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[–] 81 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The willingness to forgive Brexit in this meme is kinda undercutting your conviction

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    Brexit was more like friends drifting apart. While the US is your friend fucking your girlfriend, slashing your tires, stabbing you and then demanding you pay him.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

    Brexit was arguably worse because the UK voted specifically to say fuck you we are not a part of your club, whereas the US voters moronically didn't understand civics yet again and let this moron back into power who then used foreign policy tools to corruptly enrich himself and also piss off all our friends. And when US voters had a chance to vote on how the moron was doing they unequivocally repudiated him harder than any party's been repudiated in the last 50 years.

    What they will be weary of, and totally should be, is that they are just one election shy of another slimebag grifter who's willing to do the same again. I think these fences are somewhat mendable considering it's not our people's animosity toward them, it's oligarchs that are the problem. And oh by the way there is a huge problem with the EXACT same kind of voters and oligarchs and social media disinformation in every single one of those countries as well. You will need our help just like we needed yours to stand up to this shit. Our people share the same values still, they just need to be reminded of how absolutely destructive and empty fascism is as a philosophy and form of government.

    We all need to fix this cost of living crisis among young people because it will only get worse as climate change will create a huge refugee migration and far right extremism will crash on democracies like waves on a beach until it gets sorted out and the rich people actually have to start paying taxes and can't just buy elections, politicians, and sock puppets online. Or it doesn't get sorted out and we will live in some kind of cyberpunk distopia resembling Snowcrash, which is the oligrachs' favorite book and what they based the networked state on.

    /rant

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  • [–] 4 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Na UK did not threaten to invade to get to the oil on Greenland.

    It did not start a bar fight and got mad we did not support him enough.

    It did not spy on us.

    It did not let us down when needed Ukraine we are here for you

    They did not wanted to leave with all the money when the club was attacked

    US did the unthinkable. That was not just bad it was abusive. All trust was abused to gain a bit of advantage. Europe need to cut ties. We can still be friends but we are not relying on you anymore. Also we are not your army and prolonged arm. Have your army in your country. You are not trusted.

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  • [–] 9 points 17 hours ago

    It did not spy on us.

    You might want to look into the 5 eyes... or the orwellian laws the UK (and the EU) are trying to pass as of late, because Think of the children of course.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    The US voted trump once, to "own the libs". Then when they saw he was actually serious, they voted the other guy. Only to completely forget about it once again and vote the shitbag once again. Even after having seen what trump was, they voted for him again.

    The only reason this time was different is because trump invaded Iran and now the climate-change-hating people would have to pay a few pennies lore to fill their tanks. Even though gas is still cheaper in the US than it was in Europe before the Iran invasion.

    Let me reiterate. The only reason the US voted against trump is because he drove up fuel prices. Not the dehumanization of immigrants and its own citizens (he already did that first term). Not the loving foreign dictators. Not making crime legal. The thing that brought him down was oil prices.

    "But he most Americans didn't vote for him!" Most British didn't either for Brexit. Not voting against someone is basically telling the world that that someone is good enough for you.

    "But misinformation! The US people were just uninformed and dumb!" There was a lot of misinformation surrounding Brexit too.

    The difference is that Brexit was a single vote, and afterwards a lot of people said "this is not the Brexit I voted for". Whereas in the US it is "why is trump hurting me? I voted for him 3 times!".

    Another big difference is that Brexit is just the UK exiting the EU. Trump, however, initiated a trade war and is a puppet of our main aggressor (Russia). It also destabilized the entire world with its stupid wars. And sent fuel prices through the roof for everyone. Knowing full well the Europe produces very little oil on its own and is already struggling after cutting trade with Russia.

    No. Brexit was not worse than trump.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Let me reiterate. The only reason the US voted against trump is because he drove up fuel prices. Not the dehumanization of immigrants and its own citizens (he already did that first term). Not the loving foreign dictators. Not making crime legal. The thing that brought him down was oil prices.<

    Let me stop you right there. The hispanic flip in Texas is almost entirely because ice are disappearing people into black sites at an alarming rate. It's not just gas prices. It's a lot of things all at once.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago
    • Gas AKA energy prices
    • The war in Iran
    • Immigration enforcement (ICE)
    • Tariffs
    • Foreign policy (this could have a list of its own)
    • Blatant corruption
    • Raising the national debt to insane levels
    • The push for AI
    • The constant culture war
    • … etc

    I don’t know why everyone keeps insisting the only reason we finally voted against this administration is “because of gas prices”. If that’s what you think then you haven’t been paying attention.

    As if we haven’t been constantly protesting ICE, Project 2025, and the “Big Beautiful Bill” for over a year. As if 40/41 municipalities haven’t rejected new data centers as a clear stand-in for the pushback against this AI madness. As if these midterms weren’t our first opportunity in our representative democracy to truly show our displeasure by voting… which we just did. Resoundingly.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    It's pretty stupid to take a whole group of people and trivialize their incentives down to one thing.

    I didn't vote because of the gas, I am still pissed he got back in. Kindly take your broad brush and fuck off.

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  • [–] 3 points 17 hours ago

    Did you vote for trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024? If not, you fuck off, the post is not about you.

    I'm not using a broad brush, my brush is the size of 1. I'm saying what the US voted for.

    The US voted for trump in 2016 and 2024. The only difference between 2024 and 2026 is that the oil prices went up.

    His stance in 2026 is the same as in 2024.

    Even though he promised to be "the president of peace", in 2024 it was clear that it was a lie, due to what happened after 2016.

    His stance on Ukraine or Palestine have not changed from 2024 to 2026.

    His stance of trade wars is the same in 2026 as in 2024.

    His pardon power abuse is not news in 2026, he already did in 2016.

    His "getting rich at the expense of the taxpayer" is not news either, it was well known in 2024.

    His relationship with Epstein was already known in 2024.

    Literally the only difference of trump in 2024 and trump in 2026 is that trump in 2024 was not known for increasing oil prices, since he didn't do so in 2016.

    The difference between 2024 and 2026 is that some people that voted republican in 2024 voted democrat in 2026. And what made them change their mind is oil prices.

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  • [–] 117 points 2 days ago (26 children)

    Every couple of years we will flip flop between batshit crazy and somewhat less crazy. You need to move on from us. This is not healthy.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

    In your opinion, what would it take for the US to push for electoral reform of some kind?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Things will need to get much worse before that happens. Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions, but we are shackled to the two party system. This make peaceful revolution almost impossible (almost).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (6 children)

    Sadly, that’ll never happen. Americans only protests when it’s convenient, and they’ll never boycott the things they will not let go of.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

    It’s funny that Americans laugh at the French joking they always surrender etc, but they sure as shit know how to protest, and protest about even the slightest reduction in personal rights. Americans are the weak ones.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    I get what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t call it funny. It’s fucking insane. Americans (speaking from having been one for a looooong time) by-and-large won’t move a muscle if it comes at a cost of effort. But boy do we love being seen standing against all the things that we believe are bad.

    It’s a show. At the end of the day, they cannot be bothered to make the necessary sacrifices it would take to move the needle even an inch in their favor.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately for many Americans, they don't have anything close to the level of safety nets the French have. When most of your population is a single day of missed work away from homelessness or not being able to afford something like insulin, it gets pretty fucking hard to do much.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    And how did the French get there... Do you think the guys that stormed the Bastille had sick leave and a 40 hour workweek

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    Are you willing to sacrifice your kids and partner? Not so many people are. I'm the primary earner in my home and if I lost my job my wife and children would be homeless and hungry. If it was only me, sure, I'll burn down some data centers or storm a castle or whatever, but it's not and that's the reality for a lot of people. So, instead, we do what we can, by voting and trying to make some change. I agree that if everyone got up and did something all at once shit would change real fuckin' quick, but do you think you can convince most people that their loved ones are worth losing?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago

    I don't remember the percentage of the top of my head, but in America a huge amount of people are one unexpected large bill away from poverty and a lot of people are living pay check to pay check. Once a significant portion of America can no longer afford bread, then we might see some change.... and likely deaths.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    There is an interstate pact that has 82% of electoral college votes required to subvert the electoral college and elect the president via a national popular vote. With the blue tsunami this week, it could in theory reach 100%, in which case the odds of the US ever having a Republican president again drop significantly since the majority of recent Republican presidental wins have actually lost the popular vote.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    problem is the pact is unenforceable. if a purple state in the compact swings red, there's no guarantee they'll vote with the popular vote.

    it needs a constitutional amendment

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Well, no. The entire premise is that the states pass laws giving their EC votes to the winner of the popular vote. It’s not just a pinky promise lol. Those laws would have to be overturned by their state legislatures in advance.

    The only part that makes it a pact is that none of the state laws go into effect until enough other states pass their laws.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago

    Probably getting rid of Citizen's United, taxing the wealthy correctly, getting rid of the electoral college, reworking the makeup of the Supreme Court, and ranked choice voting would do most of it. All hard but doable.

    Theoretically we could end the electoral college next year. There's a thing called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. We now have trifectas in enough states for it to go in effect, should a few more states join. We also have Congress too (needed because they'll have to approve it). It's unlikely the federal government can force the states to do ranked choice voting without a Constitutional amendment. But we could implement it on a state by state basis. The Supreme Court could be reshaped by the next President and a willing Congress - the needed precedent is already there in the circuit courts. Citizen's United is trickiest. The straightforward approach requires either a Constitutional amendment or the Supreme Court to overturn itself. But it's possible there's some tricky alternate paths to accomplish the goal. One of them is convincing enough states to ban corporate spending on political speech. Since corporations are a state creation, they alone have that sort of power. Problem is even one non cooperating state could possibly ruin that. But there might be other ways too.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago

    I would say money out of politics is a good start. Citizens United needs to go.

    Beyond that though, American willingly voted in a man twice who said he grabs women by the pussy.

    1. A segment of the population was ok with that
    2. A segment of the population didn't care enough and either stayed home or still voted for him.

    Then there's all the other shitty things about him that were known for years prior to 2016.

    I don't know how you fix that. America shows us all who they are and how do you change who you are? A sexist, racist, money obsessed bipolar lunatic.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    I'm unsure electoral reform by itself is going to happen. The problem is, we have a 250 year old constitution that hasn't modernized well, and old money has sunk its teeth deeply into the current system such that it's ineffective at real change. The idea of a 1 time, 5% wealth tax is the cutting edge of what's considered "radical".

    In my opinion, what it will take, is someone like Trump, or worse than Trump, finally shaking the country to a breaking point where the old system collapses. And I'll be honest - I'd love to see the change, but I'm not sure I'll survive the surgery to get there. But what I think it will take is the country finally reaching a point where they push for a constitutional convention, and in that setting, lay out reforms for our current electoral process. Anything short of that, and you're basically looking to get to a majority of people in power willing to vote to give up their own power. That's not impossible, but tends only to be true in rare cases, immediately after a huge shift in power like a revolution.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Since voting in the USA is controlled at the state level, it would require a different effort on each state to replace First-past-the-post voting and other crucial reforms. Alaska has Ranked Choice Voting actually, despite conservatives putting ballot initiatives to go back to FPTP voting every election cycle.

    The good news is that means electoral reform can happen easier at the state level then trying to push shit through at the federal level.

    The bad news is liberals in this country get rock hard when they yell and scream at those disenfranchised by the two party system. They adore their chains.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    The genie is out of the bottle now. The US allies now realize every four years an absolute moron can grab power and shit on them.

    It’s gonna take decades at least to repair the damage the maga morons have caused, if it ever even can be repaired at all.

    Simply going ‘UwU sowwy’ is not enough.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago

    It's not just that a moron is in power. That's common enough. It's that nobody stops him. Everybody jumped on board the dictator train immediately. Trump says to block ICC accounts and Microsoft clacks their heels and does it. Starlink gets nerfed. Tariffs come and go. It's all demonstrated fact now, not a feeling, rumour, vague threat or might happen.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I can't believe my countrymen ruined our country's friendship with Canada 😞 shit sucks

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  • Yup forgiveness has to be earned. It's called healthy boundaries.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago

    As an American, I kind of get it and even bitterly endorse this. We deserve it in so far as a country could deserve something.

    Unfortunately, even if this was true the average American who'd suffer the consequences would be too incredibly fucking stupid to understand and would learn nothing from this.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    American here. My apologies and do stay the course. There's still a lot of stupid left in this country. Hopefully it gets sorted out in my lifetime.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    Dane here. I wish Europe was on the political trajectory that the US seems to be now. We might have few EU-Trumps in our future 🤦

    Hopefully we can unite the world in peace and harmony before the psychos blow it up.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Foreign policy is dictated by the president. Tariffs could get even worse, though Trump is looking pretty beat.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Tariffs are the domain of Congress which delegated it away to the executive under three circumstances, unfair foreign trade practice, national security, and national defence. We will see how these things get interpreted going forward.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    It seems even if scotus rules against Trump, his guys have work-arounds planned that start the whole process over. Hopefully that can change now but I doubt his level of hostility will.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    They aren't going to remove tariffs.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    I wish we would. I want to be able to buy from ebikes.ca again without crazy shipping fees.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    Likewise I'd like to be able to buy homelab server stuff from just over the southern border off eBay again without the fees being 10x the price of the item. I saw a $30 HDD backplane with $400 shipping

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    There's a strong economic incentive to have a legislative majority rein in the Presidential power to levy tariffs.

    Democrats won't do it. But they have a powerful incentive to do it. But they won't.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    There’s a strong economic incentive to have a legislative majority rein in the Presidential power to levy tariffs.

    The courts have repeatedly ruled that he doesn't even have the power to levy the tariffs he has, and yet people are still having to pay them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    The courts ruled against IEEPA based tariffs specifically.

    That was just one layer in a thick stack of tariffs imposed under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act 1962 (National Security), 301 of the Trade Act 1974 (Unfair Trade Practices) and 122 (150 day Balance of Payment Deficit rule), the anti dumping rules, and countervailing duties through the Commerce Department (the President has been granted authority under law to retaliate against foreign tariffs without Congressional dispensation).

    Courts have yet to limit any of these powers. Congress could amend any of them or simply impose new oversight and limitations on presidential power to impose tariffs generally speaking.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    In the kindest possible way: no we have not

    We are still embroiled in all kinds of American infrastructure. Sure there are campaigns to encourage people to switch to non-american alternatives for stuff like IT and military inventory, but that doesn't stop people like Olaf Scholz saying that "Google suite is secure enough" when talking about German government cloud solutions

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Olaf Scholz? Is he still relevant? I think you might be confusing the former German Chancellor with the current one, Friedrich Merz. Who actually said “that Google is also investing in Germany and Europe, and that we can ensure European sovereignty here even with an American provider.” - which is utterly ridiculous.

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  • What's bothersome is that Germany is just one of many countries that's chock full of open source developers contributing to open source projects that know better. Those guys are SMEs on the topic and their opinions should be taken as such.

    Germany happens to have KDE and The Document Foundation which is probably one of the reasons so much money goes into "investing" in Germany by big tech.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago*

    To put this in perspective: up until February of this year Iran still had Cisco infrastructure for their networks, and it took part in the attack against them. It wasn't until after this last war that they finally ripped out all of the American silicon.

    Seems like this is one really difficult lesson to learn, or perhaps the students are just a bit dull.

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  • [–] 12 points 15 hours ago

    Fix your broken electoral system and get money out of your politics and maybe we can talk again.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    I wish this was how it is, but we all know it isnt and things will mostly just go back to how they were.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    not this time.

    I work in IT for a public company, and a big chunk of the budget is now for de-americanification (ditch microsoft, aws, and switch to foss and ovh).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    As much as I would absolutely love for EU to collectively disown all dependence of America and invest in sovereign tech concentrated in Europe, I agree that it sadly seems like a far stretch, for now. But there has been progress - France's government opting to Linux over Windows, for example.

    If you wouldn't mind sharing (totally fine if you don't), where are you based and/or what sector are you referring to?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    Yeah that's cool but as soon as people think they can make money making deals with the US, it's back to business as usual. I don't make the rules, but it's money over everything.

    If I'm wrong, great, but I'm doubtful.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Canada should carry on building a stronger relationship with the EU and should become a member. You never know, the racist neo-Nazi dumbshit Red Oblast voters, to their south, might strike again.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    To be fair, the US should as well. But this time as a partner and not as a demanding child thinking they run the world. As great as it is for the world to grow stronger without the US, it would also be great for the US to be an equal partner as well.

    But it's cool if you don't want to allow us back into the group just yet. We need to have learned our lesson before we can be an actual partner.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    They never said they were going to remove tariffs.

    One of the dems suggested they should focus on reconciliation with Canada. I think as a country we have an idea that reconciliation isn't a quick or easy thing, and frankly, we'd be morons to get back into bed with the US.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    You can remove the UK... They're effectively the US next door to the EU.

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  • Don't forget the other Americas, they have permanent trade deals with Canada and Europe now also.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Oh please, if ignoring America worked I'd have left it by now instead of staying to vote and fight it all.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago*

    Whilst I admire your voting and fighting etc I'll also point out that the distrust of the usa and it's population doesn't just go back to the way it was.
    I mean, I did that when Biden was elected... and then nothing happened to the evil people. Then Fatboy McKiddieFiddler was elected again.

    If you peeps actually and properly go after PresiDunce Drumpf, and the enablers and the handlers etc, then maybe things can change.
    But if not then they will just get a more competent evil idiot to do their evil bidding and we will all be back to where we have been the last 10 years.
    You are being ignored, and people have moved on.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Can't afford not to. Dependency on America is a massive liability now. Nobody is returning to that golden age of trade. Americans ended their own dominance.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    Oh no.

    Anyway...

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago

    I was at an economics lecture today (Piketty), and the closing piece was about hope for the future that basically boiled down to: the US is weakening. The specific piece was the US losing veto power at the IMF very soon.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    As an American, it sucks, I'm sorry, I get it. Hold us accountable please, until we can figure out some better safeguards.

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    [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    I never expect to have the same relationships we had, but I do hope that we can at leastend some of the damage. Long term, the EU and Canada will be stronger because of this, but I hope we can be amicable and respectable at some point and just have a healthy relationship with our neighbors and once allies.

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