Most compelling argument I've seen for voting mattering is that rich people are spending a ton on advertising / campaign funds / etc. Follow the money, and if Musk is dropping half a billion to get more shitty republicans elected, then clearly it matters and both sides are not the same.
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On my way to vote for segregation, because my side assures me I’m “one of the good ones.”
Lotta people seem to have missed what happened with Labour in the UK. Both sides are absolutely not the same, but let’s not pretend that a vote for self-preservation is a noble act.
And just to nip this in the bud, I did vote straight Democrat down the ticket. Just not thrilled to find out how many of those candidates will implement Facism: Now in Blue!
let’s not pretend that a vote for self-preservation is a noble act
It kind of is when half the passengers in the car are hellbent on steering everyone into a car shredder.
In your analogy, both parties want to steer the bus into the shredder, but one will do it in a way that kills fewer people, which includes sparing you. Forgive me if “Some of you will die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” isn’t a compelling political message.
I demand better than a party that asks me to allow the state to slaughter my most vulnerable brothers and sisters in order to secure my own safety. None of us are free until we all are.
I have had almost 0 noticeable change in my life from trump being elected, it's more like I see a bus going into the shredder filled with immigrants Ukrainians Palestinians black people lgbtq+ people Iranians Cubans people who need cancer research people who are vulnerable to climate change, and I instead send the bus of Palestinians. Some of you will die no matter how i vote, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to prevent 5x more from dying.
Every single cis person and political party is responsible for how trans people are treated.
Stop using us as a cudgel for your ideas.
"I have zero noticable change in my life from Trump"
That is super obvious.
Liberal cis folk saw what was happening and decided we were too political and that we ruined the vibe. Then you deliberately excluded us from the conversation. That wasn't to help us.
This is like saying BLM protestors are responsible for how black people are treated because they're not murdering all cops so they didn't go far enough. Half the country is extremely transphobic and the other 30% are leery of it. If you want to be locked in a cage while ALSO having the deadliest war in recent history happen, because democrats aren't screaming their support for trans people and losing every election for it, be my guest.
Every prominent democrat I've seen has said trans people deserve to be treated fairly and that gender affirming care is medically necessary, and every republican I've seen has said that trans people are sick and mentally ill and shouldn't be around kids. Both sides tho.
No notes, you explained why you're evil so fast with that first paragraph alone. It's not actually 80 20, in fact sports are hardly decisive as we've seen on the ballot. You're full of shit. I'm not going into any cage you fuckwit. If I do, don't be surprised if I feel nothing for your stupid ass on the outside.
Also I blame white people not BLM jerkoff. And no the white people in my life didn't go far enough. They still gleefully hang out with their racist ass family members and it's pathetic. Get blocked
https://uspollingdata.com/news/transgender-policy-polling-2026/
ok it's 60/33
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How noble of you to sacrifice others and expect them to also sacrifice themselves.
When you just look at the numbers, that seems logical. Pick the option that minimizes suffering, right? However, it starts to become gross when you notice that it’s always the same demographics on one side of the equation.
If you’re willing to take any action to secure the interests of the majority, then minorities fundamentally do not have rights.
I’d also like to add, I’ve yet to see any indication that Democrats will take strong action to protect Palestinians. Much of the current genocide happened under the Biden administration, which assured us they were very cross with Netanyahu’s government, and then kept sending them weapons anyways. It’s not even a choice of sacrificing one group to protect another—It’s a choice of sacrificing one group so we can maybe think about initiating the process of arranging a meeting to set an action item to strategize possibly helping some people. Or at least stop hurting them… If we feel like it.
Boomers love Israel that whole generation just has lead poisoning ig.
It's more like, one side will sacrifice the group, and the other will sacrifice the group while also killing 100k more. I think if there wasn't the Ukraine Russia war and all the cancelation of research and USAID and solar farms and 40b on ice and...(insert 3 more paragraphs) then I wouldn't look badly on someone who just has a different line than me. But this is like... one of the most deadly presidents, and Republican party we have ever had. It's just unreal.
The USA really deserves a thousand more 9/11s if you are representative of the majority. You guys are making it really hard for me not to become an accelerationist.
If you don't vote in the primaries to choose which dems are on the ballot then the blame really lies on those who, like were already talking about, decided not to vote in the primaries.
Maybe try harder in ALL elections because the only reason Republicans are in power now is because of low voter turnout by democrats in 2024
I voted in the primaries, but this isn't true. The winner is decided beforehand and the election is just a formality.
The last time I voted for a non-establishment candidate who won the popular vote, the DNC ignored the election results and gave the nomination to their preferred candidate instead. That's why we got Hillary instead of Bernie in 2016.
Is that why establishment Dem candidates like Cuomo and the Michigan traitoress lost their primaries?
That traitoress Fetterwoman received 49% of the primary vote, with AIPAC spending $30-$35 million on her.
We are so lucky to have El Sayed instead of her.
But don't fool yourself into thinking this battle is won. Today we are electing multiple Fettermen and Fetterwomen from "centrist" and "swing" states. I hope they all win, they are the lesser of two evils, but they are still evil.
Didn't Cuomo run as a independent candidate after losing the democratic primary? So I guess the whole phrase is actually "Vote blue no matter who unless we lose".
I've been an activist for decades and during that time I've grown incredibly cynical. A lesson that gets repeatedly taught is the vast majority of the loud voices in a movement are smug cowards.
They don't actually care all that much about their cause: you never see them putting in anything resembling work. Sure, they'll throw a few bucks at a cause, maybe they'll attend rallies or protests. But they disapear as soon as anything that requires actual effort, risk, or serious time commitment comes up.
And they sure as hell won't make hard choices that might impinge on their idealism. They don't know how to and are unwilling to get their hands dirty and actually fight -- moral purity is more important than ugly, imperfect, but net positive change.
They'll scream about how they're waiting for a perfect solution ... but they can't be bothered to bust their ass to make it happen. They're dead weight.
The sides aren't the same. Voting alone won't fix things. Multiple things can be true at once and the folks who point out the truths that complicate your narrative aren't all foreign provocateurs.
Re: voting, I think it's helpful for radicals to look at voting not as a means of fixing the system, but as an opportunity to have a say in choosing the enemy they will face in the courts and in the streets.
The real issue is, Voting DOES fix things.
But not "everything instantly."
But not voting, or voting for fascists, absolutely will never fix anything.
Like Democrats are a shit ass garbage party, but there is ZERO path to any actual change and progression through the GOP. And it will probably take decades of actual effort, but people are stupid and lazy and want instant gratification. So when Dems do garbage they roll back to not voting or supporting fascists who do nothing but lie.
Maybe we just care about different things, but I've been voting for progressives for decades and can't point to much of anything I've seen fixed. If anything, I've watched the world at large and our politics get worse.
I still think there's some value in voting (see the above re: choosing the enemy we will face), but I think it's a mistake to expect or wait for politicians to save us. We have to build a better world for ourselves and take care of each other in the places and ways that we can without waiting for an invitation or asking permission.
There's a reason voting is generally recognised as the least effective method of civic engagement. If you're not doing more to promote and support the candidates who stand for the values you have, you're probably not going to get the results you would prefer.
Just remember that the least effective method is still an effective method. Not voting is what "they" want you to do.
It's almost like every other rounds we go back to Fascism who break everything and act like government is "broken".
And I have voted for decades as well, in High School I called myself a Communist, but overtime I have moved right so now I am merely somewhere between Socialist and Democratic Socialist.
Brit here, can confirm voting also breaks things. A lot of people voted for Brexit as a "stick it to the establishment" and thinking they won't do it anyway because voting doesn't actually do change anything.
Please Americans reading this vote!
Well said. Voting is your BARE MINIMUM civic duty, you can't act like ur gonna tear the system down and all this shit if u can't even go speak ur mind in the booths.
But not voting, or voting for fascists, absolutely will never fix anything.
I think there are more accelerationists on this platform than you might realize.
In all my years I have never seen a candidate that matches of with my ideals, but that didn't mean I didn't vote. You try to find the closest match and then nudge the needle a little closer to what you want even if it is compromised.
There may be some fundamentals underneath that are difficult to change but it does not mean that both sides are the same.
Go out and VOTE. That's the least fucking thing you must do as a citizen.
But spare us the theatrics, US is patently evil. You can try to lower the evil, however history will still remember your complacency.
Now go ahead with ad-hominems.
Trump supporters will not know what an ad hominems attack is. The average American Trump supporter is a gun toting, neoliberal, bear shooting, death penalty supporting, misogynist, who believe that LGBT people should be stoned to death Old Testament style, a white supremacist, anti-vaccine, climate change denying, anti-evolution, anti- science, flat earth believing, pro-life, anti- intellectual, sanctimonious evangelical Christian, Islamophobic bigot. Chem trail obsessive, xenophobic and a racist. Also ignorant, stupid, perverted and possibly demented.

Everyone should vote.
Both sides arent the same.
People should be free to transfer their vote if their first pick doesn't win. 3rd parties should be free to compete in the electoral system without a spoiler effect.
Did I miss anything?
Ranked choice voting!
In 1776 some guys "invented" the concept of voating and haven't changed it since. First past the post is easy to admin and understand but it doesn't properly represent the people. The party system doesn't help eather.
That's just factually inaccurate. In 1776 some guys said the states get to choose how to handle voting. Thebstates still don'thave to donthat, and some don't. Alaska has been in the news nust this week because its ranked-choice voting keeps the 2 Sullivans from creating a spoiler effect from voter confusion.
And even then, Senators weren't directly elected until 1914 - prior to the 17th Amendment they were appointed by the State legislatures.
states aren't forced to use first past the post voting, they choose to.
People should be free to transfer their vote if their first pick doesn’t win. 3rd parties should be free to compete in the electoral system without a spoiler effect.
Don't hold your breath.
You can protest AND vote. One doesn't cancel the other.
ITT: A lot of peple bringing their best "I don't care about those other people, I've got mine" rhetoric
I can get paid for being an asshole online? I've been giving away my talents for free all this time.
Daily reminder~ bOtH sIdEs aren't the same, but they are bOtH anti-union, pro-billionaire, and pro-corporate.
Thank you! You've been a wonderful audience.
p.s. we get one year to say this freely, after that we will be told that we are clearly spies and/or bots working for Russia posting to influence the election and stop voting. Every election. Forever.
I love how they're all smug and sure about it. They have no idea how silly they look, shhh it will be our little secret
If they're all pro-billionaire, why are the billionaires spending so much money supporting one side?
They are spending money on both sides.
AIPAC spent $60M on the Michigan primary alone. George and Alex Soros dropped a full $100M this election cycle. Crypto billionaire Chris Larsen was spreading his $65M all over the board. Michael Bloomberg allocated $80 million just during September and October 2026 to support Democratic candidates. This, after he'd dropped a cool billy trying to buy out the 2020 primary. Tom Steyer put up $213 million this year, for California Governor.
There's no shortage of liberal billionaire mega-donors.
we get one year to say this freely, after that we will be told that we are clearly spies and/or bots working for Russia posting to influence the election and stop voting. Every election. Forever.
If you're suggesting that Democrats aren't worth voting for, you're a Russian keyboard commando
If you're suggesting that Republicans aren't worth voting for, you're a Chinese Wumao Tankie.
If you vote Green, you're a dupe for the Republicans. If you vote Libertarian, you're a dupe for the Democrats. If you don't vote at all, you're the singular reason my 60/40 district didn't break the correct way.
If you vote for the opposition party, you're a traitor, a degenerate, a racist, a fascist, a lunatic, an idiot, possibly all of the above.
If you vote for the correct party, you need to just shut up and get in line. Quit criticizing the party after the election. There's nothing else to be done.
If you have a little flag that says "End the Wars" while you're in line to vote, GTFO we don't want you here, I don't care who you are voting for.
It's almost as if they're both bad: but one is significantly worse than the other and in most races there isn't a viable 3rd option.
So if regardless of who wins we're going to have to coerce, argue, and fight them ... why the hell wouldn't we pick the one we have a better chance against?
If you vote Green, you’re a dupe for the Republicans. If you vote Libertarian, you’re a dupe for the Democrats. If you don’t vote at all, you’re the singular reason my 60/40 district didn’t break the correct way.
This is a childish interpretation of electoral politics. How would a vote for a third party help any mainstream candidate? If you’ve vote for libertarians you’re just a libertarian dumbass. Lmfao.
If you vote for the correct party, you need to just shut up and get in line. Quit criticizing the party after the election. There’s nothing else to be done.
If you have a little flag that says “End the Wars” while you’re in line to vote, GTFO we don’t want you here, I don’t care who you are voting for.
Is this really how you feel? or some joke I’m not picking up on? You don’t think politicians should be held to any leftist standard if they win? Why tf not? Why do we even bother electing them, you want all of them to go John Fetterman? That’s how you fucking lose elections dude.
I actually believe that people who are anti-war and anti fascists opinions do matter, and if you want those people to vote and “break your counties election the right way” you are going to actually have to start caring about black people, LGBT and other marginalized groups, working class, and anti War activists.
If you’re trying to get people to vote liberal telling them to “fuck off we don’t want you here” is incredibly stupid and short sighted.
Yeah but I've seen people use the logic that since both sides are anti union, pro billionaire and pro corporate, both sides are exactly the same.
… (how does it make them different?) …
says why they are the same but implies there are differences
Hey how are these similarities showing they are different?
Capitalist, anti union party is still more similar than they are different. Celebrate all you want but the American left is not even halfway done with this battle, and some of you are acting like it is.
I await with anticipation to see what you accomplish! Can't wait!
I mean I’m never going to personally be in public office, if that’s what you mean. And sorry if this comes off as mean and you’re being genuine, but unless you live where I do you probably won’t see the accomplishments stemming from myself or any organization I’m involved with. I mean, maybe if you’re a local organizer or artist or you’re homeless or something.
If you are DSA, then unironically I do look forward to seeing your party pop up into my area, because DSA would be infinitely more palatable to work with than mainstream dems. But DSA aren’t here so I don’t have any avenue to work with them.
So, to be clear, you're criticizing the Democrats, and the left isn't nearly done fighting, but what you're working on doesn't involve holding any positions of power, nor is it doing something that's meaningfully effective or noticeable.
Not to come off as an ignorant ass, but wouldn't The Left be in a better position for long term meaningful change if The Left made sure to put people into positions of power? I know that might mean having to play ball with and pretend to be a Democrat, but even on a local scale wouldn't that be an effective strategy? Even if you were trying to tear down The System, wouldn't it help to have someone on the inside?
I know that might mean having to play ball with and pretend to be a Democrat, but even on a local scale wouldn’t that be an effective strategy? Even if you were trying to tear down The System, wouldn’t it help to have someone on the inside?
Yes but I think people put way too much into the mainstream dem party only to be shoved out. Some people I’ve organized with have worked with the DNC before. It is not effective strategy to “have someone in the inside “ because someone who gets paid by the DNC or is a member takes an oath to uphold a racist constitution and to uphold capital over their neighbors well being.
In my experience (and others, in real life) the dnc drops you over shareholders/lobbyist/rich people with interests against regular people (I can get into this more if you’d like) 100% of the time, why would I waste time giving them anything besides a vote every few years?
This doesn’t mean my counties D representatives are compromised or not worth working with/voting for, I’m talking about the DNC as a whole.
You should look up the right side's policies on immigration, abortion, and LGBTQ+ rights to exist on earth. I think you'll find some slight differences of opinion between the parties there, and I'd hope you can see why that would sway people's opinions on which one is more evil than the other.
Two things having similarities does not mean they are the same thing.
Well Talarico has the same racist immigration rhetoric that Trump does: deport drug dealers and criminals, even though we know most drug traffickers don’t come from Mexico through legal immigration and that’s a racist lie.
Amy Klobuchar receives money from a systemically genocidal apartheid state and she’s my new governor.
Being happy about the blue wave is one thing, I voted blue just in case, but acting like they (and more importantly their right wing capitulation) is also another thing.
Shame on me for trying to hold my party, and others who actually call themselves Socialists now, accountable from a left standpoint.
So called progressives have already called me slurs today and I fuckin voted. Idk what more you want from me. lol jfc. Hold your leaders accountable. Take a little criticism.
My point was entirely that they are different from Republicans, which was exactly the question you asked.
You didn't ask if there were reasonable things to critique Democrats over, especially individually...Of course the answer to that is yes, and there's no shame on you for a caring about that.

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