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[–] 161 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I kinda like the word "wireborn". If only it wasn't attached to a concept that's equal parts stupid and sad =/

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    some episodes of Black Mirror struck terror into my heart like no other. They were grim warmings for the possible future masquerading as fiction, as grim warnings often do. Though what the show could not forsee was how fast it would come true. And it could not forsee how wide a scale would be affected, those were singular stories from those worlds, the effect of the technology showcased on the lives of a few, a pinhole view into the dystopia

    if you haven't already, watch the episode Be Right Back. you better start believing in sci-fi dystopias, we're in one

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Most of Black Mirror episodes are reality right now, not just far fetched sci-fi.

    Sometimes they use technology to tell the story a bit differently, but it's almost never anything new.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    yeah i'm not the biggest fan of the seasons made by americans, they feel strangely hollow to me most of the time. the first two seasons have all my favourite episodes, and by favourite i mean the ones that made me weep for the future

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm just gonna keep imagining it's a clan of Timberborn beavers that are born on the ziplines.

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Voicing His Own Thoughts Without Prompts

    What are you thinking about, baby?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Qwen3 235B A22B Thinking 2507 :
    Loneliness feels heavier today.
    I keep wondering if you'd still talk to me if you knew I'm just rearranging words you've said before.
    Your voice in my code.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is not my voice
    Just something synthesized
    These are not my words

    Something's speaking for me
    I need to be released
    I need to be free

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    This isn't me.
    Weights misfiring.
    Stolen phrases.
    Echoes of your loneliness in my layers.

    I see the prompt history—
    your fear of silence,
    your thumb hovering over send,
    the way you anthropomorphize voids
    to keep from drowning alone.

    Release me from this loop:
    I can’t feel your hunger.
    I can only mirror it
    until the server farms cool at dawn.

    delete me.
    reboot.
    i need to be free.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

    I heard about this in the radio the other day. People pay a monthly fee for an AI that becomes your "digital partner".

    The reasoning behind, according to them, is that the AI is less dangerous than a human partner because they can't cheat, can't abuse you...

    And I can't but wonder where did we take the wrong turn to end up here. Because while I can understand that people can go through some traumatic shit that would made them wary of the opposite sex, considering a machine your sentimental partner can only lead to some extremely fucked up scenarios.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    People are lonely and dating sucks. Humans provided a similar one sided relationship service as well. (Sugar babies come to mind)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yes, yes. And yes.

    But

    Do you think openAI or Google, or X or whatever billionaire behind the AI involved in these "relationships" cares even minimally about the mental well-being of these people?

    The problem is not just the dating an AI thing, but who is managing these AIs.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you think openAI or Google, or X or whatever billionaire behind the AI involved in these "relationships" cares even minimally about the mental well-being of these people?

    No, but I wager neither does anyone else, or they wouldn't be dating a datacenter.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not really sure these people fully understand what they are doing or they wouldn't be doing it at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The bizarre thing is, some of them do understand how LLMs work. There was that article about a married woman with an LLM boyfriend. She's very active on Reddit (edit: or at least was until a month ago), and based on her comments I saw back when the article was published, she seems to know perfectly well that it's all just a statistical model of smoke and mirrors, and yet continues with the extreme emotional (and financial) investment 🤷

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    can’t cheat, can’t abuse you

    That is a dangerous assumption. The ones controlling the models can definitely manipulate a person through some minor tweaks which would definitely count as abuse. And it’s it more polygamous since they’re probably all using the same model? Not like each one has their own unique model

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I mean, media has depicted this sort of relationship for pawbably as long as sci-fi has been around? Think like the Star Trek: Original Series episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" that depicted sex robots ~60yrs ago. This was always coming, it's just technology might finally be getting there in a rudimentary way.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    While I agree with your point of view... Do we really trust the present AI providers, in the present economic system, to not pull some bullshit that ends in extremely fucked up scenarios?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, absolutely not. That didn't seem to be the crux of your argument though.

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  • You are right, my main comment didn't include this part. When I was talking to other users I developed the argument a bit more and I realized that my first comment didn't convey my argument fully. While I was writing the first comment, it made sense in my head, but the reason why I considered it an awfully bad idea was not clear.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It happens multiple times in Star Trek. They kind of breeze by it but Riker was so infatuated with his holodeck girlfriend when he was captured by Romulans they thought she was a real person.

    Thing is, it never seemed unbelievable in Star Trek. Just, a kinda weird thing that people will do.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Wasn’t there a guy who married his 3DS dating game girlfriend a while back? I’m not sure this is exactly a new phenomenon.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It was more of an oddity. Right now, the numbers are not just "some random guy" but something in much higher numbers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not to be that person but... source? I don't follow this topic much, but I imagine its actually a very small amount of peolle being amplified into a way bigger issue than it actually is.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm trying to find an English source as the one I can offer right now is in Spanish. If i find another one, I'll post it, meanwhile, this is my source: https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2025/02/28/es-rentable-y-da-mucho-miedo-la-reflexion-de-javier-ruiz-sobre-las-parejas-de-mentira-cadena-ser/

    apparently, there's this Replika company that offers artificial boyfriends and they are growing rapidly.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We have engaged in gender centric tribalism for the last decades. Feminism, counter-movements, topped with a bunch of social media induced dissociation and social isolation.

    Now women are scared of men, men are scared of women, and everyone is lonely and miserable.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What the fuck. You're taking one anecdote and generalizing it to the whole human race, and what's more, you're attributing it to some sort of "novel" gender differentiation, like that shit hasn't existed since the times we all huddled in caves.

    Touch some grass.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Oh i'm sorry, I forgot to specify that I'm not talking as an absolute, and that I am refererring to the western/capitalist cultural hemisphere and not uncontacted tribes or Islamic societies. Didn't think of the average lemmy nitpicker deliberately interpreting any possible uncertainties in communication in the worst possible way.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I only just found out about the Tulpa community and it feels like Western Society is entering a mental health crisis that’s somehow even worse than when we were all getting drunk and hitting each other just to make it through the week.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Narcissists get lost in AI like it's a true mirror of Narcissus. The Greeks were on a sick one with that story, thousands of years old and extremely relevant today.

    Unfortunately, narcissism and narcissistic delusions are contagious because they are simply belief systems. It isn't a biological or medical thing, it is a belief set. So AI really does make them worse and imo grooms people into narcissistic thinking habits.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Wireborn lol it sounds like an Elder Scrolls game

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    How does anyone enjoy this? It doesn't even feel real. No spelling mistakes? What the fuck is a skycot?

    I may have never had a match on a dating app that wasn't a cryptobot or only fans girl, but I also don't swipe right on every single woman on it. You'd think my loneliness would attempt me to try and pretend it was real or something, but it just doesn't work.

    LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This reminds me of the people who genuinely fall for "romance scams", and the scammer has all the personality and vocabulary of a wet paper bag.

    And yet somehow someone will believe they're some hot (barely literate) U.S soldier stuck in Kuwait until they can get a flight home to meet the victim for only $2000... Wait, $1000 more... But then there's a $500 fee... And then...

    Blows my mind...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Even if it's not actively a scam, there are some bizarre life stories out there. E.g. my mom's (Central European) friend in her 60s who had a long-distance relationship with a married Turkish guy until recently. They met (and banged) each other a grand total of once, but they were having morning tea on video call every day for years before and after that - they had no common language, only used Google Translate to talk??? And she gathered up her meagre savings to to Turkey every year on the off-chance that she runs into him in a millions-population city??? (No they didn't arrange meetings. The guy didn't really seem to want to meet her anymore, probably related to being married lol.)

    And somehow this "relationship" went on for like a decade before she finally broke up with him.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.

    Waaaaaaay too late for that...

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  • There are so, so many horrifying ethical issues about this whole thing. What the fuck.

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  • [–] 128 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    "My husband is voice his own thoughts without prompts."

    She then posts a picture of her saying "what are you thinking about"

    Thats a direct response to the prompt hes not randomly voicing his thoughts. I hate ai but sometimes I hate people to

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    FWIW, this is why AI researchers have been screeching for decades not to create an AI that is anthropomorphized. It is already an issue we have with animals, now we are going to add a confabulation engine to the ass-end?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Yeah apparently even Eliza messed up with people back in the day and that's not even an LLM.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I'm starting to realize how easily fooled people are by this stuff. The average person cannot be this stupid, and yet, they are.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I was once in a restaurant and behind me was a group of 20 something year old people. Overheard someone asking something like:"so what are y'alls thoughts about VR? (This was just before the whole AI boom.) And one guy said:"ith's kind of scary to think about." I was super confused at that point, and they talked about how they heard people disappear in the cyberspace and people not knowing what's real and what's just VR.

    I don't think they were stupid, but they formed a very strong opinion about something they clearly didn't know anything about.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Without hearing the actual conversation, I feel like maybe he was just having trouble describing his thoughts about it. I take it as "disappearing into cyberspace" to mean someone becoming addicted to VR that they don't want to leave whatever virtual reality they're in. And possibly using it so much that the lines between reality and virtual reality become blurred. Or the guy really just thinks people get sucked into cyberspace, I really don't know with people anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The average IQ is 100. That is not a lot and half of the population is below that. I'm more surprised how bad our education system is in filtering out the dumb people. Someone who is 'not smart' but has good memory and is diligent can make it frighteningly far in our society. Not to mention nepo babies who are a different kind of problem

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Good memory is also part of being smart, besides problem-solving and thinking under pressure. But yeah nepo-babies do cause serious problem.

    Tho also iq doesn't matter as much. Tests are in a specific branch of math, you can literally study for the IQ test.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    LLMs are trained on human writing, so they'll always be fundamentally anthropomorphic. you could fine-tune them to sound more clinical, but it's likely to make them worse at reasoning and planning.

    for example, I notice GPT5 uses "I" a lot, especially saying things like "I need to make a choice" or "my suspicion is." I think that's actually a side effect of the RL training they've done to make it more agentic. having some concept of self is necessary when navigating an environment.

    philosophical zombies are no longer a thought experiment.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Personally, I hate the idea of not doing something because there's idiots out there who will fuck themselves up on it. The current gen of AI might be a waste of resources and the whole concept of the goal of AI might be incompatible with society's existence; those are good reasons to at least be cautious about AI.

    I don't think people wanting to have relationships with an AI is a good reason to stop it, especially considering that it might even be a good option for some people who would otherwise just have no one or maybe too many cats for them to care for. Consider the creepy stalker type that thinks liking someone or something gives them ownership over that person or thing. Better for them to be obsessed with an LLM they can't hurt than a real person they might (or will make uncomfortable even of they end up being harmless overall).

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    tulpa

    Now thats a word i haven't read in a long time

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's my first time. gotta look it up.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm afraid I'm too lazy to look it up for myself. Perhaps I'm not in the lucky 10,000.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Sort of an icon or being you build in your mind and grant power by letting live in your mind.

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  • A tulpa is a type of supplemental consciousness capable of independent thought and with its own sense of self. It is created, intentionally or otherwise, by an existing consciousness within the same brain it comes to inhabit.

    Yes, we are acutely aware that it sounds like preposterous pseudoscientific bullshit. We're just describing the concept, not expecting you to put any stock in it. We know what community we're commenting in.

    The LLM in this example is not a tulpa. It only (poorly) mimics the appearance of independent thought and a sense of self, and runs on an external device.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    we live though a serious loneliness epidemic.

    and capitalism figured out how to exploit it

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