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[–] 101 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

Pssh, you guys are still on gravity-fusion? My ship has magnetically-bottled antihydrogen, which is carefully fed into a specialized reaction vessel that annihilates it with ordinary hydrogen to produce unbelievable amounts of heat...

...which is then used to boil water and force the steam through a turbine.

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  • [–] 70 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I invented a new power generation method!

    Amazing, is it actually new, or is it steam again

    ... it's steam again.

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    "It's a good power generation method, sir"

    looks inside

    boiling water

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    > ask if new generator is spooky or wet
    > they don't understand
    > show the diagram
    > "it's a good generator mx"
    > go inside
    > it's wet

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  • [–] 51 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    It's like how evolution's perfect form is a crab. Energy's perfect form is spicy water bois

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Fun fact: crabs are only the underwater peak of evolution. Land mammals seem to converge into anteaters, and plants into trees.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If mammals want to survive the next 100 million years we need to see the writing on the wall and evolve into crabeaters

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (24 children)

    Do solar panels operate in this way?

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    Yes, inside of every solar panel is water and tiny turbines. The sun heats the water, when it turns to steam it spins the turbines to generate electricity.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    just like wind turbine right?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Wind turbines use whales and birds, I think it is like in Norse mythology where the wolves Sköll and Hati chase the Sun and moon. But with wind you have whales chasing birds while they are strapped to the blades, this causes them to spin and that generates wind, which fans the flames of fires to boil water and that creates steam.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Solar, wind, tidal, RTG, DEC fusion are all options without steam

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Does hydropower count as cold steam?

    Well I guess all wind power is also steam at a very low concentration heated by a fusion reaction.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Wind and tidal is still just turbines.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah. One uses the passage of a gas over rotating blades. The other uses water as it flows.

    Neither use the passage of gaseous water, so theyre totally different!

    /s

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    In a way. The energy is, in part, used to cook my food which creates an proton gradient across the inner membrane of my mitochondria which then forces those protons through a turbine.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    this is so stupid we should just bioengineer injectable chloroplasts for our skin and power ourselves directly with the sun

    (yes i am currently hungry but don't feel like cooking how can you tell?)

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    I WISH

    Mitochondria + Chloroplast and accompanying UV damage repair systems would be poggers.

    Imagine being able to take a nap and snack at the same time. Totally plant coded and root pilled.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    humans: getting dunked on by corals and lichens, in this category

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Those bastards got it easy ;-;

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    [–] 9 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    I don't know why we don't do this with internal combustion engines (Gasoline or Diesel) all that heat generated by the motor, wasted, it could be used to generate more electricity...

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    We actually do. F1 engine's have something called the MGU-H that recovers exhaust gas energy and turns it into electricity that can be used to recharge the hybrid system: https://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/tech-explained-formula-1-mgu-h/

    Technically any turbocharger is doing the same thing except it's hooked up to a compressor for the intake air instead of a generator.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    They don't have that anymore as it was deemed not relevant enough for road use

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's not quite the same thing, but Porsche has their eTurbo tech in road going cars now: https://www.porsche.com/stories/innovation/porsche-explained-porsche-t-hybrid/

    They're effectively capturing exhaust gas energy straight into a battery, just with a different system.

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  • I'm aware of some large ships that do that, using either a sterling engine or maybe even a steam engine to put waste engine heat to use.

    I have heard of a 6-stroke engine. The idea is, intake compression power exhaust steam exhaust. The four strokes of the Otto or Diesel cycle happen, and then hot high pressure water is injected directly into the cylinder which flashes to steam and expands, pushing the piston, and then another exhaust stroke lets it out. This puts much of the waste heat out through the crankshaft rather than wasting it via radiator. It's not without its problems though.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Thermo dynamics, in short.

    In long, because adding some heat recovery system to the engine block would mean decreasing the cooling efficiency of that block, thus making the block hotter, and decreasing the efficiency of the engine. Since the engine makes power based on the differential of heat/pressure from the top of the stroke and the bottom of the stroke. If you make the system hotter, then less energy can be extracted per unit of heat produced from burning fuel. Any energy generation from the waste heat of the block would be offset by efficiency losses in the engine it’s self.

    Now, most engines don’t actually extract all the energy they could from that differential, which is why turbo chargers are a thing. They use excess heat in the gas exhausted out of the block, expand it to ambient pressure and temperature over a turbine, that turbine then runs a compressor, and that compressor raises the pressure at the air intake. More air entering the engine in the same volume allows for more volume of fuel without having more fuel than oxidizer to burn it, thus increasing the energy density of the charge, increasing the differential in heat between the top and bottom stroke, increasing power and/or efficiency depending on it’s tuning. But that’s not utilizing heat from the engine block, but heat in the exhaust.

    In reality, an internal combustion engine and a turbine operate on the same principle. Make gas hot, it expands and makes a thing move. The difference is just that in a steam turbine, the gas being expanded with heat to do work is steam, and in an internal combustion engine it’s the exhaust gasses of the combustion its self that are expanding to do work. In a piston engine that expansion is acting on a linear reciprocating piston, but in a turbine it’s working on a spinning set of blades in a continual flow. In the middle there is the gas turbine, where the working fluid is the combustion gas and it’s working on a spinning set of blades, this is what a jet engine is.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You'd think with all the mice and rats used for labratory testing, we'd have power generated by rodents running on wheels.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    How many calories does a rat burn everyday though? Instead lets outfit humans with exoskeletons, and instead of assisting the human, it will do the opposite. Their extra energy gets fed into the suit to create electricity. Could also sell it as weight loss thing simultaneously.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    most FTL in scifi surpassed the use of fusion to power thier ships and only used a supplemental power, they went with anti-matter, and vacumn energy

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    2026 we put a helicopter on mars and still no power crystals

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Lots of mars stuff is RTG powered, so no steam. if it makes you feel better it's kind of like a power crystal in they metal is crystal...

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Gawd I love this meme.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    ok i can see the steam turbine powering onboard electrical but explain me how the fuck you're doing space propulsion and/or warp travel with steam

    unless you mean literally just blasting steam like a propellant, Wall-E With the Fire Extinguisher style. in which case you're gonna run outta steam pretty fast

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    Ion thrusters are an example of electricity used for space propulsion.

    In ion thrusters electricity is used to create a magnetic field that accelerate the propellant particles at very high speed. This way the propellant of used much more efficiently.

    Edit: I forgot to mention that it's not a concept, it's actively used in a lot of satellites

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So skimming through the wiki article, it sounds like it it's still "throw something out the back" to generate thrust, which is largely the same problem as the Wall-E with a fire extinguisher problem another commenter made.

    Ion Thrusters sound significantly more efficient (in terms of velocity change vs fuel), but do I have the right idea on that?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Yes, ion thrusters still use conservation of momentum to generate thrust. They aren't limited by how fast or how hot we can make something explode though, so we can shove way more energy into the stuff they're throwing out the back. They're basically tiny coil/railguns, using electricity to move individual ions really fast.

    In terms of efficiency, Ion thrusters are 4 to 40 times better than liquid fueled rockets. The draw back is that ion engines make very little thrust for the mass of the engine.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Yes, just like every new electrical generation method is steam, every new method of propulsion in space is throw something at the back as fast as we can.

    The exception being Project Orion. The idea behind project Orion is to constantly drop and explode nuclear bombs behind the spaceship at a rate of 1 bomb per second. The explosion of the bomb would then push the spaceship forward.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    At some point in the future, it will be trivial to fold spacetime and tunnel through, which needs electricity to charge capacitors and shit because the fuel is energy. You think space travel will be done with gasoline engines?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So we figured out the most efficient way to generate electricity 100 years ago, and you guys just whinge and want something new.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Space ship science works differently. You don't need "power" except for the computers, you just need "thrust" and any fuel you use is likely insufficient for long term travel.

    So we sailing the solar seas bois.(Literally, solar sails) unless warp drives are somehow real.*

    *Am not space boat science man.

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  • It’s to boil water again, isn’t it

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    We're already well on the way to having supercritical CO2 generators. Sure, it's still a steam engine, but supercritical CO2 makes it sound so much sciencier.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    it is always a steam turbine :)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Go to 8:56 here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bDXXWQxK38

    There's still hope we can move past steam generation.

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