I bought a new dishwasher and that wants to be connected to the internet "to let me know when it's finished".

When approaching this proposition, remember that there will be a lot of push back that might sound sincere but remember that there are a lot of people in the data mining business and they will definitely not be arguing in good faith.

But think of the poor shareholders and their yearly revenue growth being slowed down. Don’t be selfish bro.

/s

Maybe we can just learn to disable the parts of the vehicle that spy on us. It's actually a federal felony to alter programming on products like this that we own. But maybe a surgically placed electromagnet or cut wire could do the trick?

Because government will not be fixing anything for the better. This is the best the government will be for the forseeable future.

Yeah i agree with most of what you said. I don't have massive issues with companies tracking and recording data. By default they should only be allowed to use that data themselves (which can get a bit murky when the company in question is that of a conglomerate) and you should have to explicitly allow the sharing of data to third parties that is separate to standard TOC's.

GDPR tried to solve this but it kind of made a lot of the options available to the user a bit of a mess and overwhelming because there's not much regulation about what can be done with data (somewhat - there actually are limitations but it's not very well enforced), just that the user has to say they agree. And that's not even thinking about how the banners and pop ups are obtrusive as fuck.

I'm not smart enough to know what the actual solution should be other than I know it needs to be better than it is now.

Maybe it's already called GDPR?

They ask for consent when they operate in the European Union

And that toothpaste is not getting put back in the tube.

They ask for consent in the terms and conditions, you know, that long annoying text that no one really reads when signing up for stuff.

That is where they put the consent.

My new car had a whole Wikipedia worth of terms and conditions in the screen that had to accept before turning on for the first time.

There was no alternative other than "accept" or "leave the car at the dealership and pay the most expensive parking in the world forever".

That's unchecked capitalism

We're sorry!

Funny that 23andMe is the Google founders wife’s company.

Little look at Julian Assange. Look at North Korea. Look at porn. Look at open source encryption. Look at the tor network. Look at mesh wifi. Look at private dns. Look at ungoogled chromium or librewolf. Look at webgl. Look at a little porn again. Look at the stars for a while. Look at signal. Smoke a cigarette and finally look at yourself

Amen. We all drive cars older than 2015, and I've gone against anything newer.

The other issue is all those Flock cameras all over our state and surrounding areas, is almost impossible to not be tracked. I didn't consent to those being used by or municipal or city.

I'm sick of being data points on a spreadsheet!!

Leave your mobile phone at home as it knows when you're driving, speed, acceleration, routes, times. Then you have the CCTV on the roads tracking your every move with your licence plate and facial recognition.

And when you get home turn off the smart TV, smart fridge, smart dishwasher, doorbell cameras, Alexa's, Google's. These devices aren't for our convenience primarily; they're built to collect our valuable data about our living habits.

Digitally connected electricity, gas and water meters all monitor our usage thus working out our lifestyle patterns and habits. Even smart lightbulbs have the capacity to snoop on our private lives.

From the moment we wake up to turning off the light these connected devices quietly gather data about us innocuously... even when we sleep (phones monitoring breathing sounds).

"T&Cs update : please agree to 80 pages of impenetrable legal jargon before you can continue to use your vehicle"

Notarized. The agreements need to be notarized.

it is technically needed, the industry needs to have a written contract with the user, which describes in detail which data is shared. It must be a separate contract from anything else, and one each for each industry partner.

That's the Terms and Conditions that nobody reads.

Hahaha welcome to the eu

In the owner's manual, it says you consent to data collection by driving the car and if you don't consent, you should return the car to the nearest dealer.

The best example I've heard is, if I wait outside your house and follow you around everywhere you go, every single time you leave the house, even though you're "in public," that's still a crime and it's called "stalking."

Good luck finding a modern car that doesn't, I just yank out the power to the modem

So, OnStar, for decades now, has had cellular activity whether you were paying for it or not. They just used to be careful about not selling data. But even if the user didn't pay and the manufacturer didn't sell, those models are trackable by ISP.

In a sense that already exists, as I'm pretty sure there are extra plan benefits if you opt-in to more surveillance.

It's because high constant profits were never sustainable. Perpetually maximizing GDP in the short term was never a good idea to begin with. But that's the macroeconomic policy.

We've been preventing all forest fires at all costs and guess what - there's still gonna be a big forest fire.

Yes they do. The issue is that people won’t really tell each other about products and business that are doing that. They won’t boycott the bad shit, either. That goes for everyone… BMW, IBM, and BOSS are still around and that’s the tip of the list.

In order to get seen you got to pay those people that want to be an overlord.

So you see the issue.