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[–] 31 points 3 months ago

Won't find any of these under $40k at any dealer

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  • [–] 99 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    It’d be nice of someone told them you don’t need that big pedestrian smasher grill on an ev.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It almost looks like they have framing to obscure the true shape under the tarps

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I hate how bad the visibility is in new cars. Tiny windows. Massive hoods. Huge blindspots.

    They probably have a frunk up there. But they could have sacrificed a cubic foot and sloped it down for safety and efficiency.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, I'm staying the fuck away from Ford or at least the next 5 years. They outsourced all of their design shit to AI and then had to higher engineers back.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    Somebody not bezos should make small EV trucks

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    At some point you need to stop letting perfect be the enemy of the good. Bezos is a Slate investor, but that hardly makes a slate something that's made by Bezos. It doesn't seem connected to the Amazon ecosystem in any way.

    It's really easy to purity test oneself into complete irrelevance.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They're not saying to boycott it. They're saying people at least less evil should be competing.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    "[Don't] [let] perfect be the enemy of good" is such an overused and rarely useful phrase, most often little more than a blunt object used to insist that people accept tepid compromises rather than daring to demand genuine solutions.

    Not that EVs are bad of course, but EVs for 'everyone' as opposed to mass transit isn't a solution (although of course it is a slightly less bleak shade of shit than ICE vehicles for 'everyone'), and doing that whilst enabling people who are already benefitting disproportionately from the status quo to benefit ever more dramatically is even less of one.

    It's really easy to compromise oneself into complete irrelevance too, and rather easier to compromise oneself into complicity.

    Edit: Not to suggest that the worst of this applies to you at all, it was just the nth time of seeing that phrase used frivolously.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Check out telo - i really like them (wish it were more affordable, but still, if i were to buy a new vehicle, itd be that one once available and vetted)

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Telo and Canoo really went back to the drawing board and designed trucks around the skateboard design of an EV. No frunk, front seat as far forward as possible, relatively aerodynamic design. Carbros absolutely hated them and derided them to no end but the only real objection was that they looked so much different from the designs they are accustomed to to, that is, designs tailored to the specific problem of accommodating a large engine block. At some point we’re going to have to leave these designs in the past, it’s just a matter of time.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Hadn't heard of those before. I like the Canoo design immediately, Telo less so but if they ever made a 2 door with a longer bed I'd probably be into it.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    Meanwhile, the past:


    Edit: the more I think about it, bringing back the Econoline brand specifically as an electric "cabover" pickup and/or van would be extremely cool.

    (It wouldn't really be a cabover because the thing the cab is over is the engine and an EV doesn't have that, but you know what I mean.)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    Gimme one of those except the cab is over a spacious frunk instead of an engine. Maybe make the frunk a big drawer that can slide out. That'd kick ass and look good doing it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    There's no room for a frunk; that's where your legs go. The engine in those things is under the seats and possibly behind the front axle.

    [On a related note, that's why I kinda want a Toyota Previa. With a little modification (only because not all options were offered at the same time/trim level, so you have to swap), you could truthfully tell people you have a mid-engine, supercharged, AWD, manual-transmission vehicle... and then roll up in a minivan!]

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    If telo actually launches a product I'll eat my hat.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    If it's electric, why is the hood tall? There should be no need and it is a danger to pedestrian and cyclists.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds great. Can I get it without spyware?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    State of Charge channel on YouTube did some research (and speculation) and believes the battery will be a 51 kWh LFP.

    That would mean the likely range on a mid-sized pickup (depending on the aero, wheel size, tires, etc.) is about 200 miles or less.

    It is also confirmed to be 400V architecture. So its likely to be fairly slow charging (compared to the best possible charge speeds in recent EVs).

    Informed speculation for those who are interested.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Sounds like it will be a poor road tripper, but on the other hand, I have used a DC charger exactly once in three years of EV ownership, so I personally am not going to fixate on that. Of course I have about 270 miles of range so a shorter range could change that equastion...

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Oh look, Ford is making another shit UV with a pretend bed, so innovative.

    Will start at $30k with the mandatory fees, before the dealers "value add" it another $15k.

    My 2006 Ranger is the last Ford I will ever own.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    One thing I will say is I wager they will have a midgate option, which could promote the bed to vaguely serious compared to a Maverick, in some situations. They have a few times mentioned surfboard in the bed, and double downed in their sort of reveal trailer, where they clearly show it laying down with tailgate up.

    May be a decent compromise in a truck market obsessed with crew cabs.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    How doesn't it tow, and what is the cargo capacity? To me trucks are about work. I hate 4 door trucks because to get cargo space compromises either length or need space. I had one before and it was not fun to drive but I used that full length bed. I have need to haul a big trailer as well. If it is the family I'll drive a car. (Spreading of cars, I want a tiny car as they are so much more fun to drive)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Based on the tone of their reveal, I'm not having high hopes for towing. Which would be a shame as I was hoping for a 4,000 pound towing capacity. Clearly targeted at city drivers that aren't doing a lot of real truck stuff.

    Their emphasis on surfboard in the bed tells me they will at least do midgate for more workable bed... At least in fair weather conditions. That might make it ok at hauling wood from the store for projects.

    On the carfront, would love for something like a miata, even with a short range.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Downside to towing with an EV is a trailer absolutely kills the range.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, but my towing is like 95% less than 25 miles. I'll probably rent a more credible truck if I should ever need to tow more than my vehicles can handle. Or else take the hit and suffer the delay of a commercial charging station or two along the way (and the aggravation of having to unhook and rehook the trailer, but that's not too bad. Only was ever annoying trying to back up to a trailer that you can't move the toung by hand and we didn't have cameras.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The MSRP listed is almost the same price a new Maverick starts at. Now let's see if they actually produce enough to meet demand to keep it at that MSRP, or if this will be just like when the Maverick launched and the dealers tack on another 15-20k due to scarcity.

    I'd consider this for a trade in of my hybrid Maverick, but we will see when it's fully revealed.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The Maverick is a truck, the mustang comes in a crossover, why even keep the names.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I just want a kei car, or functional public transportation, or sidewalks with trees over them.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I think I'm honestly going to do with an ebike. Car prices have gotten insane lately. I no longer travel across the country for work, and it's just me so I think I could manage regular small trips to the grocery store and back on a bike that I didn't have to do all the work to propel.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You might also want to check out Chinese electric scooters.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Appreciate it, but I don't think I'd be able to understand them because I don't speak Chinese. ^^

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    There are importers that get every thing translated. They are also pretty simple. Basically the same thing as an electric bike with a different shape.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I was joking about not being able to understand a bike that spoke Chinese, and your response had me picturing a rickshaw with some other guy running along side to translate between me and the poor bastard pulling me around.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Great another monster sized truck that needs to do a 3 point turn to get on to my street because they can't corner worth a shit. Even Maverick - which might be the smallest pick up I can get in the US right now is the size of a large to mid sized pick up.

    Man I'd love to have an EV truck that is the size of one of the old Toyota pick-ups from the 90s. Make me a truck that I can see over the roof of and I am sold.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    A Maverick is almost exactly the same size as a mid-'90s Ranger, which is a compact pickup. The only difference is that it's got more cab and less bed.

    (Source: I parked my Ranger next to a Maverick once.)

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    This is nothing close to a "monster size truck", it's actually quite small. Its smaller than a Maverick even. And while you can argue its not quite as small as the compact pickups of yore, there's absolutely no universe where it's "monster sized".

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    That’s kind of a cool name. Odd choice for a pickup, though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That ford CEO is consistently on the wrong side of everything. Not a chance. Not even if you threw in the upgraded aerodynamic cup holders

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I hate when articles like this don’t include a link to the actual announcement.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Why is Price X + "Delivery Fee"... no if I cannot avoid the fee then that should be in the price. $28,350 + FEE ($1,595) = $29,945 this is the price. Why is it always smoke and mirrors with cars?

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Is it just me or is it kind of disgustingly shaped?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    It looks like it's intentionally wrapped in a way that hides the proper shape right now, like there's a plastic bag on the front with something inside making it stick up more. Maybe I'm wrong, but remove all that and I think it's just generic Ford truck shaped.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You can pre-order cars now...?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I really want this to be good, but the fact that they aren't showing any of the specs tells me the specs are not going to be that impressive.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What was wrong with the Maverick, again?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Marketing execs can’t figure out why the F150 Lightning failed. Is it because they priced it at luxury vehicle prices? Fuck no, it must be because consumers were too dumb and must have thought it was a trim level or something. So this time they aren’t going to reuse an existing name.

    The F150 lightning is a fantastic truck. But the first BEV should have been the mid size, and maybe shoot for more range which is what consumers constantly doubt by streamlining the design a bit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Ew.

    Just release an EV Ranger with a diesel range extender option you can set in the bed for long hauls. Make the range extender look like any toolbox.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Why does it look like it was wrapped by my drunk mother that forgot about my birthday?

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