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[–] 57 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Metric in logic, but standard measurements are ingrained into my brain so it's more practical. I think that sucks.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Agreed. If I am making it building something then I prefer metric. If I am thinking about how tall something is or how long it is I think in standard. I just feel that one foot is a good size to measure something rather than meters or centimeters. It's much easier for me to imagine a 6 foot tall object than a 1.83 meters or 183 centimeters. It's just easier to break something up into 6 parts than it is to break something into 1.83 parts or 183 parts.

    I know you could use a unit that equals 25 centimeters and that would be similar to a foot, but no one uses that for some reason.

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  • [–] 47 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I always preferred metric and Celsius. When I lived in South Korea, I was able to adapt immediately. Now I live in Europe and it makes all of the conversions easier.

    Americans resistant to metric, in my opinion, are not very smart.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    Murican' here. The only place I prefer Fahrenheit is in weather mainly for how ironically base 10 it scales for human related comfortability for outdoor activity.

    100°+ dangerous heat

    90s very hot, drink lots of water

    80s shorts weather

    70s comfortable

    60s long sleeves

    50s jacket weather

    40s bring a coat

    30s coat and hat (water freezing is here at 32°)

    20s layers

    10s insulated layers

    0s very cold, protect exposed skin

    -0s dangerous cold

    Everywhere else I'm fine for C°

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You can just scale it down and have the same experience. It's all just habit and familiarity

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The whole point is that it is ironically base 10. I thought that was the goal?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    That's incidental:

    he adjusted the scale so that the melting point of ice would be 32 degrees, and body temperature 96 degrees, so that 64 intervals would separate the two, allowing him to mark degree lines on his instruments by simply bisecting the interval 6 times (since 64 = 2⁶).

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    the range of average surface temperatures seen throughout the year in the contiguous US.

    So give it a few more years of global warming and you won't want to use that anymore either.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Be thankful you at least stick to one system.

    I'm British so we use some weird mash up of everything.

    Weight - imperial when weighing people, fruit and veg (from a market), metric when weighing everything else.

    Height - imperial when measuring people, metric with everything else.

    Distance - imperial when walking or driving. Metric when running.

    Fluids - imperial for milk and beer. Metric for wine and soft drinks. We fill our cars with litres of petrol but calculate fuel economy in miles per gallon.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    This is the way.

    I was raised needing a yardstick with inches on one edge and centimeters on the other, and the words "'Merika, Great Britain fuck yeah!" scrawled along the center.

    (Edit: I crossed out 'Merika, so now you can borrow my yardstick.)

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Weight - imperial when weighing people, fruit and veg (from a market)

    ... wait... What about stones (as a unit of weight)? Or is this just a Scotland thing? (People were asking my weight. I had kilos, I had pounds, but they were wanting stones. .... Like really?!?)

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The A system is superior to any american shenanigans!

    A4 paper size FTW!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    2xA5=A4

    2xA4=A3

    2xA3=A2

    2xA2=A1

    2xA1=A0 = 1 m²

    And the ratio between sides is √2

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Metric. All day, every day.

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  • [+] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I also convert, neither system bothers me. I truly believe that the pushback against standard measure is that most people who use metric don’t know the conversions well enough to comfortably use them. Most Americans don’t either, hence their resistance to metric. But once you learn how to convert between the systems in your head (roughly) you can navigate both. It’s like being bilingual

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If America adopted the metric system the need for convertion would go away. So there is no need to be bilingual in this stuff... Use metric and that is it. But you cannot do that as a single person. Laws should be passed.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I normally don't talk about this in public. 

    But I'm Bimeasurable. I go both ways. Sometimes at the same time. That 7 inch 5mm I got packing is exciting.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Metric. I do a lot of woodworking and auto repair and anytime I have to use not metric it's annoying

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    I'm used to Imperial but metric is objectively better and easier to use.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Metric. Imperial is a fucking mess. At least with Metric, most size measurements are 10 to the power of something.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago*

    Metric for most measurements except temperature (Fahrenheit - same reason you gave) and colloquial distances/velocities (e.g miles to the store, miles per hour).

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Metric 100% when I'm working with mechanical stuff my mind works in metric but my brain has been poisoned to use imperial in other things and I actually really dislike it.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Metric seems to be the superior measurement. Problem is , I can visualize 6in and NOT 6cm.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    But a classic 12" ruler is 30 cm.

    Half of that is 6" or 15cm

    Half again is 3". Or 7.5"

    Then realize visualizing didn't need to be accurate because it never will be anyway and go from there.

    An inch is about 2.5 cm if you need a quick and dirty reference.

    Converting by halfs was my go to.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It depends on what I'm doing.

    Baking: metric - grams on a food scale help me replicate recipes perfectly.

    Cooking meat: standard - 140°F steak, 165 chicken

    3D printing: metric always

    Woodworking/household: standard - inches are just the standard for all the things. Wood, curtains, hardware, etc

    Mechanical: ??/?? Depends on where it's made! I hate having to switch wrenches or sockets due to the wrong standard.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    Metric. I've had my phone set up to display the temperature in Celsius for the last ~8 years so that I can get a sense of it without doing math all the time.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    100% metric

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I use metric when working on personal projects and cad, I would vote yes if a miracle happened and switching all of the us to metric was on the ballot.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Metric - so much easier to understand and work with. I personally hate the imperial system, but I know it because of where I grew up. I would shed no tears if the U.S. switched to metric tomorrow.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Same as you. I agree on Fahrenheit on the same principle, but it's not that big of a deal and °C isn't that hard to adjust to.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You get used to what you use. When people tell me F I have no idea what they are talking about. I hate when my car or home reset to F after a power outage because they display gibberish. Is 68 a good inside temp? I know exactly what to expect for C.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    This is true, but Fahrenheit is directly based on climate norms (though thanks to global warming there's an argument to be made for recalibration). For F, 0 is as cold as it typically gets most places, 100 is as hot as it typically gets most places. By that metric it's a useful measure for climate temperatures. For that purpose, measured temperature norms make more sense than the freezing and boiling points of water.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    From what I've read, that's only a story that it was based on climate temperatures in his hometown. According to the story phycist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit defined the 0 and 100 degree points of his scale as the highest and lowest temperatures regularly observed in his hometown of Danzig, now Gdańsk, Poland, then later when he needed to recreate the 0 point of his scale he came up with a brine that stabilizes at a specific temperature.

    What we do know for certain is that the brine existed, was made of water, ice, and ammonium chloride, it did indeed stabilize at 0°F, and according to a letter he wrote the scale was based on the Rømer scale, but adjusted in magnitude so he could make 32 divisions between the brine stable temperature and the freezing point of a regular water solution, then 64 divisions between that point and what he observed to be the normal human temperature. The reason for 32 and 64 divisions was that since those numbers were factors of 2, they would be easier to divide linearly between their respective upper and lower bounds.

    Fahrenheit observed that using this scale water boiled at roughly 212°F then after the popularity of the Celsius scale some 50 years later redefined his scale so that it kept the original freezing point of 32, but now had 180 divisions between Fahrenheit's boiling point. This kept his existing scales fairly accurate to the new definition (the upper bound which was 96°F was now measured to be 98.6°F and the lower bound of the brine was 0°F now measured at 4°F) and used the new convention of defining the scale by water while keeping some nice number of divisions between their points, although they are a little more arbitrary now than they were before.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I prefer metric, it just makes more sense. Also having to add fractions in order to measure something is maddening. 10 1/4" + 4 17/32" vs. 260mm + 115mm

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Metric system 100% of the way.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Imperial system (or whatever the US system is called ) should go away. Let's all just one standard.

    Unfortunately, since I'm from the US, I only really know this one, and it's hard to switch when nothing else has switched. I'd put up with the pain of switching though.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Sadly, the US system is not the same as imperial. As far as I know the main difference is the gallon.

    1 gal. Imp. = 1.201 gal. U.S.

    I also hate having lb.f. and lb.m (pounds force and pounds mass), which have different units and at sea level are different by a factor of about 32).

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Between all the science classes and the love of building PCs I'm all in on the metrics system.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    For F and C, C is better for things like cooking, where what water is doing is useful. F is better for what we feel. Low numbers feel cold, hot temperatures (approaching 100) feel hot. I know people get used to C, if you're using it every day, but I still think F is the better system for it. That doesn't mean we should use it though. I think we should just switch to C and deal with it.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Metric all the way

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I have my phone set to show me the temperature in Celsius. I've tried really hard to internalize how far a kilometer is, and have failed so I still have my distance units set to miles.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I grew up with metric, so I have my temp/weather set to C as well. The only time I deal with F is with my thermostat. I’ve driven long enough to be able to visualize how far a mile is, but I still can’t visualize in feet past human height.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Metric. I’m a mechanical engineer. I absolutely hate the amount of extra work i have to do because this country idiotically still uses USCS / standard. Every American company I’ve worked for is metric, but suppliers are often standard only.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    My digital micrometer has a button for switching between regular and metric I don't give a single fuck

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Excluding a few examples like frequently used gym weights, common fastener sizes, and short distances, I still have to do rough conversions in my head to have an idea of what a metric measurement is, so I guess I'd say imperial.

    But I wouldn't be upset if the US converted to metric.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Weight of human beings, weights at the gym, etc.: pounds

    Height of people: feet and inches

    Height of buildings: mostly feet, but occasionally meters.

    Depth of water in scuba: meters

    Kitchen weight: grams

    Kitchen volume: fluid ounces only between 0-128 oz, then gallons after that. Decimal places, not fractions. So for example, cocktail recipes should all be in ounces, no tablespoons or teaspoons.

    Distances in wilderness: meters/km

    Distances on a football field: yards

    Distances on a basketball court: feet

    Distances on roads or in cities: miles

    All temps in Fahrenheit.

    Energy in calories for food and heat, watt hours for electricity, joules for everything else.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    As of today, I am completely unable to estimate or visualize metric values with the exception of the meter (because it is roughly the same as a yard). That said, I would prefer to switch to metric and get used to it rather than continue using our current measurements. It would be vastly preferable to me to use mm and cm over fractions of an inch (I hate fractions, I much prefer decimals).

    For temperature, I still prefer F over C. As you said, F is much more metric-like with a 100 degree range that roughly spans the typical weather environments we live in. And considering that the boiling point of water is only 100 C at sea level, that fact is no more valuable than remember that water boils at 212 F at sea level. The reality is, I don't actually care what specific temperature water boils or freezes at (at any particular elevation). I happen to know what the values are in both C and F, but it doesn't matter in my life (except for when I was trying to bake when living in Colorado).

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I would prefer that we had continued on the path of converting to metric until Reagan killed it.

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    Raised in imperial land but studied science in college, so I prefer metric for almost everything other than talking about large distances.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    PhD in stem, also Murican, I use the metric system. I also have the conversions memorized, like 1 inch is 2.54 cm.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I tend to use metric when I'm designing 3D models.

    In woodworking and other linear measurements, I use imperial units.

    Celsius for my 3D printer, but Fahrenheit for weather.

    Driving is miles.

    In cooking I use imperial units.

    Metric for Physics.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    When I see imperial units in high school physics I wonder what is the point. We typically use SI units so that constants are the same across the board. I can't imagine c being anything else other than 3e8 m/s.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I remember my sophomore thermodynamics class in college always seemed artificially hard because the only really difficult problems were ones where they decided to use fucking BTUs.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Scientists and physicists go in to use metric in work. US Engineers often go on to use imperial. Slugs and kips are units somewhere in there. But the engineers that calculate with gravity tend to be back in metric

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    The only reason I prefer Freedom Units is because that's what I've grown up with and know. If I had grown up using metric, I would choose that all day. It just makes more sense, there's no random "12 inches to a foot" or "16 tablespoons to a cup" (I had to look this one up).

    Metric is easy. A decameter is 10 meters. There are 10 decimeters in a meter. Each step up or down is 10 of the previous.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    They aren't freedom units anymore. Maybe fascist units, tyranny units, something more along those lines.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    The term was always tongue-in-cheek.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    No. Americans have always called themselves leaders of the free world, leaders of democracy, the land of the free, and until about a year ago, they were, in principle, a free nation.

    Now they are not. Now calling them free, is a lie. You dont get to call them freedom units anymore. If you want that back, you'll need to get your freedom back. I will always let anyone i see that uses that term know they are no longer free, as long as they aren't.

    The loss of their freedom, and their choice to very little about it so far, will mean lots of pain and destruction for many people while their leader wages war on peiple starves them of power etc... all of his actions are blood on their hands. Unless they start doing everything in their power to prevent it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    I know it's not nearly as easy as 10s, but I always think of Freedom Unit liquid measurements in 4s.

    1 gallon = 4 quarts (the name kind of gives that one away) 1 quart = 4 cups 1 cup = 4 quarter cups (yeah yeah, I know. Duh. But wait...) 1 quarter cup = 4 tablespoons

    And then teaspoons have to be little assholes and throw the whole thing off, but whatever.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I've converted to metric as an adult. Including Celsius. Does it piss my wife off? Yes. It's better though

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Most often I don't get a choice. There is one system that makes sense for this because it is already in use.

    My house was made in a standard system - the studs are 16 inches on center. The pipes are half inch (there is nothing half inch about pipes if you measure them). Using metric would be a big pain because the house was designed around standard measurements and so things are much easier to stick with it.

    Our roads are standard. I can set my speedometer to metric - but then I'm in danger of breaking the law if I forget to convert. I tell someone "go X km and turn right" - but they won't know what a km is, and their odometer won't tell them either.

    I work with farmers in Candada who measure crop yields in kg/acre because their local elevator buys their crop by the kg, and their land was measured in acres long before the country went metric - this is mostly about where they put the roads so land makes more sense when you measure in standard even though everything else in the country is metric.

    I use metric where there is no reason in the real world to do otherwise. Which means I mostly don't use metric because almost everything I do deals with the world around me.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Same! It isn't really a preference ad much as it is just using what fits into what everyone else is doing.

    I am certainly more used to imperial for car speeds, temps, and cooking but that is because it is what I use and what recipes commonly list and what I have practice using. If society flipped over to metric I would probably get used to it in less than a year.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    It depends how you mean it. I prefer Imperial measurements because they’re what I’m used to but I honestly think the U.S. should join the rest of the world and use the Metric system.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I like cm and meters, also like feet and inches.

    When I make bread, it's grams and kg for sure.

    My phone tells me the temp in C, but I understand F better.

    I freaking love the cups to pints to quarts to gallons thing though. It's archaic and beautiful. Gallon divides easily into 4 quarts, 8 pints, 16 cups. 128 oz. I like that doubling pattern. 8 pints in a gallon 8 ounces in a cup, it's just fundamentally pleasant in some way.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I much prefer metric, but I live in the US so the Imperial units are what I grew up with and can work with most easily. The rest of the world uses metric, so I end up dealing with metric units quite a lot too. I have gotten to the point where I have a fairly good intuitive grasp of most metric units. I almost always use metric when I'm measuring things for my own use.

    I do prefer Celsius to Fahrenheit for temperature. Fahrenheit may have made sense in the era and location where it was created, but in the larger world, where climate change is well underway, it no longer fits. The idea that the normal range of temperature fit into 0 F to 100 F was never true outside of the temperate zones. Just within the lower 48 states in the US we regularly experience temperatures above 110 F in the south and below 0 F in the north.

    Also, it has always been true that the temperature that matters most is the freezing point. Putting that at 32 has never made any sense.

    It frustrates me that the US came so close to adopting metric, then backed away, while the rest of the world moved forward. Now we're stuck with the worst of both systems.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Prefer metric. So much easier conversions. However, it is hard for me to think long distances and weight in terms of metric, on the fly, and ambient temperature.

    Also a lot of tools are still in "standard" so have no choice but to use it.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    metric for math, F for temperature, whatever the fuck ounces/cups are for cooking because thats what my measuring receptacles say

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  • I'm comfortable working in both systems, I prefer standard for furniture building because I need to divide by 3 or 4 more often than by 5. I'm also going to fly in knots, nautical miles and feet of altitude.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Metric ARE standard measurments, the others are wierd.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Metric for everything but temperature because 69F is nice.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I use both all the time, prefer metric

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    metric, since i was in the stems. people would freak out if you use kelvin.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I do like metric for a few things distance and mass. Temperature I prefer Standard when cooking or asking about the weather. Scientific metric is much neater and handy. When talking pressure I understand/like PSI better than Pascal.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    woodworking, house stuff, cooking, imperial all the way.

    engineering, modeling, etc, metric city.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Used to Imperiel, especially with fluid amounts and temperature. It can die in a fire when talking about dimensions though. For example, when trying to figure out what the one up or down size of a socket wrench is is infuriating in fractuons. Metric is so much easier.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Talking about distance, miles.

    The limited wood working that I do, Metric. It's just easier to calculate.

    Measuring things for other purposes, such as measuring windows for blinds... Imperial, because most places use it.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I prefer metric for stuff I can use it for but in my industry everything small is measured in thousandths of an inch and everything big is measured in inches + fractions of inches so I usually use that in my day to day.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I prefer metric but the C vs F I’m completely indifferent

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