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[–] 71 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Nice try, commie, but a train doesn't help GMAC make more car loans, nor does it help Exxon-Mobil sell more gasoline. Worse still, if people are commuting together they might build community and solidarity and then how will we keep them all working for 1/10 of the value they produce, huh? Next time think about Wall St before you go suggesting crazy ideas like high speed rail!

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago

    You also forgot about the private interests in building the rail. We can't have the government doing this, that's insane. Instead we need to find a way to funnel money to Union Pacific so they park their 2 mile long cargo trains for 3 hours blocking all amtrak trains. Then they can keep collecting maintenance fees which they pocket for decades until a train derails, at which point they begrudgingly replace some of the rotting lumber that's been there for 200 years.

    That's the true american capitalist way. Anything else is just too expensive.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    As a Londoner I can tell you straight up that commuting together does not build community and solidarity

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    That's because English. I've had very nice journeys where I've chatted with perfect strangers on Spanish trains, and to a lesser extent in other countries in Europe. You do want to understand the unspoken codes that signal "let's talk" or "leave me the fuck alone". Same happens in bars, for example. But yeah, my experiences in trains in Spain have been generally great, with the odd near horror story.

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  • [–] 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    California: Hang on, we got another rich land owner suing us because the rail path would cut through their lucrative almond orchard that they pump ground water to use for flood irrigation because fuck you.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hold on we have this super genius that says mood lit tunnels with Tesla's in would be even cheaper and faster!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Its worse than that, look into the owners of Bellevue Square in Bellevue, WA. They basically forced light rail development to not land in the actual main downtown area and the family has a history of racism.

    Its kind of fucking nuts how so many things lead back to racism when you look at US history

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  • [–] 99 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Imagine how this would disempower landlords if you could commute to either of those cities from anywhere between them.

    Car dependency is about power, it's about keeping workers vulnerable and reliant on constant employment to participate in society. The one thing the US and Canada has over other imperial powers is the obscene amount of space each state has at its disposal within the metropole with which to construct what really is an exceptional form of oppression. It's important to recognize that when you're talking about ending car dependency, this is an existential threat to either power, and they will treat it in kind.

    There is convenience in the ineptitude of neoliberal politics in state-planning and infrastructure, which most people attribute as the cause of this development, but it's crucial to remember that suburban sprawl and car dependency were state projects by the US and Canada in very much they same way neoliberal privatization is.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    America is just a collection of subscription fees you must pay in order to survive. You need a car, rent, groceries, and bills at the bare minimum so you must have a job or you will die in the street.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    Yes, and it's important to identify why that happens and how it functions, not satisfy ourselves with the certainty that it is bad, or unjust, or unreasonable; which many of these posts end up doing.

    The US is the way it is because that is what settler-colonialism and capitalism require to continue. Even when there were periods of "reform," such as the labour and state policies of the welfare liberal era in the 1930s-40s (which is how suburbanism and car dependency came about), or the civil rights movements of the mid- to late-twentieth century (which is how neoliberalism and the liberal appropriation of social justice was achieved), victories in reform are inevitably eroded by these fundamental imperatives.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It’s the same everywhere. Not just American thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Though capitalism is pervasive globally, I don't think it's necessary to narrow our understanding of its specificities within the US metropole to be able to discuss the commonalities globally.

    Car dependency is certainly more prevalent within the US than it is the EU, but even it's presence in either takes on different forms and performs different functions. And then, the car dependency in the US is different from colonized spaces in Latin America, or between Latin American settler-colonial states like Brazil or Argentina.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    There's no profit in building sensible infrastructure.

    Only profit in endless wars against brown people

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Except there is plenty of profit in the form of increased commerce. Indirect profit is something corporations and government struggles with. Line will go up after this is built. Which takes more than a fucking quarter

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There's lots of profit in building infrastructure. There's little profit in finishing it. That's why in US or UK you get endless construction projects that cost billions but never deliver anything useful.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Car infrastructure has lower up-front costs, but much higher lifetime costs than rail. That's the real profit making scheme here. That, plus you have to buy a car to opt-in, which is a major expense and one that has to be made every 5-15 years.

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  • [–] 212 points 1 month ago (49 children)

    Fuck Maglev.

    Regular ass trains on steel tracks can go >200mph if built to spec. Suuuure, maglev can go even faster. But regular ass trains on steel tracks can actually be build on a realistic budget. Like in theory atleast. But before the US does something this sane they're gonna nuke themselves. idk

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    We need a rail line that is strictly for commuters. Right now the rails are owned by freight companies so they prioritize freight over people. Yes we do have the infrastructure to initiate high speed rails, but those rails are used for objects not people.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Passengers is the term you mean, not commuters. I read the first sentence and thought you were going to suggest something that is only open to people coming from and going to work.

    But yes, we need passenger rail that's exclusively passenger rail.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Regular ass train gang. Let's stop trying to reinvent something that already works way better than whatever half ass bullshit you thought about for a couple hours.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Maglev makes sense in connecting only the major cities like Japan is doing

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (33 children)

    I don't know much about various train technologies, but surely that's going to cause massive wear and tear on the tracks and need to be serviced very often right? And any debris on the track is probably going to cause quite bad damage to the wheels too.

    I don't know, but I feel like your "if built to spec" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, what kind of spec? Is that sort of quality realistic for a real-world installation? Exposed to the elements?

    Maglev is definitely more expensive to build and probably to run, but it seems like it'd be far more reliable? And also a much smoother experience for those on-board?

    And I feel like Maglev has much greater theoretical speed limits than typical contact tracks, as, well, we basically remove the friction between the wheel and the track?

    Also imo Maglev is cool and gets style points.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Most industry nations around the world are running high speed trains by now. They're doing petty fine I'd say. China threw a ton of money into German maglev tech and there isn't really much to see still. There's a reason most countries gave up on it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    Ich wünsche mir die Zeit zurück, in der ich über Politiker fast ausschließlich lachen musste, statt mich endlos über sie aufzuregen.

    Nicht, dass es da nicht auch genug Gründe gegeben hätte, aber zwischendrin kam immer mal wieder etwas raus was nicht komplett gestört war.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I reckon it'll be one of those things that was just ahead of it's time, I think the concept is sound, but other infrastructure to run it, energy, rare-earth mining, just isn't ready to keep up yet.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, and dont forget the scale.

    Japan is building a maglev line right now. But they have >60 years of experience with high speed rail and the whole concept is established. Even then its "only" about to be 400km to connect three major metropolian areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen Still:

    Construction is expected to cost over ¥9 trillion Japanese yen (approximately $82 billion USD) and commenced in 2014. The start date of commercial service is unknown,[...]The Nagoya–Osaka section was planned to be completed as late as 2045, but the date was moved to as early as 2037 following a loan from the Japanese government.

    Chicago to New York are more like 1200km and major stops between them are like Cleveland and Toledo. Uuuh... just build regular ass rail with a bit higher specs for higher speeds...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    approximately $82 billion USD

    We've spent over half that on the Iran war so far.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/iran-war-cost-pentagon.html

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    The main issue is that you need absurd amounts of resources just to build the track alone.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    You also need absurd amounts of resources to build long distance motorways.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    In the end the maintenance cost for maglev vs bullet trains are about the same. Bullet trains focus more on mechanical maintenance of the track and wheels. While the maintenance of maglev is typically more technical, it requires constant recalibration of the electronics and constant monitoring for alignment.

    Maglev is definitely more expensive to build and probably to run, but it seems like it'd be far more reliable? And also a much smoother experience for those on-board?

    Traditional steel on rail is actually more reliable in practice. Theoretically the basic mechanics of maglev are more reliable, but in practice they tend to suffer from longer delays when they do fail. This is mostly because the repairs/maintenance for traditional rail can be done by just about anyone, where maglevs tend to be locked in by a single vendor contract.

    Maglev has much greater theoretical speed limits than typical contact tracks, as, well, we basically remove the friction between the wheel and the track?

    They are theoretically faster, but in practice the speed of trains are most often governed not by the limitations of the trains themselves, but instead are limited by the surrounding infrastructure and terrain.

    The cruising speed of railed bullet trains are around 200mph, while the cruising speeds of maglev is around 265mph. Maglevs have gone significantly faster around 375mph, but thats not really a realistic expectation for daily operations.

    Imo both are extremely cool, but traditional rail is just a lot more practical for a plethora of reasons. The most important being that the installation and operational cost are just a lot more realistic than maglev. There's a reason there's only a total of 37 miles of maglev in operation today compared to over 30k miles of high-speed rail.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Remember that the TGV has the high speed record for rail, at 574kmh or 356mph

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  • Yeah, but it's not something you would ever see in operation. The V150 trial had special modified and powered cars running on the most favorable railway conditions possible. Plus, running over 200mph on steel starts to create enough friction to damage the wheels and rail.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Built to spec does do a lot of heavy lifting. American distances are larger than European distances. China has the advantage of a dictatorship which can be decisive.

    But the Interstate system was expensive and had a crazy spec and was built and continues to be maintained at an extremely high cost.

    Last I heard, maglev is mostly vaporware. Just build good tracks.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    tbf idk on which behalf you argue about american distances. But i feel(!)¹ like thats another reason to prefer regular ass trains(with implied heavy lifting specs). Like it is known that you can build >tenthousand miles of regular high speed tracks to build a tight network between major cities. It has been done. America doesnt even have the huge issue of several differing national standards which are in competition to eachother but still want to be connected ideally like in europe.

    ¹am just random idiot on the internet.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Track maintenance is expensive and even more so when in remote areas. Population density is much lower in USA than most of Europe so km rail per person is just much higher.

    Hasn’t stopped the interstate system from taking billions of dollars a year though.

    Building a strong high speed rail in dense areas like New England and Midwest probably would be a good starter because people can see how well it works. But there’s so much carbrain inertia.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Indeed, that's really only true because the United States and Canada have vast areas in which nobody lives. About 1/3 of the U.S. is federal land managed by the Bureau of Land Management; that really throws off the average. If I recall correctly, around 40% of the population of Canada lives along a line between Windsor and Montréal. Meanwhile, this is Spain compared to the Northeast:

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    Spain has a population just under 50 million. It also has a high-speed rail network. You'd think that in a region with a far, far higher population density, the U.S. and Canada could do better than the Acela.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Japan and afaik also china are building long distance maglev lines at the moment. We will see if there are any issues that regular hsr wouldn't have. It's certainly expensive to build, but high speed connection between major cities can be worth it. Technology that can go at almost 2/3 the speed of planes but is able to run entirely on electricity isn't necessarily just some gimmick, there is an actual use case for it. 300 km/h is fast, but 500 is a lot faster. Of course just like with existing HSR, building routes that support these high speeds is a challenge (and part of why japans line under construction is so much faster than the existing shinkansen is that it just cuts straight through the mountains, which is of course expensive).

    The planned line is supposedt to be even faster than flying (45m vs 1h) overall, probably due to the overhead of taxiing. And that's without considering security.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There’s only 6 globally, under 100km total track. Shinkansen trains are conventional rail. It’s been just around the corner for 100 years.

    1. Korea, 1km
    2. Shanghai, 30km
    3. Linimo, Japan, 8.9km
    4. Incheon, Korea, 6.1km
    5. Changsha, China, 18.5km
    6. beijing, China, 8.2km
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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    “It seems like this experimental tech is going to be more reliable than the proven thing that’s existed since the 19th century.”

    You sure about that, hoss?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure there's been more than a couple times in history when new technology has replaced old technology...

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    BigOil would like to have a word.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    I have the utmost confidence in the TSAs ability to make rail stations just as bad as airports.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    Oh you complain now, but as soon as someone hijacks a train and steers it off course into a building, you’ll be begging TSA to grope you before letting you cram yourself into a reasonably spacious train seat that a public entity runs and has no reason to maximize the number of bodies it can cram into one area to create more shareholder value.

    (I’m not crying you are……..)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    They already do the inspections for rail stations and they're about 1/10th as annoying and time-consuming as the ones for airports.

    Trains just don't have the capacity for a 9/11 so I don't see that changing any time soon.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Trains just don't have the capacity for a 9/11

    Not to bring down buildings, but in terms of terrorism they sure do.

    Any modern 9/11 attempt will be made by cargo jet. So protection against aircraft bringing down buildings is provided by the US airforce, not the TSA.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    I feel like you said "No" and then agreed with me.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    I agree with your whole statement, but disagree if it is broken up into separate parts.

    Passenger vector terrorism is equal on trains and planes (and busses to a much lesser extent). This is the TSAs area.

    Infrastructure damage is much higher on planes, but this also applies to the 10% of flights that are cargo and the TSA has no influence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    For whatever reason it's just not equal in the US as far as I'm aware. Maybe it's a benefit of a society who thinks trains are lame.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    When the train's average speed is 50mph and no-one uses them then the target isn't big enough for large scale terror.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Your position is very confusing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Why would there be security checks at train stations? I know those are a thing in some countries, but this never made any sense to me. They aren't where I live; a train can't be driven into buildings and if something does explode on them (exactly as possible as in any crowd), the train will simply stop, not fall from the sky.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    A similar number of people would be injured/die from a plane explosion as a train explosion.

    Your arguments against no security checks apply equally to trains and planes (and busses).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Not really because an explosion on a train or bus doesn't cause the entire vehicle to crash into the ground, only to stop. An explosion on a train or bus is going to kill or injure people in its radius of impact, but people sitting far away from it (granted: not many of those on a bus, but very much so on a long train) won't be injured. On a plane, if that plane stops operating mid-flight, even people on the other end of the plane from the explosion are unlikely to survive.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    An explosion in the front carriage of a train going 200mph is not going to be good for anyone travelling behind it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    OK, "won't be injured" wasn't exactly true; but they are still in a lot less danger than someone in the same situation on a plane. A train or bus can stop anywhere on its route if there is a dangerous situation, a plane cannot, so in my mind it makes a lot of sense that there are security checks before boarding a plane, but not when boarding a train or bus.

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