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[–] 170 points 5 months ago (9 children)

They expect layoffs. They're just going to blame AI for it.

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  • [+] -21 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    This is too dismissive.

    Industrialization and automation has already eliminated an entire class of work that was otherwise there.

    In a hunter gathered society or an early industrial society there was always work for everyone, in modern capitalist society, there quite frankly isn't, and that leads to huge numbers of people just being cast aside.

    And AI may wipe out a huge number of the rest. I genuinely can't possibly fathom how it will do anything but exacerbate every single one of society's problems.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    LLMs are not and will never be good enough to replace human labor. Augment it, sure, and that could lead to fewer jobs but that's not generally what happens. They are, however, good enough for execs to think they can replace human labor.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    The AI doesn't need to be better than the professional it's replacing, it just needs to be more cost effective than the barely capable outsourced worker the jobs was going to be given anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Not really, because when an employee fails their task it's the employee's responsibility, and if it's catastrophic enough it can lead to firings or lawsuits. But as soon as it's a chatbot, the liability fully rests on the company. How long will insurance protect those companies too?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They don't have to be as good to replace us.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It even can be a feature if AI isn't as good as the people they are replacing. For example, in the case of call centers/help lines, it might be more desirable to have a shitty system to discourage callers yet have plausible deniability…

    I find I'm referencing Cory Doctorow a lot lately…

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    There is a question of timeline. Maybe in 10+ years, but not 2.

    The early wave of layoffs in the sector "due to AI" were at the same time as the interest rate went up, pushing all tech companies to start focusing on profit. A lot of unprofitable divisions were cut because it stopped making financial sense to invest in products that didn't have day 1 revenue.

    You're now seeing companies doing layoffs and claiming AI to either hide that development in their companies have stalled or they are taking advantage of their new shiny remote work platforms to push wages down by shifting workers to places with lower cost of living.

    AI labor isn't worth its tokens, even when they are heavily discounted to gain market share. It might be in a decade, but not now.

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  • [–] 71 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Correction: 99% of CEOs are planning to use AI as an excuse to layoff employees to juice quarterly profits. They have zero accountability and golden parachutes, so no skin off of their asses.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    And the stock price bumps from layoffs mean they effectively get to just hand themselves huge raises.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Then parachute and let some other schmuck deal with the fallout

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    What I wonder is: how are they going to call in all the AI workers for meetings?

    And what doe RTO look like for an LLM?

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    "Expect". As though it's entirely out of their hands.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children)

    In my view it is. It's a race to the bottom. What is a company going to do when they are in a competition with other firms that have less staff but the same output (i.e., a much lower cost base)? The options are either to go out of business or to restructure to the market reality. This is a problem that needs to be solved at the government level.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    That might be the case if AI were actually as competent as humans and actually cheaper. AI may be faster, but they aren’t going to get any cheaper, and LLMs won’t get much more “competent” than they are now.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    AI is getting cheaper every year and the output is becoming better. Look at token prices. The so called frontier models are not that far ahead of the open source models that you or I can run essentially for free, either.

    The reality is that you can sit down and automate significant tasks with AI in an afternoon, today. I work in an industry where a significant amount of time is spent auditing and QAing output. A properly trained skill for Claude is able to do the same QA task to 90% of my (senior) level in 2% of the time. Similarly, it is able to coach the junior staff to produce work that is a much higher level than would be otherwise expected of them, reducing the actual audit length on that side too.

    I am hugely positive for the future of AI. I am hugely negative about what it means for people.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Clarification - these are management driven layoffs. AI doesn't drive anything, managers replace people with it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    well, not in the sense of "layoffs because AI can do those jobs", but still AI-driven in the sense of "AI did most of the actual grunt work of laying off those people".

    If there is a repetitive and predictable activity that can be automated at this point it's layoffs. Announcements and internal talking points are already clearly LLM-generated.

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  • [–] 66 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    You know, a year ago people in charge were all, like nooo we’re not going to fire people and pocket the payroll savings

    When did we cross the line where everybody stopped lying? I mean, our vaunted business leaders dropping the bullshit is welcome, even if its bad news… but the interesting bit is in the collective, unconscious decision to just own up to this as the likeliest future.

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  • [–] 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    The Trump admin has emboldened the entire upper echelons of society to drop pretense because enough of society is stupid enough to always buy it even if its painfully obvious that they are lying. They feel untouchable with their buddies in charge.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago*

    Exactly - the more easilly the "riff-raff" is to swindle or the less capable they are to push back, the more intensely and shamelessly the "upper" classes take advantage of the rest.

    You don't just see it in the historical trends (such as ever more reduced levels of broad representativeness of elected politicians in for example the US or Britain), you also see it across nations: for example after the 2008 Crash, the wealthy in France (with its tradition of public rebellion) were actually saying they should be taxed MORE, whilst the wealthy in England (whose closest to "public" rebellion ever was the Barons rebelling against the King leading to the Magna Carta) were openly lobbying the Government to be taxed LESS (and got what they asked for, with Britain endind up in Austerity, with the anger caused by it being successfully redirected against Immigrants and The EU, hence Brexit, so the wealthy were totally right in not fearing the "riff-raff").

    PS: that spirit of not provoking the streets of wealthy French did not survive the Macron years, especially once he won against the "Gilet Jaunes" (Yellow Vests).

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Can we lay off the CEO first? He’s pretty useless.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    5% of those layoffs will actually be AI related. The other 95% will be profits related.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I expect 99% of CEOs to get laid off. They are too lazy, expensive and don't want to work. They have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. Ripe for automation.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    Passive voice shenanigans. They expect to lay off. They're the ones doing it.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    99% of CEOs Expect Looking forward to AI-Driven Layoffs in the Next Two Years

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I find it weird how so many companies are targeting for layoffs instead of expanding the company. You get an accelerator..

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Companies are competing for the same market share.

    As an example, what are you going to do with four times more accountants than the total market needs? There are only a limited number of companies to do the accounts for. If one accountant can do four times the work as before, he might be able to expand. If every accountant can do four times the work as before, they cannot all expand. On a company level, why would you keep all the staff doing only 25% of the work as before? Their labour has been significantly reduced in value.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    have you seen what thier current mission, agenda is, almost every tech conference near me is AI specific. theres almost no other form of tech at these conference but some form AI bs they are pushing.(i work near a conference center)

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    https://isaiprofitable.com/ is a good site to see how profitable AI is at this moment....

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Including Nvidia in the revenue figure is like asking "Is playing in a casino profitable" and including the revenue of the house in the stats.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I dunno there are some people who have bankrupted multiple casinos.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    spend

    Was the site built by coke-addled used-car salesmen on their break?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Not just that - it confuses several financial terms.

    CAPEX is one time spend. Revenue is recurring. Take Microsoft, as just one example: They are stuffed with cash abroad - they only bring it home when there’s a moratorium; until then it just sits and waits. It’s much cheaper for Microsoft to spend it outside the US than to take it home - CAPEX that can happen outside the US is often welcomed by the big stock owners as it puts the money to work.

    Revenue happens every year. It’s like saying “is this banana stand profitable?” and then answering by saying “well the shed cost 10 dollars and the bananas sell for 5c”. You need more information to understand whether those are good or bad numbers.

    And I know - there’s always money in the banana stand!

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Well good news then, 99% of the population is going to force these 1% CEOs to be ...laid off...

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago

    Replace C-suite executives with AI before the layoffs, then transition to a Co-Op. ✊🏼

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  • This type of reporting is frustrating and I really should get off the internet.

    These surveys are done by consultanting companies that have large investment holdings. For example in this report one of the surveys is from Mercer, who has an investment wing that has a AUM (asset under management) ^1^ of $727 Bn according to their website ^2^. Would there potentially be any sort of chance someone like Mercer never put out a survey that goes against the bullish market driven by AI speculation? Obviously journalists won't think about these things anymore because that will effect their click rate.

    1. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/aum.asp
    2. https://www.mercer.com/solutions/investments/
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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    Anyone know of any publicly traded guillotine producers? I'd like to invest early.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Can any 'ai' round up billionaires and corporate CEO's and 'process' them through a woodchipper or guillotine?

    That's the only ai company/startup I'm interested in.

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    When CEOs layouts? We can have 200 workers for their pay which will be "prompt engineers".

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I ask again to consider that AI does not have to replace human labour to lead to layoffs. All it has to do is help existing labour to produce more in the same amount of time. In an economy that doesn't suddenly want to buy more product than it previously did, that means letting go of the people whose labour is no longer needed to produce the same amount product it previously had. Whether or not corpos are using AI as cover for layoffs, if today's AI increases productivity, it very likely will lead to layoffs. And there are signs that it does indeed increase productivity in some tasks in certain sectors.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Who are they expecting to sell stuff to if everyone is unemployed and fighting over an ever decreasing piece of the pie?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    That's (really) a political issue, not a company issue. Each company does exactly what it's supposed to do: maximize profit for their shareholders. Even if they know it will end in a total disaster, they'll keep doing that. That's how the system works. Making sure the system works is the job of the policy makers.

    Unfortunately, the policy maker is now in the companies payroll and so helps maximize the shareholders profit, there is no one left to look at the bigger picture and/or long term effects.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    That’s okay. I will choose not to participate in your new economy beyond buying essentials like food.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Would you look at that. They kept pushing layoff all the time for fake reasons to increase immediate profit, and now they'll have another fake reason to do mass layoffs for maximum immediate profit.

    What? AI? Who cares about that at this point. It's like a pretty ribbon on a big gift box to shareholders.

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    Layoffs of managers.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    They're a biased source since their bonuses depend on those layoffs.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    The company I work for has decided to change their TLD from .net to .ai to much eye rolling from the staff.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    what were the last 3 years,? the other AI-DRIVEN layoffs. with the amount OF AI startups they are peddling in every tech conference, im not surprised the event-goers are laid off as soon as the event ended.

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I guess they missed the memo that AI is now more expensive than people.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    That's before enshitification sets in and tech companies start jacking up prices and delivering a poorer service. "AI" will become more and more erratic as inputs become polluted with generated slop. The firehose of human knowledge will reduce and so the capabilities of LLMs. Golden age of "AI" is now

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago

    CEOs also have zero idea how AI/LLMs work. They are shockingly clueless.

    What I think they're really saying is: 99% of CEOs expect to blame layoffs on AI in the next 2 years

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    I suspect this is kinda like outsourcing which they similarly couldn't manage because they're bad at management.

    If a human cannot make sense of your directives, how will a chatbot?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    99% of CEOs plan mass layoffs in the next two years

    Fixed it for you

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    The C-suite doesn't even understand what AI can proper do and what it can't.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    RTO mandates then AI driven layoffs has been such an insulting slap in the face. We all knew both were bs, but the flagrant contradiction of "real work can only happen in person" to "sorry your job is now being done by a shitty LLM on the cloud" is just. Ugh.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    99% of CEOs are the person most replaceable by AI in their company.

    Would it cause the company to crash? Very likely. But if all the other employees remained they could possibly save it. More likely than the CEO trying to save the company when it's crashing from having replaced all the worker-bee people.

    Alien Invasion

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    It's always 2 years. Not so far to be fanciful but far enough to push it back every 6 months

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    These fucks get paid to say that tho.

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