i mean, they can run the plasma through some magnetic fields...
But it's less efficient that boiling water.
i mean, they can run the plasma through some magnetic fields...
But it's less efficient that boiling water.
except for solar and wind, i guess. also the thingy where you catch electrons directly from nuclear decay.
There are also some chemical modes of electricity generation (Alkalai batteries, etc). Also using flowing water to move Turbines like dams.
But then the meme isn't as fun here, and those are such a small minority of how we generate powers.
Even then all of them but solar are just spinning a wheel.
You could maybe catch lightning and store it. That’s not boiling water … what’s that? It is boiling water?
Some types of solar are also just boiling water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_tower
There's also Direct Energy Conversion, Radiophotovoltaics and Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators, but none of those are practical for large scales (and only DEC works with fusion, hypothetically)
We never left steam engines really.
Make alternator spin. Is only way.
I refuse to believe this.
You're telling me that Humanity is able to understand what goes on at the heart of stars, and is on the brink of being able to harness that power ("Soon TM"), and the best we can come up with is a big tea kettle? I'm not buying it.
There's got to be a better way of capturing all that energy - like, solar panels but for other types of radiation? Or if that's not possible because wavelengths or something , maybe make something glow and use normal panels? Or like, can't we take a particle accelerator and flip it around and pull energy from the particles that go zooming?
I'm sure there's a reason why all of that is hard, but surely not impossible?
The majority of the energy released will be heat, relatively few high energy photons are released so ‘solar’ isn’t a viable option and your suggestion about a particle accelerator just doesn’t make any sense.
Boiling water is literally the best way to capture the energy released.
And to be clear, it's harnessing the energy released by state changes in materials.
Water is just the most abundant, cleanest, and most effective material to state change and harness.
I'm not disputing what the current gold standard is, I'm looking for theoretical possibilities.
When you say heat, in fusion, most of the energy would be a neutron moving really fast, right? It sucks that it doesn't have a charge because then it would be really easy, but there's options here if we get creative.
Maybe there's some sort of material yet to be invented that can be slapped by a neutron and "deformed" in a way that causes electrons to shift/make holes and exploit that to make electricity.
And that free neutron will eventually decay into a proton and electron, and those have a charge, so if we keep them going around a loop until that happens perhaps we could harness it.
We've gotten really, really good at extracting energy from steam, steam turbines can be incredibly efficient, I can't recall exact figures but Wikipedia cites 90% as the top end.
True, but that's just one part of the process, and it's not comparing to the initial energy in the source fuel.
If nothing else, there's an absolute efficiency limit from Carnot's theorem, but in reality it's much lower, even for the most modern and efficient gas plants, the limit seems to be ~60%, and for nuclear or coal, it's even lower at around 30-40%.
You identified the solution. Use a solar panel and let the reactor in the center of our system do the work. Add a batteries to make up for being blocked. Today, solar AND batteries are cheaper than fission reactors. Fusion has promise, but why over invest in a maybe when you can use the technology we have today? Is it because It has an end game where you don't infinity extract resources? Who would want that?
I believe there is a generator with functional prototypes in the US and China that uses supercritical CO2? I mean its basically a steam engine but using a different medium and potentially even more efficient.
If they make an artificial sun inside a donut why don’t they line the donut with solar panels? Are they stupid?
But you'd have to allow the sun to leak out of the donut, and I'm not too sure that sun-leaking donuts are OSHA approved.
Real answer: The sheer amount of neutron radiation thrown off by fusion would mechanically erode the panels. This is why the Lockheed Martin fusion reactor they claimed to have built is complete BS - their design ignored the requirement to shield their superconductors from the neutron radiation, allowing them to be placed far closer to the reaction (and thus vastly lower the power requirements). While it could have theoretically worked briefly, it would have eaten itself into radioactive dust astoundingly quickly.
Fusion is still five years off, right?
N+5 years off, where n is the current year. We'll get there one day!
IIRC, most of the people that actually work at ITER don't expect to live to see commercial fusion.
We've achieved controlled ignition several times, but there's a lot of steps still between that and delivering fusion power to your local grid, and I don't think I would trust anyone to give a concrete timeline.
I really thought Polywell Fusion would be the trick, but Australians (and probably the US DoD) have good evidence it doesn't "scale" in a way that will give a energy-positive/fuel-negative cycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell#University_of_Sydney_experiments
It's going to be a hell of a lot faster with all those oil wells burning
no no no, it's
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years off.
We keep getting closer, but by smaller increments.
Yeah, water is fuckin' sick. Thermohydraulics is awesome.
It melts salt, isn’t it?
If you mean molten salt reactors, guess what they do with the molten salt to make electricity...
...they found a clever way to induce a current using temperature differentials between the molten salt and some sort of coolant mass?
and that coolant mass' name?
Wow, that's the first time I've seen the source of the bald meme
Let's separate CO2 from atmosphere and use it to run such generators. Win win. But don't ask physics about this top much
Actually, I remember that on iceland they were injecting CO2 into rock, and it was shipped to them from ... Swicerland, I think, in shipping tanks. It was captured from concrete manufacturing plants, which apparently produce a ton if it. So there you go - cheap CO2 is not a problem
I doubt the amount used in what I presume is a closed system like this will be significant on a atmosphere level, but it could certainly be the source. If nothing else would make a great headline.
We can't make it so large that its own gravity will contain the reaction mass, so it has to be kept inside a very strong magnetic field created by huge magnets. You can't put solar panels inside the reaction chamber, they would get destroyed.
I fell like it should be possible to make solar panels that don't contain iron, nickel, or cobalt.
Yep! And fun fact, online encryption relies on basically exactly this technology (radioactive decay, not fusion, but hey it's close enough if you squint). Radiophotovoltaic batteries provide uninterrupted current, which is used to ensure that encryption keys (stored in highly volatile memory for security) are not lost due to a brief power flicker.
I was so hoping helion was going to work. They were trying to recapture the pulse in magnetic confinement when fusion pulsed. Eliminating steam would be awesome.
Humanity invents the most advanced tech ever… still ends up boiling water 😂
I swear we are going to be travelling to other planets and the biggest issue is going to be how do we stop water leaking into space from our steam turbines.
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