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[–] 148 points 7 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 115 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    ICP is based as hell:

    "I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG

    Out here pretending like you ain't offendin'

    I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG

    You redneck judges with racist grudges

    I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG

    If you gotta tattoo, I'm aimin' at you

    I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG

    You get punched in your faces reppin' the racists"

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  • [–] 103 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

    Speaking as someone who isn't a juggalo, it's clear that the subculture represents a lot more people than just the ones who identify with it. Like with Punk, a lot of outsiders don't look past the aesthetic to realize that they're trying to convey an important social message and be a voice for disenfranchised groups. They aren't just people in clown make-up, they're people who were fucked over by society and this is the outlet they found. Sadly it's easier to laugh at memes about magnets than to confront their reality.

    I'd include the rap subculture as well but regrettably their message became diluted when they achieved mainstream success and were co-opted by the marketing and propaganda machine as another tool to perpetuate the Spectacle.

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  • [–] 71 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I am also not a Juggalo, but every one that I have met has been kind and accepting to an aggressive degree.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago*

    I grew up around quite a few as they are pretty common in the Middle West especially middle and low income areas. Aggressively inclusive is a pretty good description of the subculture's values. There's some bullshit like anti science and anti education, but it comes from the elitism and exclusivity of those institutions which is a problem in public outreach and inclusiveness in academia. Most of the juggalos I've met just want to do drugs, listen to horrorcore rap, and watch wrestling, but I've also met some that can't stand any of those things but just celebrate the stuff they do like instead of denigrating other people and their aesthetics.

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    I grew up around a lot of juggalos. The music is kind of just a small part of the culture, it really is an entire culture, one based on acceptance of anyone. At least in the 2000s there wasn't anything else like that. Old heads gatekept punk, they had officially declared punk was dead. Metal was mainstream. Eminem was the only "credible" white rapper because he had street cred from Detroit. If you didn't feel like you fit in, the juggalos were there saying you're welcome here. If you decide to call yourself a jaggalo, then you are, and you're apart of the family. No interrogations about what music you've listened to your whole life, when you got into a specific scene, what socioeconomic background you have.

    And yeah your second point about rap is 100% true. I saw $uicideboy$ come and go. I remember in like 2014 they were underground, I really fucked with them. They made over 500 songs, had a huge following for the time, and were doing great. Then they signed onto universal to release iwtdino or whatever in like 2018. Never felt more betrayed. I really fucked with yung lean too, but he straight up said he was going to sell out. He was gonna get money. I respect that. $B are just corpo shills now acting like they're underground while being the most mainstream corpo rappers to exist currently.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Rave was the same way until it also got pulled mainstream around 2007/2008

    Before that we had assholes like Joe Biden trying to outlaw it by saying proving water to patrons was “encouraging drug use” and classifying any clubs that did it as “crackhouses”

    That shit was my church and they burned it. I stand in solidarity with Juggalos.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I was trying to figure out where edm fits in to that but yeah, it was mainstream by the 90s. Started in the 70s, by the 80s there were defined raves for edm. But its hard to look at rave culture/edm as a whole since its so old and widespread. UK edm was different than US edm which was different than Latin American edm etc. Then all the divides within edm. House ravers didn't want to go to hard style raves. Hard style ravers didn't want to go to trance raves, etc.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The Chicago anti rave law that allowed cops to treat raves like crack houses and drug dens. That meant anyone at a “rave” could have all your equipment seized and you’d be arrested. They made the definition of a rags as a gathering of 10 people and a DJ. Now a DJ isn’t going risk his decks or records being taken by the cops. The property owner could have the venue seized too.

    So everything moved into the downtown Chicago clubs and because 21+ and way way more expensive.

    Eventually the modern rave became EDM fests because everyone got a piece of the $$.

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Hello fellow juggalos, it’s me, a juggalo. I was just taking Wolfie for a walk.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Ha ha, took me a minute to recognize him as Nathan Fillion from the Rookie. 🙂

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  • [–] 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    You know those influencers who are like makeup addicts? They often use shading or tape to change the shape of their faces. I wonder whether they could fool facial recognition technology as well.

    The difference being that a person made up like that won't stand out as much as a person wearing Juggalo makeup.

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Second time this week I've had an occasion to use this gif. Shame I couldn't find one with more pixels.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Times are tough. You got to save pixels where you can

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Those clankers are consuming every byte they get their hands on. 

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    We must be close to the sort of flexible eink display that will finally make Rorschach's mask a thing.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Juggalos are still identified as a domestic terrorist org, probably for this exact reason

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Why would they need facial recognition? Just look for the guy in clown makeup.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    I used to think juggalos were cringe but I'm really digging how based they are ideology wise. Their music isn't my taste but I've got weird musical preferences anyway.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    That’s Chris Rock, you’re thinking of the dude from Mr Robot

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    No that’s Christian Slater, you’re thinking of the dude from American Psycho

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    No, that's Christian Bale, you're thinking of the guy from American Gods.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    If Juggalo makeup isn't your thing, going Sith would probably work just as well.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    If you're thinking of Darth Maul, that was his face because he was a Zabrak and they sport facial tattoos. Facial tattoos aren't a necessary feature of the Sith.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Are they tattoos? I thought Dathomiri Zabrak just had skin spot patterns?

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Fan of Insane Clown Posse, aka ICP

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's what it is? Well fuck if I know

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Yah, it was a big ol subculture in the 00s. Still kinda around but nowhere near as much. I grew up around some. Crunchy as hell but extremely anti-racist and anti-homophobia (despite almost all of them gratuitously using the word “fag” and all its other forms, but that was the style at the time.) I had almost entirely good experiences with them.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    He’s duckin’ them drones, he’s swerving them cams,

    He’s rockin’ that greasepaint, confusin’ the scans.

    Facial recognition? Ha, you ain’t got a shot,

    When my mug’s lookin’ wilder than a Jackson Pollock!

    He’s pourin’ out Faygo, all sticky and sweet,

    Splashin’ those lenses, now the fuzz can’t see.

    He’s trickin’ Big Brother, he’s hackin’ the flow,

    They livin’ 1984, but he’s sayin’ “Fuck no!”

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  • [+] -10 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    hey just so you know "white trash" reinforces a racial hierarchy, and is thereby a racist term. as a term, it is built on the presumption that white people are supposed to be higher than the lowest rung of society.

    whatever you may think of ICP's fans, this critique of them is classist and unhelpful

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    [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    No need to paint the face, this is known since time by Paparazi tired famous people.

    https://medium.com/@alinabirjuk/unseen-and-unheard-the-power-of-anti-surveillance-clothing-156570fefb0e

    To avoid smart glasses, this app

    https://github.com/yjeanrenaud/yj_nearbyglasses

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Yes, but, you have to keep changing the makeup design!

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Last year, Ticketmaster and LiveNation invested in a former military facial recognition company, with the hope that the technology could be used to both strengthen and speed up event entry

    Because of course

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Wasn’t this established a long time ago?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Great until the cops are looking for that one Juggalo in Jamestown but you have to represent..

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Ya know, they do have two songs I like, maybe I'm a juggalo now

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Just outta curiosity, what are those 2 songs?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Homies and spin the bottle lol

    Homies is just a great track, period. If anyone else had done it, it would have been bigger than it was.

    Spin the bottle is less great overall, but I like it anyway

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    fr from Feb 2024-Jan 2026 if I was listening to music, 90% of the time it was ICP. But before that there were two songs I really liked: When I'm Clownin and Hokus Pokus.

    Spin the bottle

    hadn't heard that one... I still need to check out all the collaborations they did with people like Twiztid.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, and Twiztid has a few decent tracks as well.

    Wouldn't be able to name them without looking up though, not something I listen to a lot.

    One of the things about ICP is that I tend to appreciate parts of their lyrics, but the rest falls flat. I don't dislike their music, it just doesn't do it for me. It falls right under the threshold where I won't change it if it's playing and I can change it. I tend not to be able to listen long because I'd rather have something else, or even silence, rather than have them in the background for extended listening. But I can tolerate it for short and medium times.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I don’t dislike their music, it just doesn’t do it for me.

    I feel the same way about Twiztid and the rest of the Psychopathic artists. They're OK, but I don't go out of my way to listen to them. With ICP, some songs are better than others (as is true of all musicians) but the best ones are great in heavy rotation, and most of their albums are at least half full of good songs.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Alternatively use a guy fawkes mask.
    Wait...

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    So the Juggalo 's were right?

    Man, this timeline is insane

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    People will call the cops on clowns they spot on the street, and cops respond. I kid you not, at least in some places.

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