Words matter.

Always use simple direct language.

  • Help the poor
  • Healthcare for everyone
  • Good treatment at work.

Don't use complex words.

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[–] 149 points 1 year ago (10 children)

One of many lasting “gifts” of Reagan.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We’ve got to get all those welfare queens 25 year old males playing video games back to work! They’re getting a free ride that they don’t deserve. People only have value when they are working!

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    I'm not. I much rather he lived forever. Forever wasting away, seeing his loved ones perish, losing his sanity little by ever so fucking little, inhabiting a hell all of his own.

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    I don't think it's healthy to dehumanize our villains. He probably had loved ones. You don't need to be a monster to do monstrous things. All humans have that capability within, you and me included.

    It's like that famous answer to "what stops you from murdering and raping?" “Nothing, I rape and murder as much as I want, which is zero."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I agree. We shouldn't demonize our opponents.

    Humans can be monsters, but there are different kinds of monsters too. One special group is the psychopaths.

    I believe Regan was one, and I think he saw relationships as transactional.

    OK, maybe he wasn't, let's assume. But he gladly saw to massive swathes of destruction of American people because he did not see them as humans. If someone can be that callous with human lives, I can think and call him a monster. Because, how can you tell the difference?

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Propaganda works

    I’ve always said that if you really wanted communism or socialism to take off in the states you’re gonna have to call it something else

    I also don’t use cis because the machine has already made that a thing people don’t want to be called

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This one gets it. The key takeaway should be that humans are very fallible and propaganda works alarmingly well.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We shouldn't be trusted with our own care.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fucking lazy ass aliens taking their sweet time... Just invade and incorporate us into your galactic empire already!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ... For what reason?

    Not being too sarcastic, but what makes you think we'd be interested in a backwater planet full of hairless great apes?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, straight/heterosexual people didn’t want to be called that, either. They want being cis and heterosexual to just be “normal” and any variation to be abnormal. Fuck that, they’ll do the same thing to whatever euphemism you pick instead.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cis is just the opposite of trans, but it has nothing to do with orientation. You can be cis and heterosexual, you can be cis and homosexual.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Try reading a novel where one charter is "they/them". It's needlessly confusing, and bring the hate, it's a stupid fad.

    It's literally been used in the singular for hundreds of years for any individual where the gender is not known, and has never in my life been confusing. For example:

    "The suspect entered the store, then they exited through the back."

    English is my first and nearly only language and has been for 42 years, and there has never been a time that a singular "they" was not used. It is not a fad, the fad is taking issue with it. And hopefully in 20 years we won't have to deal with this fake "all of a sudden" bullshit, whether it's "they/them," vaccines, or any other nonsense that people suddenly take issue with because some talking head told them to and acted like it was new.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    While it's true that the singular they/them has been used for a very long time, it was used in a very narrow context. It was used almost exclusively for an unknown person, or a theoretical person. In your example, the suspect is unknown, if it was known that it was a male suspect or a female suspect, the suspect would no longer be as unknown and so the sentence would probably be changed to "The suspect entered the store, then she exited through the back."

    You can tell that it had a very restricted use because of how "themselves" was used. For example, "anybody who wants one can get themselves a beer". That's a singular construction, but in a way that it might apply to multiple people individually. There was no need for "themself" because "they" was always used for unknown or theoretical people.

    Using it for a known person, especially a person who might be currently sitting in the room, is a brand new and confusing use. Now, it's not like English doesn't have other confusions, even around pronouns. Take: "she was drunk and her mother was angry, and she slapped her". Who slapped whom? Sometimes the pronouns alone aren't enough and you need to restructure the sentence to make it more clear. But, the fact that the singular they is used with the same verb forms as the plural they can add extra confusion. Take a non-binary player playing a team sport: "They're not playing well but they are." If the personal pronoun version used "is" instead of "are" it would be less confusing in situations like this, but it would be more confusing in other ways because "they" could use both plural and singular verb forms.

    It would be just as confusing if people suddenly started using "one" as a pronoun not used for a theoretical person, but for a concrete and actual person. One has been used as a subject pronoun: "One must remain vigilant", and an object pronoun: "Wounds can make one weary." But, it is always a theoretical construction, it has never been used to refer to a specific, known person. So, it would be confusing to start using it that way: "Give it to one, one doesn't have one yet." But, even that would be less confusing than singular "they", because at least "one" uses singular verb forms, etc.

    They/them for a specific, known individual is a new way of using "singular they" and it adds a lot of confusion You can argue that despite the confusion it's necessary, but you can't pretend that it doesn't add confusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Language reflects the culture in which it is used. In these times, there's more acceptance (though not universal) of the premises that a) sex and gender identity are separate concepts, and b) a person can have a gender identity that does not map onto a 'male/man-female/woman' scheme.

    Given this, singular they/them makes sense - on discovering the identity of individual who, while almost certainly male or female (though intersex exceptions exist), does not neatly fit into the category of man or woman, they can remain a 'they' where someone who is distinctly a man or woman doesn't. This assumes they do not use other pronouns (some do, but neopronouns get a lot of flack).

    I'll be candid and say I don't get why this throws people off, and I've had to fight prescriptivist English profs about it before. It only makes sense to me if we discard the premises noted at the beginning, and that doesn't make sense to me. To my fellow men - how many times have you been told you are/are not a man on the basis of factors beyond having an Y chromosome, a dick and male secondary sexual characteristics? And you're still certain that gender identity is inherent on the basis of biological sex alone, rather than related but distinct social constructions?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    does not neatly fit into the category of man or woman

    What defines the category of man?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Great question, and one that's pretty fraught at the moment. I don't have an answer beyond a tautology - a man is someone who identifies as a man - and the knowledge that some cultures assign adherence to certain behavioural norms to that (ex. A man acts as breadwinner, is competitive, has a certain type of physicality distinct from women, etc.), most of which crumble with any hard look at them.

    To be frank, I don't really care about what a man or woman is. If identifying as a man if female, or a woman if male, makes it so someone doesn't want to blow their brains out, then that's a cool and good thing. But note the distinction - man != male and woman != female in my statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    some cultures assign adherence to certain behavioural norms to that

    Isn't that sexism, something we should be fighting by saying "women can do that too?"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    It is, though noting the term sexism itself hasn't been replaced with another that captures the distinction between biological sex and gender, at least one I know of. Gendered prejudice could be one, I guess.

    We should be fighting it in a few directions:
    "Women can do that too"
    "Men can do that too"
    "Women don't necessarily need to do that"
    "Men don't necessarily need to do that"
    "People who do not consider themselves men or women can do that too, and/or not do that."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It seems to me that saying that someone does not neatly fit into the category of man or woman is accepting that "category of man" and "category of woman" are valid categories. Rather than fighting sexism, it's reinforcing sexism. If someone truly believed that cultural norms about what's male and what's female was sexist BS, there would be no need for a "they" pronoun.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well yes there would because communication is necessary and important. They may want to communicate this distinction outwardly in a way that can't be ignored, in order to fight perceptions.

    I do think your argument holds some water, that it can reinforce sexism to think rigidly in that way. But I think the leap from that to the conclusion misses the key context of the society and culture in which we exist.

    And moreso the signals members of it use in order to find others like them, signal support, or signal opposition.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I don't think it adds any more confusion than the pre-existing pronoun confusion you already described as part of the language (your she and her example) and there is already an established answer for it (you don't use a pronoun for one of them, you use their actual name or what you are referring to).

    Pretending that it adds some grand new confusion that makes it difficult to keep up with because in very rare circumstances someone who is already really bad at communicating with pronouns (because one would have to have problems with your "she slapped her" reference to have problems with singular they/them) might have difficulty communicating what they mean by "them."

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Think of how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I heard a working theory that we have too many humans on the planet. Some of them were supposed to be reincarnated as ferrets or insects but came back as humans instead. These are the people who are now in charge.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's hyperbole to say that modern medicine has saved the life of too many idiots who went on to have idiot children. It's hard to have that conversation without people assuming you're venturing into eugenics but it is a real thing.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Ah, ~40% of Americans are complete fucking morons, that sounds about right.

    ~40% of Americans also read and write at an elementary school level or worse, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

    ... I think we've found the mythical 'independent, median voter'.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Ah, ~40% of Americans are complete fucking morons, that sounds about right.

    You're leaving out the 29% who are against it no matter what you call it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    thevoidzero basically captured my response, but yeah.

    A total fucking moron is a person who is literally too stupid to understand anything going on around them at anything but the most basic level of abstraction.

    They have no ability for critical analysis, very little independent thought going on beyond what immediately and directly affects them, personally.

    That isn't to say they can't learn. Its just that they can't really 'think'.

    'The mark of an educated man is the ability to honestly entertain a thought they do not believe in.'

    They can't do that, that would be very difficult snd confusing for them, cause them immense discomfort.

    Functionally too stupid to be responsible members of a modern democracy, easily tricked by propoganda... essentially amoral, because they cannot formulate nor adhere to any kind of consistent, intentional moral framework.

    ...

    The 29% below... well, they may or may not be relatively stupid, but they at least have a consistent belief, albeit an evil one... this shows they have an above elementary capability for abstraction and consistentcy.

    Which unfortunately also means that only about 30% of people are, at worst, well intentioned, but could also possibly be stupid, though not as stupid as our glorious 40% in the middle that is easily swayed by rhetoric, phrasing, emotional manipulation, "vibes", etc.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    54% of Americans read at below a grade 6 level.

    Welfare is may litterally just mean 'moocher' to an American who has been drowned in propaganda their whole life.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I read about that and i'm not sure what to make of it. My nephew is in second grade soon, and he can read pretty well. He doesn't like it, because it's still hard for him. But i'm sure in 2 or 3 years he can read well enough to become president of the united states and not be a nazi. So i'm not sure if the reading level is the problem.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    because welfare has been propagandized as used by "lazy and homeless, and poors, and blacks" its usually based on racism as well, the true welfare queens are Conservative voters.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The timeline is this. The 1950s boomed and created the middle class. Why? FDR decided subsidizing the American people, instead of the robber Baron class, was the way. This subsidy approach to the working class had never happened before in American history.

    A middle class cannot happen organically in a capitalist society. It requires government subsidy.

    The 50s were built on the backs of women, forcibly ejecting them from workplaces to be housewives, and excluded people who were not white. But the American middle class was born due to these subsidies.

    And so it went.

    Then, in the 80s. The concept of the evil welfare queen was touted on the national level, and our government decided subsidizing corporate instead of a middle class was the way.

    This doesn’t happen overnight, but they begin chipping away at subsidies for Middle Class America and flip those subsidies to corporate America. The belief is, or at least the sales pitch is, subsidizing corporate America is more fiscally efficient than subsidizing the middle class and will ultimately benefit everyone to create a booming, thriving nation.

    And so it goes for 40 yrs. Both parties, in tandem.

    The chipping away to go back to the subsidizing of a middle class started in the oddest of places. 2020. After the massive destruction of the middle class, and abject proof of how disastrous to the working class subsidizing corporate America is, absolutely squeezing everyone making less than $300k/yr, by the numbers, it was that old man’s admin that tried to shift back on the disaster. Infrastructure, junk fees, internet as an essential utility, student loan forgiveness, etc

    The breadth of the problem cannot be fixed in 4 yrs. Or even 8 yrs. Consider how long it took from the 80s to truly feel the oppressive shift of the subsidy change. (I’m old. I mark ~2012-2014 when things started to feel squeezed.)

    Also note that you can’t mention Reagan or trickle down economics in this or you lose people.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Could FDR have done what he did without what Theodire Roosevelt did? Teddy has his faults but I feel he built the groundwork that FDR could build on. Granted it had diminished between them, but he faught for the inheritance tax and income tax to become a thing rather than just Tariffs. Tariffs were what were used at the time and created the "Robber Barons" that the Heritage foundation is trying to re-establish.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is not my area. I’ve simply consumed a lot of Heather Cox Richardson. She’s a Harvard educated American History professor. Posts on YT. Not very popular last check.

    It’s calm, historical perspective which I rather enjoy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'll have to try to remember that, I'll bookmark her. Been trying to listen to ebooks and such when I lay down to sleep now, it actually has been helping me fall asleep much easier. Hardest part is remembering where you left off if you care about the books. I'll have to find one of those don't stop playing after the screen is off and see if I can listen to her as well. (Instead of laying there for an hour feeling like I'm not tired and fidgetting I just listen and I'm usually asleep in 30 minutes now). <Vast improvement

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Smart audiobook reader has a sleep timer so does YouTube revanced

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  • Thanks I'll have to look into the audiobook one! Was trying to dodge YouTube, but I couldn't get any of those videos mentioned above to play in Tubular. I hadn't tried that app in a while, so maybe it's just the app and I'll find another

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Anyone can be poor, but only they are on welfare.

    Publishers note: They usually refers to African Americans, but can be used for any suspicious minorities.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    its almost always used as negative connation against blacks, or unsavory demographics. while the people, white conservatives railing on these people are the biggest welfare queens.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    don't forget wall street and corporations. if you fuck up, congratulations now you're homeless. if they fuck up, congratulations you're gonna bail them out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That actually follows from the traditional argument against possibility of welfare - if the state can do such help, it'll first give it to closest to it, which are the people who need it the least.

    But I think with direct democracy it'd be fine. At least some middle ground would be found between those voting for "free money" and those voting so that others wouldn't get "free money". Unlike now when depending on who you are it's either always free money or always fuck you.

    EDIT: In general radical political models are better thought through fundamentally. Real world ones work in arcane ways, usually not the ones publicly declared, and rely on lots of inertia to be functional. But both radical marxism (direct democracy and full on social involvement) and radical ancap (no common decisions at all, no common social involvement at all) lack such vulnerabilities. That's unfortunately the reason people with real world power don't need them. If you have real world power, you'd support the change that gives you more power or preserves what you have. So for a model to be plausible it needs to have vulnerabilities, to attract real-world support. Only disadvantaged people really want a perfect model, and they are not the ones deciding.

    Hence another radical variant - radical agnosticism of political systems, try to always keep as variable and diverse mix as possible, so that power, advantage and disadvantage were more or less equally spread, allowing people to live maybe not in heaven, but not in hell too. Decision-making systems as mixed as possible, legal spaces as diverse as possible, and so on.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't use the buzzwords Republicans have spent decades poisoning.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    yup, including entitlements, Woke,,,,etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Entitlements is a weird one. A person who wrongly believes they are entitled to money/power/respect is "entitled" in a derogatory sense. A person who has paid into the Social Security and Medicare programs for three or four decades is truly, genuinely, entitled to the payout of those programs.

    And Republicans believing entitlement programs are bad, when so many of them are dependent on these programs to maintain a basic standard of living, is an astounding level of doublethink.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    People are emotional creatures.

    Someone was joking in another thread, but maybe we should seriously consider just taking socialism and calling it, like, americanism.

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    Kinda like ACA/Obamacare.

    I'm of the opinion Americans want help and want to help others, but get lost in political rhetoric and a culture war designed to ensure no one gets anything.

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    To me the negative connotation of "welfare" is, Kafkaesque bureaucracy used to gate access. Actually being on it feels more like you are playing a fucked up game than receiving assistance.

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    I got fired from a job, rather unjustly, and attempted to file for unemployment.

    It made no sense, I could not navigate my states website (which didn’t want to play well with Linux anyway), so I gave up. Which is the point.

    One time an employer fired me and refused to pay me after discovering I was trans, and it literally took 6 months to get that check. The system is designed to fuck people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So weird. As a Scandinavian, "welfare" to me means schools, healthcare, elderly care, sick pay, paid parental leave etc., paid for by the shared burden of taxes for the benefit of everyone.

    It is a word with entirely positive connotations for me.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    IIRC "ACA" and "Obamacare" had similar divides. Propaganda is a helluva drug.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One of the main reasons why USAID was the first part of the government targeted was because of things like this.

    If you frame their work as "Assistance to disasters" or other variations, plus the context of it being under 1% of the Federal budget, Americans were find with it. If you call it "giving taxpayer money to foreigners" then it's wildly unpopular.

    Which is to say that the lesson is that most people are idiots and have no idea what's going on in the world. Framing a narrative can get the same individual to simultaneously support and hate literally the same thing. It can get people to support policies and actions that directly harm them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Which is to say that the lesson is that most people are idiots and have no idea what's going on in the world.

    Not that the information channels that inform them blast high-octane corporate-friendly propaganda since childhood, leaving no attention for any other perspectives?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Having briefed a number of senior American bureaucrats and military officers I find it best to use:

    1. words of one syllable or less.
    2. no more than three primary colours.
    3. no numbers larger than 5.
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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago*

    The issue is entirely a media problem. Can you tell yet?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    As someone that works with the general public.

    People are fucking dumb. Like not I'm not even kidding, there's a skill gap to even get to a site like this...and not everyone has the ability to do it...I'm not even kidding. People are just stupid.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Reminds me of how many people were really against Obamacare, but loved the Affordable Care Act.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Could you share the source for the graph please?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    UBI is pretty naive unless there are checks in place to prevent landlords and consumer goods from increasing costs by the same amount.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    1. Does UBI increase inflation?

    The impact of UBI on inflation depends on various factors, including the funding mechanism, the level of the UBI payment, and broader macroeconomic conditions. Some studies suggest that modest UBI programs are unlikely to significantly impact inflation.

    -- https://ubiadvocates.org/universal-basic-income-faq-all-about-ubi/

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it would be helpful - in addition to UBI - we had systems in place to prevent the gouging by the rich and powerful.

    Universal Basic Healthcare, Universal Basic Housing, Universal Basic Food/Water, Universal Basic Education.

    If we have these covered, then the UBI could be modest, and there would be less danger of gouging by the rich.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I'm not opposed to those ideas, but I think UBI need not wait on them and is a lot easier to implement. We could do UBI now, and let state/collectively provided services be a provider-of-last-resort type thing, start with pilot programs and scale based on demand.

    I agree that UBI can be less when there are more universal services, but I think there are a lot of "basics" that aren't universal or at least aren't uniform. Some people consider meat a basic foodstuff. Housing is rarely truly one-size-fits-all, primarily due to sleeping preferences. Healthcare has genetic components all over, so those vary from person to person. (Broadly you might think of menstruation supplies, or sickle-cell treatment, but there are much subtler genetic aspects.) Etc. UBI has a flexibility to incorporate capitalist providers into universal coverage as needed.

    But, yeah, we absolutely need more controls on Capitol to deal with abuses like gouging. We need to enforce the ones we have on the books, but we also need more.

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