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yearly reminder rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] 64 points 3 days ago (10 children)

The sides aren't the same. Voting alone won't fix things. Multiple things can be true at once and the folks who point out the truths that complicate your narrative aren't all foreign provocateurs.

Re: voting, I think it's helpful for radicals to look at voting not as a means of fixing the system, but as an opportunity to have a say in choosing the enemy they will face in the courts and in the streets.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    The real issue is, Voting DOES fix things.

    But not "everything instantly."

    But not voting, or voting for fascists, absolutely will never fix anything.

    Like Democrats are a shit ass garbage party, but there is ZERO path to any actual change and progression through the GOP. And it will probably take decades of actual effort, but people are stupid and lazy and want instant gratification. So when Dems do garbage they roll back to not voting or supporting fascists who do nothing but lie.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Maybe we just care about different things, but I've been voting for progressives for decades and can't point to much of anything I've seen fixed. If anything, I've watched the world at large and our politics get worse.

    I still think there's some value in voting (see the above re: choosing the enemy we will face), but I think it's a mistake to expect or wait for politicians to save us. We have to build a better world for ourselves and take care of each other in the places and ways that we can without waiting for an invitation or asking permission.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    There's a reason voting is generally recognised as the least effective method of civic engagement. If you're not doing more to promote and support the candidates who stand for the values you have, you're probably not going to get the results you would prefer.

    Just remember that the least effective method is still an effective method. Not voting is what "they" want you to do.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago*

    It's almost like every other rounds we go back to Fascism who break everything and act like government is "broken".

    And I have voted for decades as well, in High School I called myself a Communist, but overtime I have moved right so now I am merely somewhere between Socialist and Democratic Socialist.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago

    Brit here, can confirm voting also breaks things. A lot of people voted for Brexit as a "stick it to the establishment" and thinking they won't do it anyway because voting doesn't actually do change anything.

    Please Americans reading this vote!

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago*

    In all my years I have never seen a candidate that matches of with my ideals, but that didn't mean I didn't vote. You try to find the closest match and then nudge the needle a little closer to what you want even if it is compromised.

    There may be some fundamentals underneath that are difficult to change but it does not mean that both sides are the same.

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