Toyota, Progressive Insurance, and a data analytics firm are now being accused of collecting detailed personal driving information without proper consent

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[–] 162 points 9 months ago (21 children)

When do companies ask for consent? Look at Google and incognito mode. Look at 23&me, I can go on. And nobody sees anything done about it. We are numbers. Not people. That's our world

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    They ask for consent in the terms and conditions, you know, that long annoying text that no one really reads when signing up for stuff.

    That is where they put the consent.

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The thing about 23&Me is that they’re collecting data not just on the people who signed up for the service - the ones who actually skipped and accepted the T&Cs - but their family members as well.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's not real consent if you're forced to agree to use the product or if the terms allow the company to alter the terms.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    And it's so ubiquitous that the only way to avoid them altogether is to become Amish.

    Good luck never agreeing to binding arbitration. And even if you do get out of it, good luck ever holding them accountable in a class action. You might be able to file a class action, but no one can join you.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Further, like, as a third party I can't really consent. Say I'm out on a walk and I pass a Tesla, or that Tesla drives by me. It has a bunch of cameras, it's recording a bunch of shit. I as a passerby have no ability to consent or decline being recorded just going about my business.

    I fucking hate that. Every time I see a modern car I'm grossed out because I feel like I'm being watched.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Is it consent if it is forced?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    No one is forcing you to use their services

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Seen the third party message on the Wirecutter comments section?

    “If you comment on these socks we’re recommending YOUR DATA WILL BE SOLD!!!”

    Incredible and actually good guy vendor (Disqus) in a way for not hiding it unless it was their lawyers’ doing :)

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My new car had a whole Wikipedia worth of terms and conditions in the screen that had to accept before turning on for the first time.

    There was no alternative other than "accept" or "leave the car at the dealership and pay the most expensive parking in the world forever".

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    The fact that they can sell you a car without having to give you all of the terms and conditions is kinda nuts. Imagine if you went to buy a house and they just went "Nuh uh, pay first, we give you all the HOA rules and city ordinance laws you have to follow afterwards. What is in them? It's a mYsTeRy!".

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Little look at Julian Assange. Look at North Korea. Look at porn. Look at open source encryption. Look at the tor network. Look at mesh wifi. Look at private dns. Look at ungoogled chromium or librewolf. Look at webgl. Look at a little porn again. Look at the stars for a while. Look at signal. Smoke a cigarette and finally look at yourself

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