https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_tree
I... did not know about this previously
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploding_tree
I... did not know about this previously
Ok, I live in Alberta, Canada. I grew up in the woods of Northern Alberta. We can get week long bouts of -40Β°C/F and I have NEVER seen or heard of exploding trees in the area. Are American trees just weak, or is this fake?
I'm going to guess it has to do with how quickly the temperature change occurs, or other environmental factors prior to the freeze. It seems to be a somewhat rare occurrence, even in places where it gets very cold
In Alberta a chinook can make the temp go from -20 to 20 in a matter of hours, the same backwards.
Huh TIL
The maximum daily temperature anomaly associated with the wind ranges from +13Β°C in the northwest to +25Β°C in the southeast. The temperature rise at the onset of the event is abrupt and steep; an increase of 27Β°C in 2 minutes has been observed.
They also create clippers on their way to the states, hence the term Alberta Clipper.
The chinook, which in part originates the Alberta clipper, usually brings relatively warm weather (often approaching 10Β Β°C (50Β Β°F) in the depths of winter) to southern Alberta itself, and the term is therefore not used in Alberta.
We uhhβ¦. Just had a chinook last week, sorry.
Does wind chill make water freeze faster?
Yes. It pulls the surface heat out faster. But, the lakes have been frozen over for weeks now, (18" on the lake I live next to-- we are driving pickup trucks on it to go ice fishing).
I think so. Wind chill is a roundabout way of comparing the capacity for heat extraction of moving air vs stagnant air.
The helicopter?
It was raining here two weeks ago. Temperatures were in the 20-30s earlier this week. It's being far below freezing AND recent warm weather that's the danger.
It isn't common, and explode is an exaggeration for what I have seen - just cracked bark (though the crack was probably abrupt and loud). Montana gets some every now and again, so I am guessing at least some parts of Alberta do too. Nobody has made a big deal about it in the past outside of folks interested in trees. This is some weird media hype.
The use of the word "explode" is misleading. It's definitely misinformation.
Here's an arborist talking about it, but basically:
Trees move sap and other liquids up and down their trunk from the soil underneath regularly. For trees like maples, this is where maple syrup comes from, except you have to collect a lot of sap and reduce it down to syrup.
The arborist claims that these liquids present in the tree when the temperature swings faster than the tree can respond expand due to freezing, which buckles tree trunks causing the outer bark to crack open and separate. The cracks can be from the ground up, or they can look like gashes in the side of the tree. There's moisture in the soil too, which can shift tree roots and cause similar cracking.
People say "explode" because there's usually a popping sound when this happens.
In other contexts, people call this frost upheave. Engineers know about this phenomenon, and try to bury equipment like pipes and cable and conduit below the frost line so frost upheave doesn't crack and break that stuff. With trees, this frost upheave just takes place inside the trees themselves.
Ok, that makes sense. I figured that, if anything, it would be frost weathering. That's not an "explosion" in my mind though. Perhaps when a crack forms a lot of the tension in the wood is released and it can cause a sudden jolt or shift? If all the snow and frost on a tree suddenly jumped off after a loud crack I could see someone calling that an explosion. Definitely a lot of misleading terms and info kicking around. Thanks!
I'd guess it's the species that grow there. If they regularly see -40C they'd have to have evolved to cope with it.
t could also be part of how they grow - i dunno maybe narrower / more flexible rings, better insulation, or better ways to store sap in winter conditions.
I assume this is in an area where such a temperature is very rare.
Most trees do have some radial cracks in them though - probably just some very rare cases those cracks get big enough for the tree to fall or split visibly on the outside and someone calls it an "explosion" for dramatic effect.
I have been in extreme cold and not heard of this either. When it gets below 0 f, they make noises, like cracking, but just noise.
The trees don't "explode" but young spindly trees can shatter if the conditions are just right, (and they are not right now). It's very rare to have happen.
Source: I live in northern Minnesota. And I live closer to Winnipeg than the Twin cities.
Sometimes I think how Minnesota is ranked the least stressed stateΒ
Other times I just think how
Maybe for the same reason that the Nordic countries are ranked as the happiest
Beer and cheese
Minnesota was super chill when I was there a couple years ago.
There is a tremendous amount of inner peace knowing that your environment can reach out and kill you if it chooses to and you are unlucky.
The trees don't actually explode. They crack open.
Words are meaningful
Idk why the left side of ND is excluded, it's -36 in Williston today.
The trees have probably already exploded. It's how they knew to warn those east of them.
The danger of most things that explode, goes away once they explode.
Depends how big they explode
Beyond a certain point, there are explosions that only really start being a problem at the point of explosion
It's probably more about large variances in temperature over a shorter period. If it's already -36 today and been similarly cold recently then the trees are already frozen. There isn't a risk from internal liquid water freezing and expanding.
Because you guys don't have trees........
-20F is -28C. I remember it hit -28C one time when I was a kid. I was walking around a forest and no trees exploded.
It's not a common thing. And they don't "explode" as much as shatter. It does require enough sap to be up in the tree trunks too. And our trees are too smart to let that happen for the most part. But it can and does happen sometimes to thin spindly young trees.
It's been pretty cold up here in far northern Minnesota since last Wednesday. With morning temps at -25F, -30F, -30F and -35F this morning. The high yesterday was -15F and a high of -5F today. It's not the very low temps that bother anyone up here, it's the windchill that will kill you. Yesterday, the wind chills were running -35F to -60F. Which can cause frostbite to exposed skin in 5 minutes or less and possibly kill you very quickly.
On the upside, at these temps large amounts of snowfall are almost impossible. So I won't need to start a tractor and plow the mile and a half to the nearest plowed road.
It's not just about the temperature, it's also about how quickly the temperature is dropping. Usually when the temperature goes down, trees do some "clever" shit with the sap inside them, specifically so that there's less moisture in them and when it freezes and expands the tree doesn't crack. However if it drops too quickly the trees can't do their magic quickly enough, too much water freezes, puts too much stress on the tree and it may crack.
America. I shouldn't need to tell you that trees exploding is a sign we're not on the right path
When I was a kid I read Brian's Winter, part of the Hatchet series. He was scared by explosions while alone in the winter woods and found out in the end that they were exploding trees. Never forgot about that concept, but I never bothered to look up how big a tree can be and explode.
This is exactly what came to mind for me as well! My second grade teacher read this and Hatchet to us. I remember him trying to figure out if it was from stray bullets from a hunter's gun or what was going on.
Triggered the same memory for me, though I couldn't remember the title. Just reserved a copy of the audiobook on Libby. Thanks!
I always worry about the animals when we get these crazy cold times. How many die. It's sad to think about.
For native animals? Probably not that many, as they are adapted to the fact that it gets very cold.
Stray cats and dogs? Probably quite a few.
I don't know if the polar vortex would go that far south so commonly in the past though. Climate change has made it wobble like crazy I'm recent years. It's why we end up with warmer days in Finland now with no snow when it moves that way.
The trees are also adapted to the cold. And they're exploding lol
Knowing trees though, they probably use it as a way of spreading their seeds. They're some clever bastards.
At these temperatures, it's best to keep your ass and your pet's asses inside and pray the furnace don't quit.
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Ignorant non-American here. Why are the trees east and west safe?
I'm guessing trees north are used to the cold, so won't explode, and south isn't getting cold enough to explode. But what about east and west? (I already know the bare minimum of the US, but that central north region I know even less)
The United States is very big. If you're from a smaller country (particularly if it's smaller east-to-west), it can be a little bit hard to comprehend how different the weather can be from one part of the country to another. While the weather does typically travel from West to East, it can change significantly along the way, and it usually takes several days to get from one coast to the other.
The highlighted area on the map is a massive region, wider than France and Germany put together (though much less populated). In fact, it's quite rare for even this much of the country to have the same weather pattern. The simplest answer to why trees to the east and west are safe is that it's not as cold there.
There are some other factors, too: just past the Western edge of the highlighted region are the Rocky Mountains, which significantly change weather patterns. The highlighted region consists of remarkably flat land (leveled by glacial action), meaning that there's not much to break the wind as it sucks away the heat from the trees. To the East if this highlighted region are the Great Lakes, which also change weather patterns.
But the biggest answer is, it's just not as cold there. Cleveland, OH (at a similar latitude, but further to the East) is going to be almost 20Β°F warmer than this (which is still bone-chilling, but not tree-exploding), and Boise, ID (similar latitude but to the West) is going to be almost 40Β°F warmer (practically tropical! /s).
It's also worth noting, if you're not familiar with the US map, that the city of Minneapolis (where the anti-ICE protests are happening right now) is right about where the bottom of the "R" in "TREE" is on this map.
Total guess, but: Lake effect probably prevents huge temperature swings further east (the great lakes are GIGANTIC sinks of energy), and there are mountains to the west, I believe. The problem is the flat area pictured.
Also, the shape of the polar vortex wind mass isn't uniform, so it likely dips further south in that region than others (in part due to the barriers described above)
ICE agents getting an interesting mix of Vietnam and Iraq.
Love myself some Max
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