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[–] 294 points 8 months ago (27 children)

What distinguishes zebras from horses is that zebras live in anonymous herds. That is, they like to clump together to ward off predators, but they don’t know or like each other. They are not a uniform group with a leader. Horses on the other hand do have authorities and followers among them. And humans can hijack the role of the leader.

CGPGrey: The Real Reason We Don’t Ride Zebras (6:23)

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  • [–] 151 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    zebras live in anonymous herds. That is, they like to clump together to ward off predators, but they don’t know or like each other.

    Zebra's don't like anyone, and they're not afraid to show it. Repeatedly.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)

    This makes me wonder... How much of what he says is just conjecture? Do we ACTUALLY know with good certainty that zebras can't be domesticated due to their nature? Or is it just a hypothesis/theory that has reached widespread popularity?

    I have heard that zebras (along with other African animals) can't be domesticated because they have evolved to live among humans, when we were still man-apes. But that maybe that's just conjecture too.

    Note how he have no sources in his video or description. And his comparison to chickens, cows, sheep and cats don't seem to make much sense. The relation between humans and chickens/cows/sheep is markedly different from that of horses. Do wild fowl really have family structures? Cats don't yet they are still docile among humans.

    Edit: even if we really can't do we know the reason why?

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    Yes, people have tried to domesticate zebras before and they're just too ornery.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    But what if we spent longer time doing it? Like centuries, like with most other domesticated animals.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure why you've been downvoted because you absolutely could domesticate them given sufficient time and consistent selective breeding. You could turn them into crabs if you wanted to. The trouble is that they don't have a very social disposition, so no one is motivated to dedicating their entire bloodline to the project. Most domestication happened kind of on accident as we developed symbiotic or exploitative relationships with various species.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Might take more than centuries, but yes.

    We have a rescue dog from Korea as well as some neighbours ( not a standard breed, but a Korean Village dog, they basically live alongside humans as a breed but developed their own way). They are much different than "normal" dogs. They are more like cats. Their way on their terms. Like other dogs, don't enjoy humans much. So even though they are domesticated, they still show the old lineage of being independent. My dogs idea of a good time is never chasing a stick or ball, but finding the highest vantage point at a park and watching everyone. A carryover from watching the plains from the hillside, or something.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Domesticated animals generally start out already being somewhat agreeable. Like dogs hung around us, and work in a pack mentality, horses same thing, cats same thing. That's why we could domesticate racoons or some rodents if we wanted to.

    Zebras are assholes and hate everyone

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Foxes didn't have many domesticatable features, but it just took the Soviets 40 years or so to domesticate them. It really might just be nobody spent 100 years trying.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ehhh... Can you really call wolves friendly?

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    What distinguishes zebras from horses is that zebras live in anonymous herds.

    says a lot about 4chan, the penny arcade GIFT theory, etc

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    With how Facebook forces real names, the idea that being anonymous has any influence where or not someone is a fuckwad had been debunked.

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  • [–] 52 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's not the anonimity that makes people fuckwads. It's the lack of immediate consequences. A fuckwad won't get a punch in the face for what they say on facebook, hence they feel they can say anything and be a fuckwad.

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  • [–] 87 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    The Cow says: Moo!

    The Horse says: Neigh!

    The Zebra says: I ain't nobody's bitch!

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  • [–] 77 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Horse-shaped, but definitely not a horse.

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  • [–] 54 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    β€œMotherfucker, do you see the way I look?! Shit ain’t for the insta, that’s for sure. I’m quite visible to you so you have a long enough time to be getting far the fuck away from me.”

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I thought the stripes were actually camouflage and they’re just monochromatic because the things they’re hiding from have poor color vision.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago

    Latest theory I heard was:

    A 2014 study found a correlation between striping and overlap with horse and tsetse fly populations and activity. Other studies have found that zebras are rarely targeted by these insect species. Caro and colleagues (2019) studied captive zebras and horses and observed that neither could deter flies from a distance, but zebra stripes kept flies from landing, both on zebras and horses dressed in zebra print coats. […] White or light stripes painted on dark bodies have also been found to reduce fly irritations in both cattle and humans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    There's some accounts throughout history, but humans generally leave them alone. They're aggressive creatures surrounded by even more aggressive killing machines. So it stands to reason that an animal in that environment would be pretty tough to tame.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What you don't spot on that picture is the front "zebra" in the back, is a painted horse. Apparently that helped the zebras remain more calm

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Literally everything in Africa has evolved to run away from humans, because when animals hear human speech and don't run away they get eaten or domesticated.

    When you look at a map of domesticated animals origins, not a single one comes from Africa. All the animals there know what humans are like no matter how we try fooling them.

    Oh yah here's the video sourcing that shit I just listened to today https://youtu.be/EqGxxWvDXsM

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    Other zebras: good luck with that, bye!

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    Yeah they survive for a reason. They’re very tough.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    In the 1980s, in Tijuana, tourist kids could ride horses painted like zebras.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    One of them is killing a freaking alligator.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hey, stop it zebra, you have to adhere to the rules of the food chain!

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I honestly wonder if we actually COULD domesticate zebras but it would taking centuries or millennia. Just like other domesticated species.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    No. Zebras don't have a herd hierarchy we can exploit. With horses you pick out the lead horse, tame it and boom, the whole herd follows you.
    With zebras you get one zebra, if you're very lucky. More likely you'll get kicked and bitten.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Like African wild cats! You'd just get some hell monster that doesn't do what it's told and attacks you at random.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Selective breeding is no different than natural evolution in how drastically it can change an organism given enough time and the right selections for β€œfitness”.

    So you could produce a domesticated, tame zebra – but waiting on and favoring the right mutations would take a very long time and be prohibitively expensive. It’s possible, but not realistically feasible.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    steps on a butterfly

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Did you ever see the size of a zebra?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    They are also not suited to be riding them, even if they were tame.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Horses aren't either, and people still do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    No, i mean, Zebras have a weaker back and are also smaller.

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago (16 children)
  • [–] 97 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Spoken like someone who knows nothing about zebras. They're not striped because of camouflage; that's their prison uniform, and they are all violent offenders.

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  • [–] 52 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    There's not many animals that haven't been domesticated because they're cunts. And zebras are one.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Cats on the other hand are domesticated despite being cunts and we absolutely adore them.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    We only adore cats because of the parasites controlling our minds.

    There is a distinct correlation between cats taking over homes and the spread of that thing

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I've been tested - don't have it, and I love cats. Part of the cat magic is they're not really cunts and many people can see it. Also, the parasite doesn't need you to love cats, it just needs you to not run away from them and to go get eaten by them. If you have a paper showing the correlation, I'd be really interested though - I have a soft spot for this topic, because I got close to a research group focused on it at the uni.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Hm it's not a fake picture apparently but the situation is definitely not as implied.

    Thanks for sharing!

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