the poster is sort of taking some of the responsibility, but trying really hard to say "we didn't make you do anything."

    I wish we could see more of that "facts" section. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more there, they use to try to absolve themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Tbf the apology is about as close as it can come to actually humanely admitting they did that.

    Considering this guy is acting as the head of a business, that generally comes with some need to not be quite that good of a person. No corporate lawyer in their right mind would ever let the guy come out and admit to them having pressured people into getting tattoos of the company logo

    Clearly they did that, but also the guy clearly cannot say that without making it very easy for these people to sue the company.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago*

    Idk, I feel like he's glossing over the very active role the company had in pushing people to get their logo tattooed. Compare

    [We] offered an instant interview to anyone who got a LemonLime tattoo.

    and all that talk about being bold, risk-taking and committed - applicants "might want to take note", to

    participants chose their own tattoo and no one was asked to get our logo

    interviews were available to everyone regardless

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Shame. We got to keep it alive cause it is the only way we get apologies like that cause you can feel that they felt ashamed.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    For a moment I thought this was employees getting company tattoos which would be horrifying. But it was worse, pressuring young people into getting tattoos as a "power play". You could psychoanalyze that to death in valid ways but I don't personally need to because no matter how you slice it, it's legitimately terrifying that people took them up on this.

    And then the apology seems written by ai. I'm doubting the right lesson was learned here. The lesson they probably learned was "don't create optics like this, moving forward".

    This may be the most fitting post for this community that there ever will be.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's also pretty lunatic to think that random non-employees would be so excited by a company that they'd get its logo tattooed on themselves just because they're excited about the company.

    I could maybe see that in some rare cases: a company set up to use a cutting edge tech to cure cancer, a company that makes art of some kind, like an indie game studio or something. But, this LemonLime thing, apparently their business is yet another company that wants to use AI chatbots to replace employees. Is anybody really going to be so passionate about that "mission" that they're going to want to get the company's logo as a tattoo, just because they're a fan?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    And then the apology seems written by ai.

    You can’t really tell these days except when it’s very obvious, which this post is not.

    Besides, why does it matter who wrote it? Before AI it would have been his PR manager, now it’s AI. People just like to blame everything on AI. Even if he had written it himself, it’s not like there’s some law where everything you post on linkedin must be true.

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  • [–] 115 points 3 months ago (18 children)

    Well, the apology is more than I would've expected.

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  • [–] 86 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    Yes, whatever PR person wrote that did a good job.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    AI can generate text, but it can't identify the moral issue with forcing people to get tattoos, so...

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    So... The prompt they used was more specific than "Write an apology?"

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (13 children)

    The apology identified the problem (AI can't do that) and came up with an appropriate remedy (AI can't do that).

    It may be that the final version of the text was written by an AI, but it seems likely that a PR firm or crisis communications firm was used to defuse the situation. Those companies are used not just because they can generate text, but because they're able to identify the problem, come up with a solution, and do it in a way that ends the news cycle. Those are skills that require empathy and understanding human nature, which is something AI doesn't do.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Dude you're so full of shit, it even identifies the fact it's a party and people were drunk and can't consent

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    By saying "What's the moral issue here?" You indicated there was a moral issue to find.

    I would bet that if you used that prompt for something where there were absolutely no moral issues, it would invent one.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    But it didn’t invent an issue. It found the one talked about and several others.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Sure, and that's pretty good. But, it's not the same as identifying that there is an issue on its own.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    It’s not like the people in the company saw the issue themselves, until they were told that there were an issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    The psychopathic guy who posted that LinkedIn post didn't see the issue. I doubt he passed the idea past the company's lawyers or PR team though.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    So, the human needs to be an psychopath to not spot it and the people checking needs to have the job of spotting dumb ideas, to be able to see the issue. I tried running the idea past Ecosia’s AI (thinking mode) and it spots the issues right away plus other ones, including reputation harm to the company. Here is my prompt:

    a company is having a party for young people where non-employees can come too. At the party, there will be a tattoo artist where everyone can get a tattoo that they choose themselves. if people get a tattoo, they will get offered a job interview. what do you think about that idea?

    I’m not saying that AI can do anything a human can, but your claim that an AI can’t spot the issue without being told that one exist, is false.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I checked and it seems like the main difference with an AI suggested apology is the addition of gaslighting:

    We did NOT offer instant interviews based on tattoos. That was never our intent. We brought a tattoo artist to our party as a fun, optional activity — like face painting or photo booths — to help break the ice. No one was pressured. No one was evaluated. And no one was hired because of a tattoo.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    AI can if you go "and make sure to mention [INSERT PROBLEM HERE]" in the prompt.

    And that entire apology is most definitely AI slop written, it has every telltale sign, such as using weird grammar choices, and looking sycophantic

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Perhaps you haven’t been using LLMs recently - they absolutely do that now.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Or maybe they just used the feedback they got to craft the prompt. Or just fed the feedback directly into the llm and told it to craft an apology based on that.

    Regardless, I don't really care how they arrived at the soulless apology so I'm going to move on.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago

    “We want desperate people who will work long hours for low wages. Prove how desperate you are by permanently modifying your body for a chance for an interview “

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  • [–] 73 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    "Personalized art" dawg that's just your company logo

    "For the facts: interviews were available to everyone regardless" I bet the people who have to go laser off a corporate tattoo are super thrilled to hear there wasn't even a point in getting one.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    He said in the apology that it was not the company logo but a Tattoo chosen by the candidate. Still bad, but not as bad as logo branding.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    But he also says in the initial post "anyone who got a LemonLime tattoo", which while not saying directly "the company logo" suggests something different from just choosing anything as your tattoo.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    This is what happens when a workplace is seen as the owner's exclusive social club of people that are identical to them in every way and not a collection of individuals with job skills.

    Lots of start ups are like this. It's like 20% job interview, 80% dating.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Satire is dead.

    Outpost dot com https://youtu.be/l7vngee0mio

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    Wow. Didn't expect this to be real but it is

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I'll wager the offer of removal comes with certain legal requirements that end all other responsibilities for them.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, probably yeah? They are paying to have it undone

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My point being that it's the cheap way out for the startup - much cheaper than dealing with lawsuits. If their victims were likely young & dumb enough to do it to begin with (not putting them down because we've all been there), then they're likely also dumb enough to let the startup off the hook just as easily - yet another way the startup is taking advantage of them.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    The apology is AI.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    It's amazing how many people have a free spinning moral compass

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It takes a real sociopath to think this was ever a good idea or anyway acceptable.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    No it only takes someone who's really passionate about his company and that, in a momentary lapse of reason, gets carried away. It was never a good idea, it was not acceptable, but that's not the traits of a sociopath.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I disagree.

    Clinically you can't diagnose a child as a psychopath because their brains haven't finished development.

    I think it's kinda like that. This person should become a ward of the state until they can prove they hold the mental capacity to make sound, intelligent and mature decisions that consider other's feelings and autonomy

    or maybe he's a psychopath

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    At first I was going to call out the artist, but then I read more about it. It wasn't required to be the company logo, and was actually canvas choice.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I guess the tattoo artist didn't give a shit even though they were the one doing the actual work

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Insanity aside, their company better be really fucking good for people to commit themselves that hard. I'm sure they are doing something absolutely revolutionary for the human race.

    Check inside: AI Slop Company.

    Nice.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago*

    Damn, so you make this irreversible sacrifice for them and they don't even give you the certainty of a job in return? Crazy

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    And the lucky (not smart) among them get wealth, real power, and nobody to point out the problems with their reckless ideas.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Just for an interview? Guarantee me a job that will let me live as comfortably as I want and retire at a decent age and I'd tattoo my face, but for an interview? Fuck off.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Fun fact: the other YC-grad execs are all pretty jealous of this. My boss wants us to come up with some similar-level stunt I think.

    The whole industry's gone a bit loony over the last couple of years.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Bet their pizza parties are amazing

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    “Hey, if you get a tattoo of our company logo, you get an interview!”

    “Hell yeah, sign me up! I could use the settlement money from the lawsuit to tide me over until I can land a job.”

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    "read all these negative comments and then write an apology for me, chatbot"

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Hope they get sued into oblivion

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Smells like a promotional stunt to get into the headlines.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sure the initial idea was, but they probably didn't want their first impression to the world at large to be a negative one like this. First impressions matter most, and they should always be positive. The later shit that just reminds people you exist can sometimes be negative without causing much problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The apology does not match the initial post. And am I so out of the loop, what the heck is YC? Yellow Cosmonauts? Young Cannibals ( of the normal variety)?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    finally a company with guts and creativity

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Well at least there seems tonbe a somewhat genuine apology with some self reflection, not a corporate lawyer response

    But that is about the only redeeming factor here

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder if it had to be a tattoo related to the company, or if the artist had a flash sheet with other designs, too.. If he was a decent artist and I had options, I'd totally walk away with a free tattoo and never interview for that company.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I 100% know a few people that this is just "free tattoo if I do an interview" to them lol

    They already have dozens of tattoos and this would just be another funny story to add to the list.

    Also based on the followup post, sounds like ppl were allowed to get whatever tattoo they wanted, so it was basically just an offer for free tattoo service in practice.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    No! I wanted orange!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Honestly I want to get some small tatoos and I dont because it's minimum 100€ for anything so I would love to find free tatoos to get like a little heart or two lol

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