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[–] 200 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's crazy how normalized gambling became the last 10 or so years.

It used to be really hard to gamble legally. Now it's hard to find someone not pushing "legal gambling" everywhere. Meanwhile, we still can't smoke weed in some parts of the world? What?

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  • [–] 119 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    I will forever be thankful for a cruise I went on when I was in my teens.

    There were unrestricted gambling slot machines, I had 20SEK, I started gambling at one machine, and won! I tripled my money, so I had 60SEK.

    Instead of being sensible and buying snacks, I gambled more later, and lost it all.

    It was not a large amount of money, but it still stings, and have put me off of gambling ever since.

    It was probably the best return I have ever gotten from any money.

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  • [–] 62 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This is like my gambling story, except I just lost $60 on a slot machine in ten minutes and wondered why people thought this was fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I won $40 on a slot machine and also wondered why people thought it's fun

    Edit to add a fun story: I went to a concert at a casino. It was a known metal band performing 70s and 80s rock music that inspired them, and most of the folks were there for the big name metal band. You have to walk through the casino to get to the space where the performance is so basically all of the concert goes just walked right past the slot machines and card tables and straight into the concert around 9ish, and then straight out around midnight.

    Lemme tell you the old ladies getting off the retirement home bus at midnight to spend the early morning with the one-armed-bandit and the other old ladies sitting at the slot machines gave us concert goers the dirtiest most judgemental looks imaginable. I was a young adult and it took me a bit to realize how rediculous it was for the ones being miserable while gambling away their life savings in the middle of the night thought us concert goers who spent $50 to go spend a few hours seeing some awesome live music and walking out with shit eating grins on our faces were the ones making poor life choices

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    What put me off from gambling at an early age was trying to get a porygon in the original Pokemon Red Version.

    Also, I played a lot of casino minigames in the Mario64 DS remake. I did alright at some but it definitely taught me that you can never truly predict the outcomes, so don't bet with anything you don't mind losing.

    As an adult though, I literally never felt the desire to actually gamble with real money. That sounds idiotic.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    Brother took me to a casino for my 21st birthday. I did a bit of research, so I only took in $40 and left my atm card at home.

    I wanted to play the cool looking slot machines. Brother convinced me that roulette was going to be way more fun. It was a busy night, so it took almost an hour to get a spot at the table. And the minimum bet was $10. Roughly 3 min after finally getting to bet, I'd lost all $40, having not won a single time (even my bets on the colors failed).

    It was so utterly disappointing, especially when the next person in our party got to the table and managed to keep their bets going for over an hour and left with a few hundred extra $ that night. Most of the night was me just standing around bored out of my mind.

    I'm very thankful for that early experience. Later experiences were better, but also far more tempting. I attribute my ability to resist the temptation largely to how shitty that first night was.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    I don’t gamble often but when I do I treat it as an entertainment expense. I can budget $60 to going to a casino or for buying tickets to something. When the $60 is gone I am done.

    It’s all about $/hr of entertainment value.

    That said I haven’t really been gambling for 20 years.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    My trick is to try to separate “winnings” from the amount planned for gambling. I look at it as how much to spend for time of entertainment. The idea would be to try to only lose the original 20SEK you started with and try to move the over 40SEK into the other pants pocket.

    It’s not always easy, and it’s harder with the stupid electronic cards that I’m sure track your profitability.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I lost maybe 100-200 euros opening lootboxes in Counterstrike. Not at once but maybe 20 euros at a time. At some point I realized it didn't make any sense to continue buying them and I haven't spent money on microtransactions since.

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago* (21 children)

    I never understood how people can enjoy gambling or be addicted to it.

    Yeah I get that it’s exciting, but spending money on actual goods and services can be exciting too.

    If you find gambling using a $1000 exciting, wouldn’t using that $1000 on other things be even more exciting?

    Winning money is only fun because said money can be used for fun. It wouldn’t really be a problem if it was points instead of currency. If what gives gambling its excitement is spending your winnings, just spend money from the get go.

    Idk, I just don’t get it.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    It's basically a skinner box + the unknown, if I spend $1000 then I've spent $1000, but if I gamble $1000, I could win all this money, or I could lose it all, no one knows, and every time it's new + dangerous. It also just ruins your perspective/ respect for money, because if you gained/lost 20k in an afternoon, what are you going to do go back to working for $20 an hour for half a year for what you made/spent in 2 hours?

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It’s “intermittent” or “unpredictable reward” coupled with the addict’s brain wiring. The thrill and relief of a win is addictive.

    If you’re not wired that way you simply aren’t going to “get it”, same as not really understanding any other addiction - at least in any way other than intellectually.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This is like the complete opposite feeling I had the one time I went to Vegas. I played slots for all of an hour and I felt sick at all the money I flushed down the drain, even though I ended up pretty much breaking even. I spent the rest of the time there just wandering the strip people watching and taking in the sights.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Slots (or gambling) are ok as long as the user understands that you’re gonna lose, you go with a set amount of money, and once the money is gone you’re done.

    Then you’re ok, you’re paying for the “entertainment” of the game and the chance of the win, again, if once the money is gone you’re done.

    No fretting over the loss. It’s a reasoned choice, and doesn’t hurt anyone.

    But like alcohol or other drugs it can turn bad for some people.

    If you very much dislike the idea of dumping money into that form of entertainment and would rather spend it on shows, nice food, and experiences like that, great! That’s what works for you, and for most of us is far more satisfying choice.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I don't gamble, I just buy pallets of equipment at auction in the hopes that I can resell it for a profit.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I dont gamble, I just bid on abandoned storage units and hope for the best.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That’s different though,

    Both gotcha games and loot boxes start with the user wanting to use money to get items. The chance factor is just there to mask the cost since the user might just get a rare on their first try.

    My point was gambling to win money isn’t like normal addiction cause you already start with what you want.

    I guess it just taps into greed and the desire to always have more? Why spend the $1000 when that can become $2000? Wonder if gambling is more of a problem in our capitalistic system as we are all trained to be as greedy as possible.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    you don't get a real gambling addiction from losing, you get it from that one proper win. get lucky winning 50-60k once (average yearly salery, for working class american) and it really fucks with how you view your own time. why would you spend 30-40hr a week all year just to make that again?

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago

    Gambling addiction is about the high like any other addiction. It comes down to brain chemistry, and personality. There's the high from anticipation, and a second from the payoff just like every addiction. Gambling is just easier than most because it's money, something we all have to use. Like food addiction, it's something we all need to consume.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's the variable reward that does it. That's also true for animals. Give a pigeon a button that when pressed gives sometimes nothin or some food and they go haywire and become addicted to pressing the button.

    Then the money men saw it works the same in humans. Hence loot box mechanics everywhere. Press bottom and get variable reward. Whaddya know, some folks are really susceptible to this and hit that button like a pigeon.

    Sports betting is the same, but with the illusion of skill around it.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Give a pigeon a button that when pressed gives sometimes nothin or some food and they go haywire and become addicted to pressing the button.

    My dog goes nuts when I'm in one particular part of the kitchen because her treats are in one of the drawers, even though 9/10 times I'm doing something other than getting a treat for her. The payout is often enough that she puts on a show to try and get a treat out of me lol

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I've been gambling before and it was fun when I won money. The thing is I know how, with few exceptions with games like poker and blackjack (and only then if you're skilled), you will ALWAYS lose more money than you win over long enough of a time period.

    I'm a big, walking math machine, though, so I've been the person getting a little too tipsy at the roulette table and telling everyone exactly how probability works and that numbers are never "hot". The roulette dealer was surprisingly amused.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    We used to play poker when I was at university, but because we were all nerds we used to play for Pokémon cards.

    It is fun but playing for money is a really bad idea because even if it's all amicable and no one actually cheats it will still result in one person being happy with the outcome and everyone else being mad at them.

    But I'm with you I'm much rather just spend money that I own rather than take a risk on it especially because I can do the odds. I've often thought I would rather play the stock markets than in a casino, the odds are better because there is actually an element of skill involved.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Reading your comment, I'm imagining that the "likes gambling" trait has much overlap with the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" trait. These are people who do not get excited from regular purchases because regular purchases do not strike them as a way to get out of their temporarily embarrassed rut.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    I swear half of these gambling websites end their ads with "this is not a gambling website". I've never looked into in (because fuck that I'm not going on those sites) but I assume it's some mobile game shit where you buy gems or something and can't actually win anything tangible.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Fun fact: you CAN win money because they operate in a legal gray area calling themselves "prediction markets".

    Basically you buy percentage shares in an outcome and if that outcome happens all of those that bought the shares get a payout. At least that's my understanding of it.

    Do I do it? Fuck no.

    Do I know more than a few people that do? Literally more than half of my coworkers do and a few people in my friend group do.

    Bonus "fun" fact: they're not limited to just gambling. If you managed to miss it, not too long ago people were gambling on events in the Iran War.

    If it wasn't obvious I'm very much against this practice. Shit's fucked.

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  • [–] 39 points 5 months ago*

    Prediction markets is a fancy term for gambling and they exist because that type of gambling was legalized.

    They want to deny it is gambling to avoid laws that directly reference gambling by name just like 'ride sharing' is taxis but doesn't want to follow laws that use the word 'taxi' in the text. Oh, and to trick gambling addicts into gambling.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    The last time I looked, there were also legal casinos using a similarly transparent schtick.

    What they do is that you don't directly win money from gambling. Everything is presented as if it's related to a sweepstakes, because sweepstakes are a legal version of gambling.

    It works something like, you can pay to get entries in a sweepstakes, and I think you can even gamble with your sweepstakes entries to try to get more entries. Then because you entered the sweepstakes, you automatically win, and the sweepstakes pays out in fake money like gems. Then you can also gamble with the fake money. Finally, the casinos will buy the fake money from you using real money.

    I may not have gotten this explanation exactly right, but it's in the ballpark.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'm really hoping that legislation will be in place to curb this sort of thing by the time my kids are old enough to want to watch sports. I'm not thrilled at the prospect of those ads marinating in their young brains, and I don't relish the thought of trying to explain to a credulous 8-year-old that we can't win millions of dollars betting on hockey games.

    Hoping is different than expecting, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    But you can win it's practically gaurenteed!

    -Ads.

    Seriously, why don't these things have warnings on them like cigarettes. I see ads for the local casino that say stuff like "riches are just 3 exits down," it's crazy. Should also say "GAMBLING IS ADDICTIVE AND YOU WILL LOSE MONEY" or something.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    What you're hoping for is that governments go back to protecting people instead of being used by the rich to transfer wealth from the citizenry.

    Everyone knows gambling has zero social benefit and does a lot of harm. But none of that matters because you can show up to a few congressmen with a few thousand dollars and they'll do what you tell them, and no other congress critters will get in their way because every other congresscritter wants support for their grifts.

    Government is working hard to find a million ways to redistribute wealth upward. Public advertising of gambling is just one more sign of corruption.

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    If you can't watch a sport without a wager, then you're into gambling, not sports.

    How exciting is horse racing on its own? (It isn't)

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I fucking love horse racing man, and no i dont gamble (anymore lol)

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    Yup, I fell into the sports gambling world for a few years. I originally just played fantasy football and thought it was fun then quickly started gambling on each fantasy season which then just became gambling each game and then became gambling on sports I didn't watch like golf.

    I was able to break the addiction but I cannot watch any sports anymore do to a fear of falling into that all again. Its actually nice to not to give a fuck about these rich athletes anymore and just enjoying things I can do.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    In case you still thought the sports industry isn't evil...

    Practically all sports stars are perfectly happy to advertise and work with scummy companies (like aforementioned gambling companies), and countries like Israel or UAE. As long as they're paid nice money.

    Same for sports events. They'll all happily take money to advertise billionaire pedophiles' companies or terror states.

    It's almost impossible to spend any money on sports-related events or merchandise without supporting gambling or contributing towards genocide. Maybe some local ones? Maybe...?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    I just can't imagine pulling something like cable TV into your home intentionally.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    Its not about spending money, its about anticipation and excitement. It turns something that people enjoy like watching sport, and gives a personal investment. It goes from, "id like carolina to win" to "it means something to me if Carolina wins."

    People who are addicted to gambling arent gambling to buy things. Theyre addicted to gambling. Theyre gambling so they can gamble more. Its like people who are addicted to drugs. Eventually the soft stuff doesnt hit like it used to, and the need bigger doses or harder drugs. They need to win more money, so they can gamble more money.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I switched to UK streams of F1 for this exact reason. It’s out of hand.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I stopped watching F1 2 or 3 races in this year. has it improved? the constant pass and repass is boring and not what F1 is supposed to be in my opinion.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It’s still that sadly, they tried fixing it with new rules mid season and it slightly got better but it’s still the same more or less

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Sports betting is huge in the UK though.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    But its advertising is regulated even if the industry itself is allowed to do whatever they want outside of the advertising restrictions.

    So you won't get constantly blasted for advertisements to bet while watching.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Huh, interesting. I didn't know that. I thought it was similar to Australia, where the betting services do advertise.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yea. I never understood why people go insane over it pay stupid prices to go watch.

    But I did gamble once, iirc, foot Germany vs Ukraine, i believe i made like 100€

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    pay stupid prices to go watch

    As a non-sports fan, my very first football game was in box seats that we won tickets to. The whole experience was brilliant. It was just a constant party the entire day, and it helps that this stadium is basically in the middle of a residential neighborhood 10/10 would absolutely drive for hours in game day traffic and sit in the open air stadium in January when it's below zero out for that vibe again

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

    Let's all cut cable TV.

    Oh wait, I already did.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The only reason I have cable TV is it was literally cheaper to get it packaged with my Internet than just getting the Internet alone.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I've never had cable in my entire life. Parents never paid for it, and I got so sick of watching planes crash into buildings 25 years ago that I stopped watching it entirely. It didn't take long before advertising drove me crazy, and I've never been back.

    I've been arguing with strangers online ever since. I should get back into books.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    I watch only torrents of sporting events and all the commercials are removed.

    It's amazing 99% of the time. 1% of the time I discover the result prematurely.

    Which reminds me, time to watch game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals after I hit send, or I'll blunder across the results.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Meanwhile, Pete Rose is still not in the Hall of Fame.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Things to note.

    • Gambling is a revenue stream for States.
    • States up to this point have been terrible at managing revenue, gambling now gives them this glut of cash.
    • Gambling has been promoted as a social activity. Know a gambling platform? Likely there's a whole social media presence for it. And for some digital platforms that include gambling, they may even have whole social network.
    • Aggressive advertising and hidden psychological factors have played a role in how people view it. "Risk-free" sign up, give the impression of harmless entertainment and some platforms deeply hide the gambling aspect.
    • Low barrier to entry. Gambling usually has very little friction to get people into the platform, some even allow very low wagers, allowing "everyone" to get in.
    • The escape illusion is real for the most hardcore. During periods of high inflation, stagnant wages, and high living costs, individuals look for alternative income sources, looking to escape their current situation.
    • And finally, the gig market mindset where everyone feels a need to have a side hustle. Digital income streams with low entry have become popular for fulfilling this mindset.
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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    This is really just a common foot in the door tactic. We didn't have such widespread issue with gambling couple of years prior - now we're desensitised to it appearing within ads. Its sad, because no one really wanted this; and because of it, all we are getting in return is manipulation.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Already put my bet on, £1 for the sweepstake at work.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yea man I barely see any beer commercials anymore. Won’t anyone think of the alcohol companies??

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It's okay, sports aren't that interesting anyway

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Different strokes for different folks

    There's a lot of sports I don't enjoy watching but some are pretty cool IMO

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I gave up watching sports in large part because of the rampant gambling push. I still love the game of football itself and I do miss seeing the excitement and athleticism, but the ads and shitty, greedy owners ruined it for me. In doing so, it also freed up tons of time not playing (and being frustrated by) fantasy sports, so that’s a bonus. A down side is that when someone asks me a sportball question I can only shrug. Overall more time not being on the couch is good and, in my opinion, there seem to be more pressing matters at hand than sports.

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