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[+] 91 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just by literally any of the other handheld PCS and just stick an emulator on it if you're that interested in playing the games. The only reason to buy a Switch 2 is for convenience.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The problem is that the Steam Deck is nowhere near as powerful as the docked switch 2 at this point. I'm still gonna buy a Steam Deck instead of a Switch 2 because of Nintendo's bullshit, but that kind of sucks.

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The USB consortium should sue Nintendo to force them to take the USB connector off the switch 2 then.

    It ain’t universal if you block it. From working with anything but your devices, and yet you advertise it that way.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    I've never been so unhyped for a new games console in my life.

    my hype for Ryujinx 2 intensifies tho

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's rich, from a company that stops making or never makes enough its first-party accessories. Ask anyone interested in getting an Ethernet adapter for Switch, or a first-party Gamecube adapter more than like 8 months after those products launched. Get on Amazon and try to buy an official Switch dock from Nintendo; there is no official outlet for them there, so you're either buying pre-owned, or a lookalike knockoff, or an explicit knockoff, or something that MIGHT be real but it's from a weird seller, at a suspiciously low price, with some random text in the item name. Christ, get on Gamestop's website! They only have refurbs and pre-owned ones. It's been like this for as long as I can remember. Nintendo cannot be trusted to make their own shit and trying to stop third parties from doing what they won't is peak anti-consumer behavior. A classic Nintendo Move™.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I know it doesn't matter, but after all I've read about Nintendo and the Switch 2 in the last year?

    Fuck 'em. I'm going to get a Steam Deck or a Lenovo handheld, and I'll just enjoy the Nintendo products I already have. I'm not spending a small fortune on a console that they can brick remotely, or force me to buy a $50 proprietary charger for, or a "virtual game cartridge".

    Fuck all of that bullshit.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    When you pay engineers to make a product worse

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can't read without a subscription.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago*

    I selected all and copy/paste before it popped up with the subscribe. It's not perfect and I didn't do any editing, but it's readable.

    Edit: now that I read it, I guess it's not all there but TLDR there is encryption between the dock and console that prevents 3rd party docks.

    How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

    We whipped out a USB-C PD analyzer to test how Nintendo walled its garden this time around. by Sean Hollister Jul 2, 2025, 3:47 PM EDT

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    If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may earn a commission. See our ethics statement. Nintendo Switch 2 Photo: Amelia Holowaty Krales / The Verge Sean Hollister Sean Hollister is a senior editor and founding member of The Verge who covers gadgets, games, and toys. He spent 15 years editing the likes of CNET, Gizmodo, and Engadget.

    There’s always a reason why universal USB-C ports don’t “just work” like you’d expect. In the early days, it was incompetence or naiveté. Later, manufacturers often cheaped out. But in the case of Nintendo’s Switch 2, it appears to be intentional.

    With the Nintendo Switch 2, it should be easy to plug your new, more expensive console into video glasses or TVs when you’re traveling away from home. USB-C makes it so. But Nintendo has intentionally broken the Switch 2’s compatibility with those devices, using a new encryption scheme and some form of dedicated encryption chip, two accessory manufacturers tell The Verge.

    I haven’t yet found proof of that encryption chip myself — but when I analyzed the USB-C PD traffic with a Power-Z tester, I could clearly see the new Nintendo Switch not behaving like a good USB citizen should. A third-party Switch dock, plugged into a USB-C PD tester, about to be plugged into the Switch 2. Please forgive the terrible photo. A third-party Switch dock, plugged into a USB-C PD tester, about to be plugged into the Switch 2. Please forgive the terrible photo. Photo: Sean Hollister / The Verge

    If you’ve been wondering why there are basically no portable Switch 2 docks on the market, this is the reason. Even Jsaux, the company that built its reputation by beating the Steam Deck dock to market, tells us it’s paused its plans to build a Switch 2 dock because of Nintendo’s actions. It’s not simply because the Switch 2 now requires more voltage, as was previously reported; it’s that Nintendo has made things even more difficult this generation. How docking works

    That “U” in USB isn’t always “universal,” but this is generally true: if you plug any USB-C to HDMI adapter, dock, or hub into a USB-C laptop, tablet or handheld that supports USB-C video output, you can expect to see your screen automatically appear on your TV.

    The magic is normally possible because of a simple, standardized set of instructions that any manufacturer can follow to make their docking station or hub “talk” to the computer. Subscribe to The Verge to continue reading. More in this stream See all We confirmed Nintendo’s Switch 2 TV dock supports VRR — so why doesn’t it work with Switch 2? Sean HollisterJul 3 12 Can you spot an authentication chip in the Nintendo Switch 2’s dock? Sean HollisterJul 2 9 Obsbot will update its Tiny and Meet webcams for Nintendo Switch 2. Sean HollisterJul 2 More in Report We confirmed Nintendo’s Switch 2 TV dock supports VRR — so why doesn’t it work with Switch 2? We confirmed Nintendo’s Switch 2 TV dock supports VRR — so why doesn’t it work with Switch 2? Sean HollisterJul 3 12 Meet Soham Parekh, the engineer burning through tech by working at three to four startups simultaneously Meet Soham Parekh, the engineer burning through tech by working at three to four startups simultaneously Emma RothJul 3 20 Can the music industry make AI the next Napster? Can the music industry make AI the next Napster? Elizabeth LopattoJul 1 15 ‘We are the media now’ ‘We are the media now’ Mack DeGeurinJun 29 101 Reddit turns 20, and it’s going big on AI Reddit turns 20, and it’s going big on AI Jay PetersJun 28 24 The Nintendo Switch 2 webcam compatibility mystery is solved and updates are on the way The Nintendo Switch 2 webcam compatibility mystery is solved and updates are on the way Sean HollisterJun 26 14 Top Stories An hour ago The American system of democracy has crashed Two hours ago This is not a tattoo robot 2:37 AM EDT The Loop Micro is my new favorite bicycle phone mount Jul 3 Deerhoof did not want its music ‘funding AI battle tech’ — so it ditched Spotify Jul 3 Meet Soham Parekh, the engineer burning through tech by working at three to four startups simultaneously Jul 3 A guide to the best sci-fi streaming this summer

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    How is this not illegal in the EU?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    How would it be? Unfortunately there are still a lot of consumer hostile practices going on that are completely legal in the EU. I‘m no expert of course so I‘m curious what EU law would regulate this exact practice.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    The EU went after Apple for their proprietary chargers and the court directed them to switch to the USB standard.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    EU made iPhone have proper USB C port, instead of proprietary stuff

    It can probably do something about this too. I think USB C rule was only for phones so may not directly apply to Switch, but they can make Nintendo fix it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    I bought a Switch last November and couldn't believe the bullshit Nintendo is pulling. $60 for almost 10 year old games, horrible network adapter on the switch, no voice chat except through a stupid app and it's not even available in most games. Add to that that the fact that I hate Nintendo's policies and attitudes towards modding and emulation and consumer protection and I'm never buying another Nintendo console. I'll go with the Steam Deck and I'll be selling my Switch in the next couple weeks. Nintendo is an anti-consumer aggressively capitalistic corporation in my opinion.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    I was so fucking hyped for this thing. I've been waiting nearly a decade for MP4. But then its just the usual enshittification..So sad

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I'm honestly sorry for any fan of nintendo, this is getting worse day by day.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Between their stealing YouTube money from people giving them free advertising and never reducing the price of decades old games, if they make them available at all, and their shitty online experience, I'm amazed Nintendo has any market goodwill left, but reality never ceases to amaze me. Nostalgia is a powerful beast.

    I understand they make some of the most fun games ever, but their legal department cancels that out by an order of magnitude.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can't read the article because of the paywall. But, why does my viture mobile pro dock work if switch 2 docking is broken for 3rd party solutions?

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  • Will always be PC gamer forevea

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Serious question, were any of you using third-party docks on Switch 1? Is this really something that's a big deal to you guys?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It also breaks other stuff like being able to output video to portable video glasses. A relatively niche use now, but something that will pick up considerably over the life of the console.

    Having a floating 4k screen that you can put anywhere at any size is pretty nice. Don't have to look down at your hands or hold the system up to a comfortable eye line.

    I do hope that at some point they open it up a bit more. And maybe only exclude stuff that would damage the system, which is ostensibly the -given- reason for locking it down. While of course, the real reason is likely a licensing opportunity.

    I do still buy their stuff. But it has been more and more often lately that I buy it and then feel ok about emulating it to add in stuff like 4k 120 fps or VR/stereoscopic or whatever.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I have an USB hub with a Type C to HDMI output. I switch with my laptop, Steam Deck, and Switch 1.

    Additionally, when I'm traveling, I prefer to take the small USB hub over the chunky switch dock.

    My biggest gripe is how petty it is to disallow it. That's like HP levels of petty... Actually, they're really starting to adopt a lot of shitty HP policies.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Imagine posting an article on Lemmy that requires a subscription. Unbelievable.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The country where I live has this article available for free (other articles from the site do require a subscription, albeit they are labelled as such).

    I normally post archive.is copies for subscription articles, I thought this was in open access.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Imagine not paying for work of journalists

    Instead you get technological fox news

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Knock knock, Nintendo.

    Suprise!

    Its the Consumer Protection and Defense agency of Brazil!

    https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/nintendo-faces-legal-action-over-ability-to-brick-switch-2s-whenever-they-want-3221145/

    Yeah, Brazil is evidently not cool with the 'we can completely brick your device remotely' schtick.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Yep. And unlike most toothless consumer protection agencies in the US, Procon does not fuck around. They'll even straight up force gaming companies to unban someone from a game if the person felt the ban was unfair, and force them to not only return their entire progress, but all of their items and pay them a sum for the damages. Add that to the fact suing in Brazil is completely different than in the US: everyone is assigned a lawyer for absolutely free during the entire process, and customers win cases against big companies all the time without ever having to spend a single cent.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I wonder if the EU can throw the book at them. Technically the port on the switch is not USB-C but a proprietary port with the same physical connector. But EU mandates USB-C especially so people can use chargers and things they already have. So I wonder if Switch 2 violates EU regulations.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    it mandates it for charging, but i dont think the mandate technically applies for other functionality.

    i wouldnt be surprised if as a device it charges normally with pd chargers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The original Switch didn't confirm to USB-PD properly, I doubt the second one does.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    EU law that mandated all devices under 100W to adhere to the USB-PD protocol only passed a few years ago. Comparing it to the switch 1 is invalid because it was designed before the mandate existed. I made my statement with knowledge of the mandate

    if you want to doubt nintendo didn't follow it, nintendo is effectively illegally selling the switch 2

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago

    Everything about Switch 2 has made me hate every choice Nintendo has made.

    Guess I'll sit out this generation, and focus on backlogs. Then in 10 years, I can always just pirate the Switch 2 catalog.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I read about Nintendo's ability effectively brick them remotely yesterday and decided to cancel my order. I have had every Nintendo console since the NES, for better or worse, but I am definitely skipping this one.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I know 'canceled' is the American spelling but it looks weird to me without the second L.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh my god, it does have two L's. I've been losing my mind this entire time for like the past... Well since getting auto correct.

    I thought I was just bad at spelling.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Both "canceled" and "cancelled" are correct spellings, but they are used in different regions. "Canceled" is the preferred spelling in American English, while "cancelled" is preferred in British English.

    For whatever reason, even though I'm American, canceled just looks wrong to me.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can't believe they did it again.
    While on the Switch 1 it might have been because the USB PD spec wasn't fully finalized when it was made, on the 2 they're being actively malicious.

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  • Just another example of Nintendo sucking.

    I’m so glad I didn’t buy this piece of shit. Keep your junk, Nintendo. I’ll enjoy your games on PC when emulation comes.

    Which is funny because I would have been a paying customer. But now I don’t have to!

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    Everyone who actually buys a Switch 2 deserves exactly what they get.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Nintendoesn't

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sigh, the more I read about Nintendo Switch 2… The more nonsense it becomes.

    I actually was curious about the Switch 2 and was wondering about Donkey Kong Bananza. Though, the more I read, the more I hesitate to purchase one later on.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I mean, the Switch 1 also abused the heck out of the USB-C specification (I can't find the really good write up anymore unfortunately :( ) Not surprising they would do something similar here. This post suggests it's not actually that dire

    The EU AFAIK only requires that USB-C charging needs to be compliant.

    ETA: This is in no way me going in to bat for the big N

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah the requirements are for USB-C power delivery for devices capable of charging @ (if I remember correctly) > 15W.

    The requirement was placed in the radio equipment directive of the EU so unlikely they will amend it to add requirements for USB-C cabled data transmission.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In another post I wrote on this I encouraged the potential of 3rd party docks eventually happening

    Thinking more on that I will say that nintendo probably did this because of third party docks damaging switches. I repaired a bunch of switches and a common issue I would see is a blown up pi3usb chip with often pcb damage leading to pin (iirc) 5. This was caused by cheap/shitty docks feeding too much power or incorrectly negotiating power delivery. It wasnt just like cheap AliExpress docks either, nyko, insignia(best buy), etc actual name brand docks would brick your switch.

    Swapping the damaged chip for a good one would make the switch boot and work normally except it would only work in handheld mode. To work in dock mode you’d have to rebuild the damaged trace. Nintendo won’t do this; they would just replace the entire board, so to them this is a very costly repair (though tbf paying a tech labor to replace a chip and rebuild a trace is costly too as it’s much more skilled labor, requires more testing, and has a much higher potential for failure after repair)

    That said I still think it’s a users right to use a third party dock if they so choose. Fuck nintendo. Though nyko should be on the hook to buy you a new switch if they design a piece of shit that wrecks your switch

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Though nyko should be on the hook to buy you a new switch if they design a piece of shit that wrecks your switch

    Nintendo also tried to lock down the Switch 1 docking, and 3rd party manufacturers had to hack together workarounds. "When Nintendo released the original Switch in 2017, accessory makers similarly had to figure out how to crack Nintendo’s esoteric docking protocols, and some of them (Nyko) allegedly led to damaged handhelds."
    I'd more blame that for causing the issues in the first place, if the Switch spoke standard USB-C, then all reputable docks would work with no weird hacks.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My decision not to bother with it keeps feeling better

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I hate that I'm probably going to buy this for that Donkey Kong game 🫤

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    It is what it is. I had already accepted that I would probably buy it if/when Mario Odyssey 2 comes out, but then I saw the Nintendo Direct for the Donkey Kong game and it looks fucking dope. I think it's the same team that did Mario Odyssey.

    First party Nintendo games are really the only reason to own a Nintendo console anymore imo, and I could not care less about Pokemon and shit... But I'm a sucker for a good Mario game. The DK game looks like it's on the scale of a Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    You do you, but I refuse to support a developer that routinely shits on any project their fans make and stifles emulation for consoles / games that they never plan to sell. Not to mention problems with their hardware and pricing.

    In this day and age there are tons of amazing games in every genre, how much are you really missing out on by not playing Nintendo games?

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    everything I read about the new Switch just makes me more confident in my decision to not buy a new Switch.

    Maybe I'll just get a Steamdeck and run an emulator.

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    This seems like it would violate some kind of EU law.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    People keep buying it.

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