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[–] 64 points 6 months ago (1 child)

I'm more than willing to pay a premium for a PC controller that isn't going to have stick drift and will work a few years down the line. God knows how many xbox controllers I've gone through.

I trust Valve, I've used their product and played their games for decades and they've never let me down. they've made gaming on linux accessible and now extremely easy to set up and get going. $100 for a controller I will pay for.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    I'm definitely pushing for this to last a long time. The battery is the only thing that concerns me a little. I use rechargeable Eneloops with the original controller, and there's no danger of the AA battery form factor disappearing anytime soon. I'll likely grab a spare battery for the new one eventually just to keep in reserve.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Grand total it has 4 extra buttons, 2 capacitive strips, 2 touchpads, gyro, and the fancy magnetic joysticks. $100 did not surprise me at all.

    Of course, if you don't care about any of those features, it isn't the best deal, in the same way that a luxury sports car makes for a shit commuter vehicle. Not that the steam controller is "luxury" but like, if you don't want the extra features then the higher price probably isn't worth it. That doesn't make it overpriced, it means you aren't the target audience.

    Full disclosure. I'm that target audience. I'm already mentally mapping extra buttons to the left touchpad and thinking about setting the back buttons to my armored core's shoulder weapons.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    It was a breath of fresh air to see Valve employees on interviews clearly stating "it does and has all these things, if you don't want or need them, don't buy it." Not in the usual corporate entitlement way, but actually a pro consumer rights POV. They are not gonna pressure everyone and their grandmother to buy one, they made a premium tool for their steam machine and are aware of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    The fancy joysticks is the only thing I might actually want.

    Since nobody has made a controller as reliable as the old wired 360 controller and you can;t get that anymore I'd really like something less prone to stick drift if you give it a funny look.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Gamers divided on a piece of hardware? No shit

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It‘s almost as if it‘s not for everyone. Just like a $85 mouse or keyboard aren‘t. If you‘re still happily rocking your 10+ year old $20 third party controller alongside your $5 mouse then by all means skip this hardware release, folks.

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  • [–] 94 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (21 children)

    Every outlet that you are seeing run a headline about the Steam Controller being in someway 'controversial' or 'has a problem' or 'may be divisive' ...

    I contend that this is an anti-marketing campaign, being run by basically, potentially, the entire AAA gaming industry that isn't Valve.

    Nearly every major AAA game company is currently imploding right now.

    Except Valve.

    Because Valve is privately held and owned, it doesn't have a board of investors to answer to, to constantly juice next quarter profits for.

    It doesn't have a gaggle of people who sit on multiple corporate boards simultaneously, who sit on the boards of industry lobbying groups, who sit on the boards of astroturfed 'consumer rights' groups.

    These people all know each other, or in some cases literally are the same people.

    I of course cannot prove this conclusively, but just... look around.

    This is nuts, the number of media outlets going with a non positive angle, in the headline... of a product launch.

    Also consider that many of Valve's direct competition has extensive, direct ties to the AI bubble insano-mania, both hardware and software companies.

    ... Its not normal to have so many different outlets have such a standardized general framing of ... a video game controller launch.

    This is what a retired ex corpo ex MSFT employee such as myself would describe as sus.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    You know, I don‘t think negative reception with the press means there is a smear campaign going on by default. Maybe they simply chose that headline because drama sells.

    But it is interesting if you compare it to their headlines about the Switch 2 a year ago. A lot of sugar coating like „feature packed“ with a vague „but…“ at the end to address Nintendo‘s widely unpopular price policy. That‘s the narrative many tech journalists chose to go with prior to the launch at the time.

    For one reason or another a lot of them seem biased to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Yeah, but summarizing my reasoning as to why I think it is a smear campaign down to 'by default'... is to completely ignore all of my reasoning, which is frankly rude, and you strawmanning me.

    ... and then you point out that a comparable recent story/event... actually did have a substantial, already existing controvery... and was generally covered with more 'positive sentiment' words in the headlines, but yes did acknowledge the controversy.

    ... As opposed to essentially inventing it, as they've done with the Deck.

    Yes, drama sells, if it bleeds it leads, but for some reason, the degree to which headline sentiment matches vs doesn't match the actual story and pre-existing actual buzz around it, well that varies.

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  • [+] -42 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    No. Valve spends a shit load on marketing and almost none of the articles over the past few days have been anywhere near negative.

    100$ for a controller is fucking stupid. If valve wasn't paying everyone off, they would be getting ripped a new one.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    The switch 2 joycons are the same price, and the Xbox elite controller is more for less features.

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  • [+] -17 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    Ya and no one thinks those are fairly priced. Xbox and Nintendo isn't the bar.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    The fact is that the Steam controller is way more feature rich than other controllers from major brands in the same price point. The price tag actually makes sense vs what Nintendo and Microsoft charge for inferior hardware.

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  • [+] -23 points 6 months ago* (9 children)
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Would you pay the same price for a Microsoft controller if it had little pads?

    If it had all the other little things like TMR sticks, repair-friendly construction, really deep configuration, and other hardware in the family having a track record of good software support, unironically yes. As much as I hate Microsoft, their accessibility controller was a big win.

    Also, it's not simping to genuinely like a company's products after using a lot of them.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Exactly this, the fact that Valve makes the controller is mostly irrelevant to me (the only difference is that I trust Valve to deliver on their promises, other manufacturers I might wait a few months for reviews, and especially to see it it's compatible with Linux and SteamInput). But if Microsoft or Sony, or 8BitDo had released a controller with these features for €99 I would have brought it too.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Is this thing worth 5 third party controllers?

    If you're gaming on $20 controllers no wonder you don't see the appeal here, it's like someone saying "is an Nvidia 5080 really worth 5 Nvidia 3050s?", completely different audiences.

    Good controllers don't sell cheaper than half the price of a steam controller, so you wouldn't even be able to buy 2 controllers for the price of this. And there are plenty of controllers a lot more expensive than this that offer no benefits. Even the ones that cost half are, IMO, less than half as feature-rich, so yeah, definitely worth 2 Sony/Xbox/8BitDo controllers.

    Are three of these worth a steam deck?

    No, because the Steam Deck doesn't cost 300, only the model they were burning stock did for a little while (that's like saying the OG steam controller used to cost $5), and that model is no longer being made, so the question is are 6 of this worth a steam deck? But that is also kinda moot since it's out of stock and might increase in price because of the ram shortage.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Well since you think this should be cheaper why don't you go and make your own Steam controller for cheaper and then sell it and rake in all of these absurd profits you keep jerking off about?

    Because I'll be first in line buying that controller from you for $50 or whatever you think it's "actually worth".

    Until then I'm sorry but you're blowing smoke up your own ass with your own ignorance.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    It's as overpriced

    WTF you basing this on?

    What would you compare it to then?

    Or do you have the details of the actual costs to manufacture and know the margins Valves has on this hardware?

    No of course you don't, because you are talking out your ass.....

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    I'm not getting paid by Valve, in fact I will be giving them money for this controller as soon as possible. If you only play controller games then yeah, €99 for a controller with just 2 extra buttons and capacitive gyro might be too much (although, the capacitive gyro and extra buttons alone justify the price for me). But no other controller can be used to play mouse games comfortably. The trackpads might not be for you, but to claim they're not worth it is naive at best, as they're the ONLY good solution for this problem and no one else is doing them to be able to say "this other controller does the same and is cheaper".

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  • [–] 31 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I still don't get the controversy.

    Are you an avid Touchpad user on the Deck or on the OG Steam Controller? Buy this.
    Do you just want a controller for your PC? Buy an Xbox, PS or Third party.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It's the rear buttons,

    And the insane customization and re-mapping of buttons/functions/gyro/etc that steam allows you to create that sells me on these controllers.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    8bitdo pro 2 has gyro, back buttons, and native steam input support for like 40 bucks, so it's gotta be mostly the touchpad.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Correct. On top of that, the 8BitDo acts as a bog standard Xinput device without the need for Steam, so if you're not a touchpad user there's really no reason to get the Steam Controller over the 8BitDo.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    The only controversial part is that it only works on steam. Which is pretty wild imo. Why would you need more that just the controller's driver for it to work?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    It does work as a mouse by default. Valve calls it "Lizard Mode", and you use the touchpad to move the cursor and the triggers to click.
    But yeah I do agree they should have made standard buttons and sticks act as XInput and the touchpad as the mouse by default.

    that being said, I fucking hate microsoft for stifling controller innovation with their antiquated ass xinput so i when i see a controller not support it i have to force myself to not think "god bless"

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    I can‘t speak about software updates just yet because I have only seen them being applied via Steam but the controller works out of the box. I‘m assuming you can update it by downloading a file too, though. That would put it far above some competitors because guess what? A lot of them let you install some shitty software for that. At least Steam is already installed on my machine. I run Linux after all and ironically Steam is already helping me setting up controllers from other manufacturers.

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    [–] 14 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    The only thing stopping me from buying the new Steam Controller is all of the original Steam Controllers I have that are all still working fine.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I dug out one of my OG Steam Controllers today. I basically got it free with a HEAVILY discounted Steam Link, so I've never really used it.

    Turns out that right touch pad is ridiculously sensitive, to the point that it's unusable. So I need to spend some time figuring it out.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Fortunately they came correct, and every aspect of every input is insanely adjustable.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Yeah, I'm not sure what was up with it yesterday, but I've spent some time this afternoon messing about with it and it's kinda nice. That's using Moonlight from my Mac too. The more I fiddle with it, the better I'll figure out how to adjust it to my preferences.

    Still doesn't feel as good as kb+m, but for casual Powerwash Simulator 2 on my Macbook on the sofa, it's pretty cool. And I guess that once I get used to it It'll be much nicer.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    But that D-PAD,

    Serious talk, this new steam controller only exists because the old one didn't have a D-Pad, sure, the new touch pads are nicer, but really we are all upgrading our old steam controllers to this one for the d-pad.

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  • [–] 142 points 6 months ago (25 children)

    prices that have raised eyebrows among some gamers.

    WTF?

    Only those that know nothing about the features and tech internal.

    price is a steal.

    With prices of hardware in general world-wide (non-ram related) we're lucky this isn't $120US or $150US

    Switch 2 Joycon's are the same price for fuck sakes...

    Xbox Elite Wireless Controller is more expensive, and can't do the things this controller can do.

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Also Xbox controllers have garbage ass build quality. Valve seems to make pretty solid hardware. The only one I see as comparable is the PS5 dualsense controller, but it's still missing some things like the extra buttons. It has a touchpad, but just one, and it's not optimally placed, imho.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I have serious stick drift on Dualsense controllers after using them on and off for just a year. 3 controllers, all with the same issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I like the Dualsense a lot at its best, but I go through roughly a controller per year probably. One of them something with the rumble loosened. Not noticeable in some games, but when I was playing Returnal it sounded like a jackhammer. Another the sticks got...sticky in a way that was really distracting. Stick drift on another, and my current one the right arrow stopped working. I had to re-map it to the left stick click to play Infinite Wealth, and other games like Elden Ring just won't work with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Agreed though, when they work they're comfortable, responsive, intuitive. At their best they're the best controller I've used.

    But for $80+ these days they should have hall effect sticks and mechanical switches. I've started buying https://www.gulikit.com/ controllers, which have both and are much cheaper, but not as comfy or responsive.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The Index conttollers were a bit of a joke, in terms of both build quality and ergonomics. I had like 3 RMAs.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    we’re lucky this isn’t $120US

    £85 GBP is pretty much $120 USD (it's $114).

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Not everyone is in us. 99 euro no matter how reasonable prices a lot of Germans out

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Prices can't be compared directly, because in Germany we have the taxes in the price included already. And the taxes in the US vary I think. So the difference is less than it looks like by just converting with current exchange rates.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago*

    Yeah, but is it really that much more expensive than other controllers? PS5 Dual Sense is 79€. Xbox Series X/S is 65€ with the Elite 2 at 200€. Considering the additional features of the Steam controller and current development of hardware prices, the pricing seems reasonable.

    Edit: I should add, those are recommended retail prices (UVP), and the actual prices from individual stores can be lower.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Last year my wife picked up a pair of regular Xbox pads for us to use when playing couch co-ops over Sunshine/Moonlight. When the pricing for the new Steam controller was announced, she went back and had a look at what she paid. They've gone up in price and are currently £80.

    Each.

    For an extra £5 you get haptics, touch pads, FAR better stick technology, and all in a package that's as repairable as it can be.

    Yeah, £85 is a fucking bargain at this point.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Right? Just compare it to the glued mess that is the $90 Switch 2 controller or to a $200 DualSense pro (or whatever name Sony’s premium controller goes by).

    Say what you will but Valve built the Steam Controller to last. I expect the first weeks to be a little bumpy on the software side (as is always the case with controllers) but it will quickly become very future rich. Likely more so than any other controller. And Valve is doing all that with a focus on Linux.

    I am not one to easily praise US tech companies and Valve is far from perfect but the Steam Deck has a very good track record and this controller seems like it meets those standards as well.

    It‘s a very good deal if repairability, full Linux support and feature richness are what you‘re looking for.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Sorry dude, I'm not paying $100 USD for a controller. The last controller I bought cost me ~$30 USD (GameSir T4 Kaleid) and has everything I need, including hall effect sticks. The steam controller having cool tech like touchpads and a gyro and whatever else is cool I guess, but I don't need or want that. No amount of stuff like that is gonna make me spend that much on a controller.

    So yes, the steam controller price raised my eyebrows, in the same way that basically all first-party controllers do. They're all crazily overpriced imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    They're priced for all those things you don't want that other people do. It's a bit like complaining that a racing motorcycle is too expensive because all you need is a scooter to get around.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    If it's priced like a racing motorcycle then you shouldn't be surprised when people raise their eyebrows at the price.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Do you often look up the prices of racers to be shocked by the price?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Only when people comment that 'the price is normal, actually', and that I ought to buy one because they're so cheap.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    In comparison to comparable devices. Are you incapable of understanding context?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    The original comment couldn't understand why people were 'raising their eyebrows' at the price. I said because it's basically a luxury item. Whether there are other alternatives that are even less value doesn't factor into it. That's the 'door in the face' fallacy.

    Regardless of whether a Rolls Royce is more or less 'value' than a Lamborghini there's gonna be a whole bunch of people that are gonna look at that and say 'why would you spend X times the money when it gets you from A to B just the same as a Toyota Corolla'. That's the answer to the original question.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Both of the other controllers you listed are already too expensive for what they are. That doesn't really justify the price of the Steam controller imo. This isn't a "pro" controller either. This is the only one Valve offers. Sure it has a lot of good tech and features, but its all stuff they have been putting on the deck for years. I would hardly call the price a steal. I feel like a fair price for a controller like this would have been about $70-80. Not to mention, Valve isn't trying to only sell this to tech enthusiasts. They want this to be a widespread product. $100 for a controller is too steep for an average consumer.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I'm so pissed (at myself), I thought this was going to be delayed indefinitely like the steam machine so I broke down and bought an xbox elite controller a month ago. That stupid controller was 250 bucks after tax and it doesn't have half the features the steam controller does and its only 90 dollars.

    I really should have been more patient.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Damn, you really should have. The controller isn't affected by the RAMpocalypse, so people have been suspecting this would end up being released first since the delay was announced. I'm waiting for the Frame most of all, so I'll take your comment as a reminder to not break down and buy another headset early.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    250 USD ? In the US, like on Amazon or Best Buy, is that the normal price for an Elite + Tax?

    Holy shit. Now I understand why people are defending the SC2 pricing.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, there are several premium controllers in the $200 range. People unhappy with the price are thinking of the SC as an expensive base model controller when feature-wise it's more like an inexpensive premium one.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Feels more in between to me. Premium would have better buttons, adjustable polling rate, adjustable stick length, maybe trigger stops or swappable face plates, adjustable weights. It really does give base model controller vibes. Plus it costs a third of what I paid for a steam deck, and that controller came with a screen and a computer. Recent economic devastation notwithstanding it feels like it should offer more for the price to me.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I have two Elite 2s, one for my wife and I, was hoping they'd finally last us a long while, nope, within a year both have stick drift and faulty bumpers.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    My coworker is on his 10th or 11th Elite controller.

    He bought one and when it developed stick drift in 6 months he went to try to do a warranty and it'd supposedly take a month or so and just be a repair. He ended up repairing it himself with new sticks, which also developed stick drift in 6 months. Oh and the back buttons developed double clicks.

    He ended up just going to a store(target, best buy, whatever) and bought a new one and then put his old one in the box and returned it.

    Does it every 6 months when the controller starts acting up. So been doing this for years. Target doesn't care, best buy doesn't care.

    Funnily enough I told him about the Steam Controller and he said why buy that when there's the Elite controller or the PS pro controller...I'm like you're on your 10th one? Why would I buy something that has that many issues?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Oh good, I have that to look forward too.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, maybe you'll be lucky lol.

    I was very angry considering how expensive the controllers were, I've become increasingly disillusioned with Microsoft/Google/Etc products as they charge a premium price yet theyre often much worse then competitors at a similar price.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I got a gamesir controller which retails for nearly the same price, but I got it at half price so I'm somewhat OK. I would have been devastated if I had to shell out full price a week before steam controller got on my radar.

    My condolences, and may your unfortunate purchase serve it's purpose for long enough to be worth its price and more.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Its like a few dollars more than other controllers with double the features and quality. What are people complaining about? 85 for something that'll last years and give you 1000s of hours of enjoyment is a no brainer

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    A standard, official Xbox controller is $85 CAD. This thing is $150. That's almost double. I agree, the features sound great (especially having used the original steam controller, I know how good their touchpads are), but still... Almost double.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So who's paying for this hit piece?

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