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[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 82 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The willingness to forgive Brexit in this meme is kinda undercutting your conviction

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Brexit was more like friends drifting apart. While the US is your friend fucking your girlfriend, slashing your tires, stabbing you and then demanding you pay him.

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[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Brexit was arguably worse because the UK voted specifically to say fuck you we are not a part of your club, whereas the US voters moronically didn't understand civics yet again and let this moron back into power who then used foreign policy tools to corruptly enrich himself and also piss off all our friends. And when US voters had a chance to vote on how the moron was doing they unequivocally repudiated him harder than any party's been repudiated in the last 50 years.

What they will be weary of, and totally should be, is that they are just one election shy of another slimebag grifter who's willing to do the same again. I think these fences are somewhat mendable considering it's not our people's animosity toward them, it's oligarchs that are the problem. And oh by the way there is a huge problem with the EXACT same kind of voters and oligarchs and social media disinformation in every single one of those countries as well. You will need our help just like we needed yours to stand up to this shit. Our people share the same values still, they just need to be reminded of how absolutely destructive and empty fascism is as a philosophy and form of government.

We all need to fix this cost of living crisis among young people because it will only get worse as climate change will create a huge refugee migration and far right extremism will crash on democracies like waves on a beach until it gets sorted out and the rich people actually have to start paying taxes and can't just buy elections, politicians, and sock puppets online. Or it doesn't get sorted out and we will live in some kind of cyberpunk distopia resembling Snowcrash, which is the oligrachs' favorite book and what they based the networked state on.

/rant

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[–] Frettchen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 child)

Na UK did not threaten to invade to get to the oil on Greenland.

It did not start a bar fight and got mad we did not support him enough.

It did not spy on us.

It did not let us down when needed Ukraine we are here for you

They did not wanted to leave with all the money when the club was attacked

US did the unthinkable. That was not just bad it was abusive. All trust was abused to gain a bit of advantage. Europe need to cut ties. We can still be friends but we are not relying on you anymore. Also we are not your army and prolonged arm. Have your army in your country. You are not trusted.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

It did not spy on us.

You might want to look into the 5 eyes... or the orwellian laws the UK (and the EU) are trying to pass as of late, because Think of the children of course.

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[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The US voted trump once, to "own the libs". Then when they saw he was actually serious, they voted the other guy. Only to completely forget about it once again and vote the shitbag once again. Even after having seen what trump was, they voted for him again.

The only reason this time was different is because trump invaded Iran and now the climate-change-hating people would have to pay a few pennies lore to fill their tanks. Even though gas is still cheaper in the US than it was in Europe before the Iran invasion.

Let me reiterate. The only reason the US voted against trump is because he drove up fuel prices. Not the dehumanization of immigrants and its own citizens (he already did that first term). Not the loving foreign dictators. Not making crime legal. The thing that brought him down was oil prices.

"But he most Americans didn't vote for him!" Most British didn't either for Brexit. Not voting against someone is basically telling the world that that someone is good enough for you.

"But misinformation! The US people were just uninformed and dumb!" There was a lot of misinformation surrounding Brexit too.

The difference is that Brexit was a single vote, and afterwards a lot of people said "this is not the Brexit I voted for". Whereas in the US it is "why is trump hurting me? I voted for him 3 times!".

Another big difference is that Brexit is just the UK exiting the EU. Trump, however, initiated a trade war and is a puppet of our main aggressor (Russia). It also destabilized the entire world with its stupid wars. And sent fuel prices through the roof for everyone. Knowing full well the Europe produces very little oil on its own and is already struggling after cutting trade with Russia.

No. Brexit was not worse than trump.

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[–] III@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago*

Both Brexit and Trump happened because of idiot conservatives being fooled into going against their interest by oligarchs.

For that they are the same.

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[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Let me reiterate. The only reason the US voted against trump is because he drove up fuel prices. Not the dehumanization of immigrants and its own citizens (he already did that first term). Not the loving foreign dictators. Not making crime legal. The thing that brought him down was oil prices.<

Let me stop you right there. The hispanic flip in Texas is almost entirely because ice are disappearing people into black sites at an alarming rate. It's not just gas prices. It's a lot of things all at once.

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[–] canthangmightstain@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago

Gas AKA energy prices
The war in Iran
Immigration enforcement (ICE)
Tariffs
Foreign policy (this could have a list of its own)
Blatant corruption
Raising the national debt to insane levels
The push for AI
The constant culture war
… etc

I don’t know why everyone keeps insisting the only reason we finally voted against this administration is “because of gas prices”. If that’s what you think then you haven’t been paying attention.

As if we haven’t been constantly protesting ICE, Project 2025, and the “Big Beautiful Bill” for over a year. As if 40/41 municipalities haven’t rejected new data centers as a clear stand-in for the pushback against this AI madness. As if these midterms weren’t our first opportunity in our representative democracy to truly show our displeasure by voting… which we just did. Resoundingly.

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[–] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

It's pretty stupid to take a whole group of people and trivialize their incentives down to one thing.

I didn't vote because of the gas, I am still pissed he got back in. Kindly take your broad brush and fuck off.

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[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Did you vote for trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024? If not, you fuck off, the post is not about you.

I'm not using a broad brush, my brush is the size of 1. I'm saying what the US voted for.

The US voted for trump in 2016 and 2024. The only difference between 2024 and 2026 is that the oil prices went up.

His stance in 2026 is the same as in 2024.

Even though he promised to be "the president of peace", in 2024 it was clear that it was a lie, due to what happened after 2016.

His stance on Ukraine or Palestine have not changed from 2024 to 2026.

His stance of trade wars is the same in 2026 as in 2024.

His pardon power abuse is not news in 2026, he already did in 2016.

His "getting rich at the expense of the taxpayer" is not news either, it was well known in 2024.

His relationship with Epstein was already known in 2024.

Literally the only difference of trump in 2024 and trump in 2026 is that trump in 2024 was not known for increasing oil prices, since he didn't do so in 2016.

The difference between 2024 and 2026 is that some people that voted republican in 2024 voted democrat in 2026. And what made them change their mind is oil prices.

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