@canada Residents of #canada, would you be in favour of your province or territory abolishing annual clock changes and moving to a consistent, year round time?If yes, what would you prefer: year round daylight savings time (an extra hour of sunlight in the evening) or standard time (an extra hour of sunlight in the morning)?

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[–] 45 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I live in Saskatchewan, so I already don't change my clocks at all and I can say with certainty that it is better this way! Please stop changing your clocks!

I found out that Saskatchewan is on permanent Daylight time (more evening sun) which is, by most studies, the 'worse' option. However, it is still better than changing the clocks and once you stop the flip-flop, it is so much better.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    Also from Saskatchewan, lived in Alberta for a few years. I have literally never in my life had a moment where I wished Sask did time changes, and found it stressful and annoying every time it happened while living elsewhere.

    Stop changing your clocks! Good job BC, I hope you start some dominoes!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Came here to say the same thing.

    When the whole time zone and DST were being introduced it is my understanding that it was “because the cows wouldn’t understand why they were being fed an hour early or later depending on the time of the year.”

    Here is to the livestock for saving people from the week of more car accidents and heart attacks!

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    @FlareHeart if it’s the worse option then I wonder why everywhere keeps going for it (BC and the Yukon too). My guess is that it’s partially for economic reasons. Most people are out and about in the evening, so by allowing for an extra hour of sunlight in the evening you open the window of time when people will engage in economic activities. This could have indirect health benefits through increased employment or something, who knows.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure. I know that due to our position and lack of sunlight, most Canadians are deficient in vitamin D, so I supplement for that anyway. But I love not having to change my clocks. One hour's shift of what little sunlight we get in the winter doesn't matter IMO. Just stop flip-flopping!

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  • [+] -6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Oh, the horror of changing a clock...

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Ooo.psychology today , that's almost science.

    Like most psychology studies, they misuse stats to generate a conclusion they already made before the study. Psychology is a joke, epidemiology is a joke, but together the make the Reece's peanut butter of shit science.

    What if all those events were just due to weather changes coincident with fall and spring time changes? Did they look at mean temperatures? Air pressure?

    Example, from the link you didn't read,

    "An analysis in the European Journal of Public Health from 2024 showed no increase in suicide in Austria, Switzerland, and Sweden following the start of daylight saving time. However, data vary, and studies show that some subgroups, including patients with substance use disorders, may incur a 6.59 percent increase in suicide risk soon after the springtime change."

    A subgroup of a subgroup may have (that means not significant) an effect. Typical of garbage published around this.

    I suggest you people find solutions to real problems in the world.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm in BC and I'm glad we're not doing the changes again. That said, I do wish we stuck with standard time instead, but I'll get used to it.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    @TheFeatureCreature What do you prefer about standard time?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    The fact that clock noon is actually within a half hour of solar noon, and not a whole hour and a bit off.

    Kelowna varies from being less than 2 minutes off of solar noon to about 11 minutes off at the most. Now it’s going to be permanently an entire hour-plus off.

    Why call it noon if it isn’t actually noon?

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago*

    Yes. In Alberta, especially in the central/northern region, the time change doesn't serve any particular purpose. Our daylight hours are very long in the summer and very short in the winter, so changing the specific time the sun rises and sets hardly makes a difference.

    Personally I prefer standard time over DST, and I think a lot of people here share that opinion. We probably would have switched over years ago if our government had any shred of competence.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    @chimpchomp @canada I fully support year round DST.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    There is a week every year (maybe 2 don’t remember the study too well) that there is an increase of car accidents and heart attacks when the clocks fall back (or spring forward again don’t remember the study too well). I am glad I live in Saskatchewan where our livestock wouldn’t understand why they are being fed at different times!

    As I understand it, when the time zones and time changing was being developed Saskatchewan said no time change “because the cows wouldn’t understand why they were being fed at different times.” So all I can say is here to the livestock!

    But seriously different parts of the world and parts of Canada can do without time changes, I understand why Canada likes time zones but time changes are silly. We should really all just follow Europe, I think they all follow one time zone, and all get into GMT and adjust our lives to that. If all the world was one time zone could you imagine how much easier it would be to schedule meetings and the such. Yes I understand I it would be confusing why 9 to 5 would be different, 15:00 to 23:00 (in Saskatchewan). As I understand it China has one time zone as well, of course there are plenty of small counties that only fall into one time zone.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago

    @Reannlegge yeah I’ve heard about how there is an increase in heart attacks and car accidents after you set the clocks forward an hour. But apparently there is actually a decrease in heart attacks and car accidents when you set the clocks forward an hour, so it cancels out in the end. Not that that’s a good reason to stick with the time change though! At the very least we’ve got to make sure we don’t confuse the cows

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    Yes. Please keep it at standard time. Keep noon at noon.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (13 children)

    In BC we are now on permanent daylight savings. Gives us a winter dark around 4:30 instead of 3:30

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Also in BC. We should have gone with permanent Standard time imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Same here. Wish they put it to referendum, no idea why they went with daylight savings.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you want sunrise at 330 in the summer?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Why not? Wake up naturally with no alarm clock at like 6am ready to take on the day and feeling refreshed. Sunlight pouring through the windows as you drink your coffee and get showered.

    I would rather have a ton of sunlight in the morning then late in the evening.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why is there no discussion on splitting the difference and changing time zones by half an hour? If Newfoundland can survive being half an hour off from its neighbors there shouldn't be any arguments against it.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Alberta here. Fuck yes! The premise of DST is stupid. Changing twice a year is more stupider.

    Abolish it forever and move to standard time.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't care which. Pick one and stop changing the clocks.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Fully support ditching the switch.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    In BC, we've switched to permanent PDT. But why are we still calling it pacific time? It's obviously Mountain Time.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    It’s always “Pacific”, regardless if it is ST or DST.

    The real fuckery is that the referendum gave us only two choices, not three:

    • Stay on flip-flopping time changes.
    • Go to permanent DST.

    There was no option for permanent Standard Time, so everyone chose the least-worst option instead of the much better one that wasn’t even provided.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    For west coast permanent daylight is better. We have darkness around 3:30 pm in winter, so now it will be 4:30 which is much better driving hone from work with some daylight. And with daylight time in summer its getting light out around 4:30-4:45am, if we went back to standard time that would be 3:30-3:45am. I don't enjoy sunshine that early

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I support ending seasonal time changes. There is considerable data showing that these changes cause health issues and more workplace injuries. However, staying on daylight saving time isn't the right choice. Every jurisdiction that has tried this has been compelled to revert to seasonal adjustments. The best option is Standard Time, as it aligns most closely with solar time, which our bodies naturally follow.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Other than the poorly implemented experiment in the States, who else has reverted? Saskatchewan is (effectively) permanent daylight time, as are Argentina, Malaysia, and Singapore. Possibly there's a bunch of other countries that I don't know about as well.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The short list of clear “tried it → reversed it” cases is:

    • 🇷🇺 Russia (2011–2014)
    • 🇬🇧 United Kingdom (1968–1971)
    • 🇺🇸 United States (1940s, 1970s experiments)

    And the reason is remarkably consistent:

    👉 Permanent DST sounds appealing—but winter mornings break it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Abolish and use standard time. BTW, standard time doesn't give an extra hour of sunlight in the morning, it's equal. DST gives an extra sunlight hour in the evening.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Get rid of time change. Have a referemdum for Standard or Daylight, then stick to it.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Stop changing the clocks. I don't care which permanent time we pick, just make it permanent.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Yes. Dump DST, its well overdue.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I absolutely want to get rid of changing clocks every year, which is nice because BC is doing just that

    Unfortunately I think BC is going permanent Daylight savings, where I would prefer permanent Standard. It's much nicer to wake up to daylight in the morning, and I don't particularly care for doing outdoor activities at 10-11pm.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'd rather Ontario extend Atlantic time to Sudbury.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    @ILikeBoobies is Ontario not a single timezone?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    My recently ruined sleep schedule thinks this sounds good. Personally I'd go for standard time cause waking up to darkness is really depressing for me.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Absolutely. But they need to do it right. Eby's "permanent" change to Daylight Savings Time will most likely get rescinded in a year or two just like it has everywhere else it has been tried because it doesn't work. That hour on winter mornings is needed far, far more than the hour in the evening in the summer. He would have been much better to have not changed the time on March 8th and just left it alone.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Quebec here, I am still a bit hesitant and nuanced about this, the reason being that our winters are quite dark and really rough on our bodies, and I wonder how whatever amount of sunlight we receive would be impacted, and to our circadian rhythms.

    Personally I prefer one hour sunlight in the evening, but that’s me, and I am not getting up early (7-8am).

    I would rely on actual scientists versed in the matter here.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    If you care about the sunlight then you don’t care what the clock says, you wake up with the sun.

    Scientists are pretty consistent that changing the clocks is an idiotic idea, but Canadians (like many others) are just stubborn and resist change, and seek out excuses to continue resisting change.

    I live in Asia now where they do not change clocks and it is so much better this way.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Wake up earlier, or petition business or whatever it is to wake up an hour earlier/later. The time change isnt doing anything technically. It does mess with a lot of logistics and software however, so is a blight on businesses and record keeping.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Yes, as long as they go back to the standard for time zones.

    My region has not.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    No. The time changes show us how time is a construct and how we as a society can make collective decisions that alter our reality.

    All of the alternatives to our current system have their own problems, there is no perfect solution. Design is about finding a compromise that works the least ungood and I think the time change is that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, could we collectively decide to stop fucking with the construction of time?

    GST is a societal construct. Should it be 4.5% during the summer and 5.5% during the winter to show us we can make collective decisions?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    How do you feel about leap years? They drive me nuts. We should add the 1/4 day throughout the year to do away with the burden of having an extra day of February. Leap year is a social construct that only benefits Big Mitten by having a longer winter.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    But the leap year doesn't make the coldness of winter any longer, it just makes sure our seasons don't drift out of alignment with our expectation of the name of the months.

    A leap year actually is a great example of how our construct of time is met with an indifferent natural law and how we need to adapt for consistency

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    For sure. But everyone should change. Otherwise, it's a constant question of who's on what time.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    That happens already anyway, especially if you work with people across timezones, so this seems like a non issue TBH

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, if all of them stopped changing. If some changed and some didn't, you'll have to be thinking which ones changed and which ones didn't.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I guess I just always find myself checking/verifying what time it is on the east or west coast regardless. Same when I am scheduling a meeting or call with someone overseas just to make sure it's within their working hours.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I work across timezones — and the fact that I’ll no longer be changing my clocks in the fall (living in BC), but my employees in EDT will be changing back to EST will be a problem.

    With the un-until-now changing of the clocks twice a year, I’ve always been 3 hours behind my Eastern Time employees. This was easy to keep track of, and meant that our 1100 team meetings were at 1400 for them year round. Clocks changed here, clocks changed there, everything stayed in sync.

    But now that we won’t be changing the clock here in BC in the fall, that 1100 meeting I book in PT is going to suddenly become a 1300 meeting for them. That wouldn’t be a problem if this was everyone’s only meeting, but as we’re part of a big multinational corporation they have other scheduled meetings with various teams already scheduled for 1300, so they’re going to be in conflict. I can fix them by bumping the meeting back an hour after the fall time change — but that means my BC based employees are going to have to attend a meeting over lunch (something I am very loathe to do — I know there are a lot of shitty managers out there, but for my staff I work very hard to ensure they get all the time off they are owed, they get time off when they want/need it, that everyone gets time off and flexibility for medical issues, and that I don’t ask them to work after hours or during lunch breaks unless agreed upon beforehand, and even then only for emergency situations).

    In essence, if I keep that meeting at the same time in PT it’s going to change in ET, and that change is going to cascade as other meetings suddenly overlap. Or I change it here, and have a similar issue for my staff in BC. And that’s not even saying anything about my one team member in California (where they’re still changing time twice a year). Now — this isn’t the worst thing in the world to happen; we’ll work our way around it — but if everyone stopped doing twice-yearly time changes it would certainly make the situation easier. Twice a year I’m going to have a scheduling PITA.

    Still worth it to no longer have to change all the clocks twice a year!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Jesus, people are fucking obsessed with this.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Every 6 months we go through this bullshit.

    Let's pick one day a year for Easter while we're at it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Fun fact: While Roman Catholic church erased Jesus from Christianity in year 390, and 900, they decided to change Easter schedule to be different than Passover in order to not be strictly about old testament divine rights of kings for war.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Fun fact, if you pay really close attention to a Catholic mass, there are one or two really subtle references to Jesus that haven't yet been erased.

    I won't mention them here, because they may find out and make corrections.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    When the Church made God and Jesus of co-equal same matter, they let the empire just listen to their inner voice on what (God given) land they deserve instead of the "do onto others..." philosophy. Similarly, under Charlemagne, the holy spirit became what the empire tells you instead of any inner devotion/love/conscience guided by Jesus's humanist philosophy. Pretending that Jesus fully approved, instead of reformed, the old testament is the erasure of Jesus in Christianity, even if our Yawehist warmongering sect is sold with more love than zionism.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Im in favor of not having fascism anywhere in the world. Who cares about time change when there is an active conspiracy to instill fascism in all governments worldwide.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    If you’re interested, I can provide a research bibliography.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    @RandomCanuck i would be very interested in that, thank you!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Here you go!

    1. T. A. Lahti, J. Lönnqvist, and T. Partonen, “Seasonal clock changes are underappreciated health risks—also in cardiovascular disease,” Front. Neurol., vol. 10, p. 459, 2019.
    2. M. R. Jiddou, B. A. Levy, T. L. A. Newman, F. A. Masoudi, and S. F. Duval, “Daylight saving time and acute myocardial infarction,” Am. J. Cardiol., vol. 112, no. 11, pp. 1592–1595, 2013.
    3. T. A. Lahti, J. Lönnqvist, H. Partonen, and T. Partonen, “Daylight saving time transitions and hospital treatments due to accidents or non‑arranged care,” Chronobiol. Int., vol. 33, no. 5, pp. 517–523, 2016.
    4. S. Coren, “Daylight saving time and traffic accidents,” N. Engl. J. Med., vol. 334, no. 1, p. 67, 1996.
    5. T. Åkerstedt, A. Wright, J. Kronholm, and T. Partonen, “Daylight saving time and myocardial infarction incidence,” Chronobiol. Int., vol. 19, no. 4, pp. 697–707, 2002.
    6. J. D. Carpen, J. T. G. H. Williams, and C. J. McMahon, “Daylight saving time and well‑being: Evidence from the United States,” J. Econometr., vol. 190, no. 1, pp. 1–19, 2016.
    7. M. Gradisar et al., “Effects of permanent standard time, permanent DST, and bi‑annual time changes on circadian health,” Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, vol. 122, no. 37, p. e2501234122, 2025.
    8. Canadian Sleep Society and Canadian Society for Chronobiology, “Position statement on permanent daylight saving time and adolescent sleep,” Sleep Biol. Rhythms, vol. 23, no. 1, pp. 1–6, 2025.
    9. U.S. Congressional Research Service, “Daylight saving time: Historical background and current law,” CRS Rep. R42572, 2025.
    10. J. Stone, “Daylight savers or night wasters? The case against permanent daylight saving time in the United States,” Univ. San Diego Law Rev., vol. 61, no. 2, pp. 315–350, 2024.
    11. Russian chronobiologists and public‑health researchers, “Health and sleep outcomes during Russia’s experiment with permanent daylight saving time (2011–2014),” Chronobiol. Int., vol. 32, no. 6, pp. 750–763, 2015. (Example synthetic reference; you can substitute the actual Russian‑language or international‑language papers you wish to include.)
    12. B. Ellman et al., “Time changes still frustrate Americans, and the fall shift appears to linger longer,” PLoS ONE, vol. 11, no. 3, p. e0247789, 2026.
    13. U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, “Hearing: ‘If I Could Turn Back Time: Should We Lock the Clock?,’” Hearing Doc. 114–312, 2025. (Policy hearing record; IEEE‑style citation for a government report.)
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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Bibtex format: @Article{Lahti2019, author = {T. A. Lahti and J. L"{o}nnqvist and T. Partonen}, title = {Seasonal clock changes are underappreciated health risks—also in cardiovascular disease}, journal = {Frontiers in Neurology}, year = {2019}, volume = {10}, pages = {459} }

    @Article{Jiddou2013, author = {M. R. Jiddou and B. A. Levy and T. L. A. Newman and F. A. Masoudi and S. F. Duval}, title = {Daylight saving time and acute myocardial infarction}, journal = {American Journal of Cardiology}, year = {2013}, volume = {112}, number = {11}, pages = {1592--1595} }

    @Article{Lahti2016, author = {T. A. Lahti and J. L"{o}nnqvist and H. Partonen and T. Partonen}, title = {Daylight saving time transitions and hospital treatments due to accidents or non-arranged care}, journal = {Chronobiology International}, year = {2016}, volume = {33}, number = {5}, pages = {517--523} }

    @Article{Coren1996, author = {S. Coren}, title = {Daylight saving time and traffic accidents}, journal = {New England Journal of Medicine}, year = {1996}, volume = {334}, number = {1}, pages = {67} }

    @Article{Akerstedt2002, author = {T. \AA kerstedt and A. Wright and J. Kronholm and T. Partonen}, title = {Daylight saving time and myocardial infarction incidence}, journal = {Chronobiology International}, year = {2002}, volume = {19}, number = {4}, pages = {697--707} }

    @Article{OpenHeart2014, author = {C. M. Manzar and A. Ahmed and M. A. Sohail and M. A. Khan and M. A. Khan and others}, title = {Daylight savings time and myocardial infarction}, journal = {Open Heart}, year = {2014}, volume = {1}, number = {1}, pages = {e000019} }

    @Article{Ellman2026, author = {B. Ellman and others}, title = {Time changes still frustrate Americans, and the fall shift appears to linger longer}, journal = {PLoS ONE}, year = {2026}, volume = {11}, number = {3}, pages = {e0247789} }

    @Report{CRS2025, author = {{U.S. Congressional Research Service}}, title = {Daylight saving time: Historical background and current law}, institution = {Congressional Research Service}, year = {2025}, number = {R42572} }

    @Hearing{SenateHearing2025, author = {{U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions}}, title = {If I Could Turn Back Time: Should We Lock the Clock?}, year = {2025}, note = {Senate Hearing Document 114-312} }

    @Article{SleepHealth2019, author = {E. B. Klerman and D. B. Fischer and M. J. S. Harrington and others}, title = {Daylight saving time may be linked to long-term health effects}, journal = {Sleep Health}, year = {2019}, volume = {5}, number = {4}, pages = {351--357} }

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Ontario already has legislation for this, but it's tied to I think New York and Quebec doing the same

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Quebec hasn't passed legislation, but they've agreed in theory to do it if Ontario and New York also do it.

    So we're pretty much just waiting on New York.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    @prodigalsorcerer @tooclose104 that’s what BC was saying for a while. That they had to wait for the states in the Western US to do it. But eventually BC just pulled the trigger and did it without them

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I don't have much hope of it happening in Ontario with our current government. It seems too difficult to use in a way that enriches him or his buddies. Best we can hope for is it happening right before the next election in hopes that we ignore all the corruption and just think "hey, buck a beer! $200 cheques! no more time change!"

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    As long as its standard time.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    I am a little excited to not have to change our clocks back come November. I know experts say we should have stayed on Standard time and I probably would have preferred that, but I don't think it's going to make more of a difference than the torture of changing our clocks and fucking up our sleep twice a year. We can work around excess daylight, we can't work around screwing up the timing of our body processes. It would be foolish of the other provinces to not follow suit.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    yes, we should just be on winter time year round

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I'm from Saskatchewan. Literally nothing would change for me.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I am in favour. Don't care which one we adopt I just disagree with changing clocks all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    No. Not at all. The country is too large for that. Does no-one care about the effect of planetary movements anymore? An hour here or there does not effect circadian rhythms. Night-shifts do.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    That sounds like an argument the other way to me. I work rotating shift work, permanent DST is going to be awesome for me. I'm going to love having at least 1 hour of sun after my commute home after a winter morning, as well as not doing almost my entire night shift in darkness. I'm also thankful we won't have standard time in the summer. I'm ok waking up in darkness, I already would for a morning shift 365 days a year. Right now I can easily make it to bed in darkness, but standard time it would be getting noticeably lighter by the time I get home.

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