The goal, really, is to cut the crud out of Windows to create a more Linux-like experience.
but
for powerful developer hardware with 64GB of RAM and gobs of memory bandwidth.
????
The goal, really, is to cut the crud out of Windows to create a more Linux-like experience.
but
for powerful developer hardware with 64GB of RAM and gobs of memory bandwidth.
????
requires 64gb ram

Don't be so mean. You can do many useful things on windows. Like for example selecting Linux distro, downloading it and saving on an USB.
Clearly, the focus is on local AI development β a timely move as cloud AI token costs start to rise.
This is called burying the lede.
If Microsoft knows this cloud-based AI thing is a bust and people will be moving to local models that are not controlled by Microsoft or OpenAI or Anthropic, then it's only a few months before Satya tells his investors buddies and the bubble pops.
I find this unlikely... IMO I think they are hedging in both directions.
Personally I like the idea of local AI. open source models that you an control, decide, and use smartly, sort your things etc... and not pay an absurd cost or link up.
Personally I think MS is actually betting on the opposite. IE they had a prototype windows that was basically just an AI prompt, no start menu etc... and applications just "streamed".
IMO I think that's more of the goal, use the data center buildout to drive up hardware prices, until people cannot afford a basic PC. Sell thin clients... then sell us "access" to compute in a form where we own nothing, but pay by the processes used etc...
I'm pretty sure local models still induce pyschosis and hallucinate. Maybe the cat's out of the bag, but they still suck.
They absolutely do suck, but I can see some practical uses for them. IE I can see LLM's as useful in localized specialized uses. for me I'd really like basically LLM as a like calendar, scheduling kind of thing, also say translating home assistant commands through a voice assistant to make it figure out actual intent etc..., nothing super mission critical, but also mostly things I wouldn't want any 3rd party service that could change the rules for me, share them to others etc...
I agree it's a hedge, but I think it's a pretty big admission that the writing is on the wall.
Given how much Windows has invested in cloud AI, that they are encouraging developers--the sweetest plum, the people most likely to pay for cloud AI--a local environment is a pretty big admission. This is the sort of thing corporations that have the ability to control markets don't do unless they think the market is going to leave them behind.
64GB would be on the short side for local AI stuff today, 128 with some 80-96 shared for vram is probably a better start. IMO.
You believed Microslop once, that's on them. You believed Microslop twice, that's on you.
Is this their follow up to the wildly successful Project Test Everything In Production?
You need 64 GB or RAM to use it? Seems like it's just a marketing gimmick to find dumb developers who can afford 64GB of RAM in the first place. Kind of like that "I am Rich" app....
Some of us bought our 64gb of ram when it was cheap.
I have 128gb. I didn't need 128gb but it was a good deal and thought fuck it, i spent too much into AM4 anyway might as well go all in and not bother with AM5 for another four years if ever.
I rarely manage to time anything correctly for market fluctuations, but for once I hit it right on the head when I built this machine last summer.
I wish I had. I was foolishly waiting for the 32gb sticks I needed to drop below $120.
it's 64gb so you can run local ai models to 're-clutter' your windows experience.
I am curious, how many of the Lemmy/piefed/mbin servers can meet this requirement. I know only lemmy.world that does.
Zero details about what clutter they're going to remove...
E: Reading the original Windows release does not mention anything at all about decluttering. They do call it "distraction-free" at one point, but no elaboration on what that means...
The goal, really, is to cut the crud out of Windows to create a more Linux-like experience.
LOL. I'll just keep using Linux, thank you very much. Great article though:
[β¦] demanding 64GB of RAM in the age of the RAMaggedon seems inexcusable. (Especially because Microsoft's partnership with OpenAI and its overall AI push is a big reason memory prices have skyrocketed.)
Microslop must be getting tired of all the winning.
/s, obviously
Iβm sure the event viewer, resource monitor, etc will support hidpi with this right and itβs not just gonna be another Ui layer painted on top of all the old ones like a shitty apartment where you can cut the wall and count the layers of paint
Why doesn't Microsoft just use AI to fix their shit products? I thought AI was the future and Microsoft is OpenAI's largest shareholder so this should be a slam dunk.
If it was "clutter free", it would not need 64GB. It might even work with 4GB or less.
If they actually cut the bloat and had a bare bones system it would be a half decent OS. It would be able to get away with less ram and faster response. The only issue is that would not look good for there stock value.
Modern windows 2000 please.
While we're at it, a real CLI, please. Running a full GUI and popping up a Power Shell window doesn't count.
I don't understand, do you not like Windows Terminal? I have found it to be one of the better parts of Windows 11. It isn't perfect, but miles better than cmd.
they probably don't like having to run a full gui for basic text commands control
Win 11 IOT enterprise LTSC already exists and doesn't even require a TPM.
Unless this is a legitimate channel for regular users to get IOT enterprise LTSC, this is a non-story. The thing we want already exists, they just refuse to sell it.
Clearly, the focus is on local AI development β a timely move as cloud AI token costs start to rise.
AI token costs are only rising for people with low AI proficiency who compensate for that by just using expensive models for everything. For others, the costs are dropping quite a lot, largely thanks to Chinese models (GLM, Kimi, Qwen, etc.)
It will be interesting to see what the price point is for Zenith, and the hardware needed to run it.
I would pay like big bucks for a no nonsense interference that just ran shit i wanted without 900 services doing god knows what
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