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[–] 95 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Science isn't an ontology, it's a method.

God, what no humanities does to a mf

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Scientism is the belief that science and the scientific method are the best or only way to render truth about the world and reality.

    While the term was defined originally to mean "methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to natural scientists", some scholars, as well as political and religious leaders, have also adopted it as a pejorative term with the meaning "an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)".

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Believing that science yields universally true results or is the only method of finding truths, however, is an ontology and something you have to believe.

    Edit: I'm not anti-science or anything, just a pedant.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Believing that science yields universally true results or is the only method of finding truths

    You just described science as though it were a belief system. In reality, science has a presumption that your ideals are false, not true. And a person who could only discover truth through science wouldn't be able to dress or feed themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I agree with the second part of that sentence, but who would think that they discover universal truths or any truths at all? The whole premise of science is that we cannot verify anything or find any real truth. We can just show that anything else is much more unlikely to be true.

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  • [–] 44 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    "facts don't care about your feelings" energy

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  • [+] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    explain the problem: irrational criticism & fallacies aren't scientific

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    problem?

    seems like you're drawing on a guilt by association fallacy

    Is there anyone out there who hates Ben Shapiro and the temperamental cranks who act like their subjective appeals to emotion & outrage have anywhere as much merit as valid, objective arguments that take actual effort? The latter is tiresome, and they absolutely deserve Ben's catchphrase: everyone should be appropriating it to nobler causes than Ben's to annoy him & criticize those irrational twerps.

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    [–] 20 points 10 months ago

    Science doesn’t have an opinion on anything, it’s a process not a person.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    Haha science takes more faith to believe in than my religion.

    • Sent from my iPhone

    /s

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sent from my iPhone

    I guess prayer and ritual made the device possible, eh?

    LOL!

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yep that's the joke, although I should probably have made it more obvious given that it's the internet and there are real people who probably post this sort of stuff sincerely.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The placebo effect would like a word.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Until you turn your head and stop observing, and then it reverts back to mysticism. :-P

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    Actually, "science" is a human activity and must care about what you think. It's the universe that doesn't care about either.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Unless it's like... Sociology, or Psychology. They care what you believe.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Sadly a lot of people's beliefs don't give a fuck about science.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    This is mostly shared as an arrogant statement towards laymen, but really, it's a reminder for scientists themselves

    No matter what you think or believe your experiment should yield, reality check is always waiting around the corner.

    Nice, when seen in this light!

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Is "Neither do I" written on the bottom?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Needlessly antagonistic, anthropomorphises science... hmm.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Technically correct since science is a concept and doesn't have feelings, unlike animals, and possibly plants, fungi, all forms of life, who knows, rocks? Idk.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Hypothesis?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Sure does. But nature doesn't.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    yeah, about that...yer funding...it comes in part from some of those anti-science folk... :/

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    But is light particle or wave?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Everything is a wave if you dig deep enough.

    At least, as far as we know right now. But the standard model and quantum field theory have been really solid with really precise predictions for many decades at this point. (not any kind of expert here, just find it interesting)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I irony being anyone who owns such mug does give a fuck what you believe.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    science doesn't care about your feelings.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Everything goes through our brains and therefore filters and interpretations. Science doesn't happen if grants are approved and that usually means someone has something to gain. Even then, results are skewed by method and biases.

    Science very much does care about our feelings, both individual and collective, every step of the way. That's why there needs to be special care to take them out as much as possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Plus, statistics make up the basis of pretty much all of our science. If you dig into the foundations of stats, you'll find that it's basically just formalizing our feelings. It just happens to be formalized in a way that appears to reflect reality accurately enough to be useful.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Science cares if your beliefs make you vote for someone who defunds research.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    This post would be greater with accessibility.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    That handle is on the wrong side, unless it's for someone who is left handed.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    When I pointed this out to a very popular influencer last week I got doxxed by them. Luckily after a week of people trying to fuck with my account they deleted the message.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I want this mug

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    "Its just my opinion" 

    No. Science isn't about opinions. Its facts and nothing else.

    If you're putting your opinion in science, its no longer science. 

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In Chile, in 1960, after the great Valdivia earthquake, in a small beach town in southern Chile, to "calm the seas" after the tsunami, a mapuche machi (chilean indigenous people; chaman), did a human sacrifice, killing a little child, they were absolved because they "were acting in accordance of an extreme fear of their gods of their belief", and it angers me always so much that story.

    When they tell me to respect other people's believes, I always think of that case, is then OK to kill children if you say is to "calm your angered gods?" Apparently yes, fuck that no I won't accept people believeing in bullshit.

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrificio_humano_del_5_de_junio_de_1960_en_Chile?wprov=sfla1 here is the Wikipedia of the incident, seemingly there is no English wikipedia, so use translate if you don't know Spanish.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    we define "science" as the aggregate consciousness of scientific researchers

    This is something I wish I could preach convincingly to everyone. The activity of scientists, a social group, are arguing and trying to convince one another that their interpretation of the data acquired by using their tools and methods is what become a scientific consensus.

    Forefronting the method (often a vaguely defined one rooted in a hypo-deductive model from about 150 years ago that most people learned in grade school) removes the relationships between people and other people and people and institutions.

    I wish I could find the paper but there's a wonderful enthographic study on how scientists interact with each other to transform the discourse.

    Edit: Found it! Science as Social Knowledge: Values and Objectivity in Scientific Inquiry by Helen E. Longino

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    The only fuck Science gives is on/in the other end, Like at the Cortex Relay's battle for the Truth 's broadcast.

    Some people just don't understand what some words mean. Some people think they no everything. Some people think that they are limited to any arbitrary awareness dimensions that they know of. Some people think there are only a certain number of dimensions.

    Some people Fly Fire like it's obviously the only way physics work and they they know what matter is.

    Some people ask questions. Some people SkewEl and tell people they know.

    Sum people just do the math ;but what dimensions is/are Math relevant to?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I have 2 of these in my cupboard, given to me as a gift on two separate occasions from different people.

    It's like they know me or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Well I believe the colour purple is real.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Well, fuck you too science!

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    science is religion with extra steps but more open and less bloat.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Agreed. But I blame the rabble for that. They'll turn anything into a religion.

    Science : a method for crafting high-quality models.

    Rabble : it's the one and only truth and it dgaf wooooooo!!!!!

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    [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Eugh.

    I mean, it’s not wrong, but this has the energy of a Facebook meme for people who make atheism their entire personality.

    If I saw someone with this mug I would probably avoid them.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah stuff like this is cringe.

    Science isn't a culture or a belief system, nor is it a substitute for those things. Science isn't an aesthetic or a political or group ideology.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Science isn’t a culture or a belief system

    The mug doesn't claim anything you wrote, either (or give a fuck 😄).

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    YOU don't give a fuck what people believe. You. Science has nothing to do with it. Science isn't a person, it doesn't have the capacity for indifference. Science is a method, a process, a set of tools. Science isn't a gotcha to your political or ideological opponents. If you want to say that you don't care what people believe, fine (that's still cringe) but leave science out of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    The comments about this cup are funny in how pedantic they, given the point of the cup to me is the spirit of it. It is not surprising to see the science positive crowd be so analytic about it though, and actually slightly reassuring.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Bruh my grandma gave me this mug like 10 years ago. The same one that believes high schools were installing litter boxes for students.

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    It does care where you're looking though

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    What about political science? Psychology?

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