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[–] 155 points 6 months ago (18 children)

Do butterflies infest homes and destroy property?

I feel like it's less what they look like, and more how they impact us. It's still very human-centric, but ya know, not so much a beauty thing as one might think at first.

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  • [–] 54 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Yep. Spiders are top 10 ugliest creatures in history, but I would never kill one unless it was a lethally toxic variety. Because they keep the population of disease-carrying, filthy-egg-laying proboscidean-vomiting flying vermin down. Spiders are bros.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, same thing with house centipedes, but I'd argue they're even uglier than spiders.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    yeah and they try to pretend they are your eyelashes, lull you into a sense of security and then bam they're drinking your eye juice

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine looking in the mirror in the morning thinking why are my eyelashes so tickly, and suddenly they start running around all over your face. This is why you should always keep a flamethrower in the bathroom

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Spiders and centipedes won't actually meaningfully decrease the population of other insects in your house. Both populations will simply grow together if the conditions are correct.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    If I removed all of the spiders from my house, the fly population wouldn't increase? I don't remember my high school biology too clearly, but I seem to remember a definite link between predator and prey which would suggest rampant increase in an environment where predators are sparse.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Predators and prey will always maintain some equilibrium, yes. But you can simply look outside and see that equilibrium typically includes a shit ton of other bugs (or birds, or mice, etc). You can also look at homes with serious infestations to see that this organic control alone doesn't typically keep pest populations in check. Nobody has ever gotten rid of roaches by introducing spiders. Sometimes you do get infestations of spiders though, in which case the spiders are usually eating each other.

    Generally, inside your home there are other factors keeping pest populations in control. With a few very notable exceptions, most insects do not actively breed indoors because the climate conditions are not correct, or there is not access to food, or they don't like the vibrations and noise. Most of what spiders in your home catch are bugs which get in by accident and would simply die in one way or another.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Textile moths do. Good thing that they’re drab looking.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    For real. I don't like mosquitos, either. Has nothing to do with the fact that they are ugly.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    really? Because the Prince of Proboscis was talking smack about you, and he has a schnoz like a bent candy cane. i know you two used to mash face puckers. And then there's billy buzzbutt? the homeless blood addict who invented molotov cocktails? that motherfucker gave you leprosy. And menopause. and i don't even know how that is supposed to be contagious. He was ugly as sin. Then there was Virginialetta. I should call her.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    nope, its all moths, clothes moths, pantry moths are very hard to eradicate. notable mentions are drain moths, and pantry beetles. butterflies are specializes to mostly flowers, or sometimes carrion, since they are recently evolved from moths, moths are very ancient insects.

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    [–] 134 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Roaches infest your home and spread diseases. Butterflies live outside and spread pollen.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    More like you are ingesting their house

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    There are a lot of things that we as an animal like or don't like due to evolutionary benefits.

    For example we don't like the smell of excrement because those that didn't, stayed further away from it and caught less diseases.
    Another good example is snake and spider phobias, those innately scared of venomous creatures survived more often than those that enjoyed their company.

    I'm 100% that roaches (and relatives) fall into this category as well. We find them slightly disgusting because those that did, killed them and lived with less diseases than those that thought that they were cute.

    Butterflies on the other hand posed no threat to us and remind us of flowers that were evolutionarily important to us (interest in agriculture).

    Killing cockroaches is self defence. Killing butterflies is murder.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    I avoid killing insects and other small bugs but you're right, I only kill the ones that carry diseases like cockroaches and mosquitoes.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I only do if they are inside. If they are outside they are just part of the food chain.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Idk man, all them spider bros prove this wrong.

    Sure ascetics are nice but it’s all about utility at the end of the day

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    just because somethings take precidence over others sometimes doesnt prove this wrong. there is some form of aesthetic reasonings behind some moral choices made by human beings.

    utility can overcome aesthetics handedly in many cases though.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I try to not kill any without asking my scientist friend if they're invasive.

    She said I'm allowed to scrunch all the spotted lantern flies, and I think they're very neat looking?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    lanternflies definitely defy this particular philosophical postulate

    for those of us who like the way they look anyway

    i stomped one nearby my toddler niece once and she looked a little too enthused by that, so I reminded her it's important to be a little sad when a living thing dies, even you killed it to help protect the environment :(

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    the pests will destroy homes, and spread diseases. butteflys are much more benign.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of butterflies eat shit. Like literally, I'm not just hurling baseless insults.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Cool. I'd rather they do that over eating and contaminating my pantry.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago* (13 children)

    Recently, my sister wanted to kill a caterpillar and I said that when she sees a butterfly, she looks in awe, but when she sees a caterpillar, she wants to kill it, and that it explains a lot about our society. It was enough to save the poor hungry caterpillar

    By the way, I don't kill cockroaches, I just shoo them away. They're nice and usually don't come back

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    I will 100% toss the green ones to the neighbour's chickens. They fuck up my cabbages leaving just the veins and little poop dots then fly away as detestable white moths to fuck up everyone else's shit. Sometimes I borrow a couple chickens and just let them go find all the yummy buggies themselves. They are so silly and make a fun show out of decimating my enemies.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Don't the borrowed chickens eat your plants as well? Along with everything in their path, and even you, if they were big enough?

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago*

    If mine are any indication, they’ll go hunting for bugs before they start scratching at stuff or eating plants. Even when I give mine pulled weeds the first thing they do is look for bugs on them. Those are the real prize.

    They have an amazing eye for slight movement, and are quite good little hunters (they really like catching mice as well). If you don't give them time to destroy everything, and keep your eyes on them.

    As a bonus they poop while they eradicate, and they do some mild scratching of the surface which is good for the soil.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I don't leave them unattended. I let them do whatever they want with anything already destroyed, and they seem to have fun if I chase them around to distract them from other stuff seeing as they come to poke me then run away when I stop following them.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Diocletian, is that you? The Empire needs you!

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah fuck native fauna! Gotta protect our imported flora and don’t even think of using a greenhouse to keep the insects out.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I've been told they are an invasive species but I'm no bug researcher.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I think you can find out what a bug researcher is called if you ask an etymologist

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Cockroaches tend to be food pests, butterflies are often pollinators. They're not on the same level.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Remjnds me of...

    Dennis Leary: My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually.

    Dennis: What are you?

    Otter: I'm an otter.

    Dennis: And what do you do?

    Otter: I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands.

    Dennis: You're free to go. And what are you?

    Cow: I'm a cow.

    Denis: Get in the fucking truck, ok pal!

    Cow: But I'm an animal.

    Dennis: You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!

    Cow: I'm an animal, I have rights!

    Dennis: (pointing at leather jacket) Yeah, here's yer fucking cousin, get on the fucking truck, pal!

    Dennis Leary, Dennis Leary: No Cure for Cancer

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    This is so true.

    Animals need to be treated equally. If you wouldn't eat your dog or your cat then why would you eat a cow or a chicken? They're just as intelligent. Just as capable of feeling, of loving.

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  • I agree. But I don’t see dogs or cats as special. Though arguably cats (which I dislike) are smarter than a cow. Whales and dolphins are also pretty smart. And apes of course. Most of the animals being breed for eating are particularly dumb. It makes them easier to manage. But they are still just animals.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Crushing cockroaches is a great way to spread its eggs and have more cockroaches in the future. Spray them with soapy water instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    This is a myth. Squashing a cockroach won't release the eggs. They'll die with the rest of it. The rumor likely emerges from the fact that seeing one means they've reached a dense enough population that you're going to see lots. However, there are plenty of reasons not to, mostly around the fact that it's largely ineffectual. Better to clean, remove sources of water, block points of ingress, and call an exterminator.

    EDIT: typo. Ineffectual

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    so ... I don't crush either. I'm just not into it and I think they all have the right to have a fair go. I'm pretty sure they have enough to deal with without me fucking up their shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    One spreads diseases, the other destroys my garden. Both are getting the boot.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago*

    Pollinators are beneficial while pests are detrimental. It's not a choice of aesthetics, but of self-interest.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    In both instances, you're the moral agent who gets to decide. And it's not our advantage in intelligence or wisdom, it's our advantage in mass.

    Morals have power dynamics, CMM.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

    Call me a hater, but I consider anyone who kills any bug, arachnid, insect, whatever, a hero. Absolutely HATE them all, no matter how vital they are.

    Edit:

    Hater, not gated

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    One day you will accidentally step outside this dimension, and find a god, that God will see you the way you see wee critters and act accordingly.

    want to be gently pick up by a giant interdimensional paper and cup or want to ve mercilessly squashed?

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It'd be hypocritical for me to say gently picked up given my track record with bugs, but my brain is wired to hate them because of my primal fear of them taking charge.

    I wouldn't mind changing that but I don't have the time and money to get over that fear.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    time? money?

    I'm assuming you already have a cup and paper at home.

    time to change? it takes less time to change than to read this.

    Go be kind to wee things

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    you're not supposed to use your molars, bonesy

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    Wait, isn't it all esthetics at the end of the day?

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