Today I learned that I, with a BS degree and a decade of experience in IT work, am not making the minimum wage my dad made as a teenage high school dropout.
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Yep, the 1% lost a lot of their workforce during the war. They needed to treat them right and give concessions. The 1% wants their fiefdom back and have been working on it every since.
Think of it like if Apple, Microsoft and Amazon didn't have agreements to keep wages down and it was actually competitive, they would offer bonuses and paid vacation, etc. to even medium employees to keep them.
This a good post. People love to argue about current wages and the like, but it is buying power that is the issue.
In the early to mid 70s buying was the best it has ever been. One job could afford a house, car, and education.
Then in 1971 and onwards, productivity continued upwards, while purchasing power flatlined...
Gee I wonder why we have so many Billionaires...
I'd say automation played a decent sized part in that as well. A massive chunk of those high paying jobs were factory work. A lot of those production type tasks were automated away, and the increased number of maintenance jobs required doesn't even come close to covering that loss of required factory workers.
Increasing automation lowered the cost to produce goods. The people who owned the machines (capital) could have lowered prices, but they didn't. They used the lower wage cost to increase their own profits, then used those profits to buy more machines (increasing their capital).
Now we have a small number of people who own a large amount of capital, raising prices on everything to keep increasing their profits, and refusing to help the people who used to do the now automated work, or raise wages for the existing workers. The shareholders don't care about working conditions or product quality, they only care about getting a bigger return on investment (by a bigger margin) than the previous year.
"Sustainable growth" (actually exponential growth) is literally impossible to sustain, yet almost every major company's shareholders demand it. What happens when your economy is reliant on the impossible?
Wages are a huge part of buying power.
But focusing on the numeric wage causes people to lose sight of the issue.
Like it was posted minimum wage should be well over 45.00 an hour. Meaning people that make 45.00 should be making 400.00, if that was true we would be equivalent to the buying power of the 70s.
Increasing minimum wage is literally the easiest step of the many things that affect buying power. Dismissing it is like downplaying doctors washing their hands.
Whatever happened to "source?"
You can go back as far as you'd like to; if memory serves 1950s was our best time re salaries and purchasing power.
Here's a 20% drop since 2010 straight from the horse's mouth.
https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/purchasing-power-constant-dollars.htm
Not sure about this one I haven't checked sources on it, this is just a quick search for you because you're a good kid
https://www.macrotrends.net/4534/cpi-purchasing-power-of-the-dollar
There's zero debate, we are fucked
Recall that in addition to this drop in purchasing power, we are taxed in countless new ways that we never had to worry about decades ago. In my state we pay a tax on toilet paper. We have to pay the state to take a shit.
The solution is obvious. Let's print more money!
p.s. a good way to spot check the economy is to check the price of gold. My gold is now worth 400% of what it cost years ago. So... it's not actually worth more than it was... it's just our dollar has lost that much value.
My parents bought a house in the 90's and after they bought it, they realized they couldn't really afford the mortgage.
As a comparison, my wife and I tried buying a house 3 years ago. We had around $3,000 left in our budget after ALL our expenses was paid, and we got rejected in 3 banks before we got a loan.
Our rent was $1,500 / month. Our mortgage is $1,000 / month. We have more money after expenses living in our house compared to the place we lived before.
They make it really damn difficult to buy a house, even when you have the money.
Some of that is due to the 2008 bullshittery. Bank are trying not to get caught holding the bag again when mortgage rates rise and people end up underwater.
Banks lending infinite money to AI companies: Yes sir I'll hold that bag no problem sir, the government will protect me
Private citizens vs corporations.
"The citizens can eat the losses, it's their fault for being so irresponsible anyway, but we need those companies for the economy." - the government
Well yeah, it was a housing crisis in '08, not an AI crisis. Totally different scenario. Just like how no one could have known sub prime mortgages would be a problem then, there's no telling what will happen after throwing everyone's 401ks into AI.
That's just the thing. Everyone (in the industry) knew the sub prime market was going to be a problem. My sister worked for a company that specialized in mortgages and said in the early 2000s that the sub prime market was predatory, was lending too much to people that were never in a position to repay the load, and that the whole system was going to crash.
the government knows that protecting the banks costs less than paying out FDIC insurance like they fucking should.
They added even more regulation more recently.
We met all the criteria except the positive net wealth due to student loans and in our budget we would have been net positive within 5 years, but 3 banks didn't believe that. We only got the loan because we had 15 % in down payment.
These are the current criteria:
Down payment - minimum 5% of the purchase price from your own funds
Debt factor - total debt must not exceed roughly 4–5× household income before tax
Interest stress test - your budget must handle rates of at least 4.5%
Positive net wealth - either upfront, or a repayment plan making it positive within max. 5 years
Minimum disposable income - $750 - $1050/month left after all expenses, and each child adds $400-500 to that amount.
The mistake was talking to banks. We went to a mortgage broker. They get quotes from like 500 banks and tell you immediately the chances with each one. Sometimes banks reject you for random reasons, like their own exposure to the real estate market.
Plus we got 0.3% lower interest rate than the best offer we got directly from a bank. And the broker handled all the paperwork and communication with the bank.
Of course they got their commission, but if they save us money and effort, good for them, well deserved.
I only have a house because I inherited it from my dad, and my dad only had a house because he inherited it from my late grandpa, and he only had a house because he bought a farmland for some cows back when this was barely a town
Only reason I even have a house is because of inheritance. Only reason I have money to spend in this shit economy where I'm coming up on two years of unemployment is because of inheritance.
and that's how most people should have houses, generational poverty is silly
No, but let's look at it more positively: Cease eating entirely, and the problem will become immaterial soon enough.
There's plenty of money to go around, and we could easily pay that minimum wage, but gotta make those 1%ers richer.
Who needs a functioning society when you can just have a couple trillionaires instead..
We can’t afford the luxury of corrupt politicians, billionaires and shareholders anymore. We need a revolution
This lazy ass ruined generation cannot even get a job or a relationship. You think starting a revolution is more or less difficult than that?
Lol. cannot even get a job? really? read the post again, slowly. for me, pretty please?
As a genZer, we can't get the jobs we were tertiary educated for due to bots and excessive experience standards for entry-level positions, and the relationships thing is a misconception, since everyone in general is more isolated these days, so naturally every generation is facing the harsh reality that getting into a relationship is more difficult than it used to.
In a decade, I could easily say gen Alpha is a "lazy ass ruined generation", but getting your life settled and stable is difficult, especially in a day and age where you can easily dissociate from your surroundings and problems by indulging in the mind numbing infinite scroll of algorithmically chosen short form videos in your pocketable supercomputer.
Lmao Gen Z is rocking the free world right now. I’m damn proud of those kids in France, Serbia,Spain, Italy and Albania
It's hard not to resent the boomers. We shouldn't, but it's hard.
The reality is avocado on wheat toastwould save some people money in the long term (from doctors bills.) Fiber. Protein. A good monounsaturated fat that feeds your HDL (the “good” cholesterol.)
Bonus, fiber creates a more full feeling, longer. That sense of satiation means less snacking and less feeling the need for more food consumption overall.
Not bad for $0.40 in avocado and a slice of wheat bread.
Chuck some diced tomato and a gooey egg and you have my attention. I've also just discovered picked onions which add some tang and crunch.
I think the avocado toast meme originated when a rich millennial saw some other millennial at a Cafe and said you're not rich like me because you bought avocado toast
Managed it when I was 35 in ‘21.
This economy is shit.
Same except it was 2017
American culture is fucked. I have a wife and two kids now, but I had to move to the UK for it. American media has the population so indoctrinated that you're unlikely to find any American stable enough to last any considerable amount of time in marriage. I'm at 5 years, now. If you aren't dealing with an algo-indoctrinated social media scroller, things are better
You moved to a country that had to invent a whole ass religion just so they could have divorces lol
Bro had to outsource the means of reproduction to an island nation run by a shadowy cabal of mostly white dudes wearing funny outfits pulling the strings behind a figurehead monarchy the local culture is completely infatuated with. Basically just like every successful American business venture ever.
Like I have a house, but I dream of just living in a van or an RV.
I never understood that dream as someone who lives in an area with real winters.
Ehh, we used to live in caves and even tents in those same winters.
You can insulate your stuff lol. Don't worry, I know what real winters are. -40 is a cakewalk for me. There's a lot of cool solutions now for that.
Have any cool info or resources? Curious what inside temps are like and what is being used for heating.
Kind of how you wear sleep wear and jeans (with the sleepwear lining lol). Overall the main thing is layering. Aluminum and insulation (can be a composition, even using cardboard between layers). Piss tanks and water tanks are to be inside instead of underneath unless you like piss Popsicles. Shit is best dealt--your on your own with that one lol. Heating is fun, I'd go for a wood or a gas system, they're like tiny boxes. The upside to gas systems is that they can be modded for wood gas.
This is for climates.
Otherwise it's all about AC lol
Thankfully with global warming our dreams will no longer be memes! ✨️ 🙌
I think a lot of people who have never owned a home don't realize how much of a hassle it is.
You don't even really get much equity out of it. If your houses value increases because of the market, so does all the other housing. All the money you have to spend on maintaining it just keeps from dropping in value.
I know at least a half dozen people who have sold their house and gone back to renting.
You don’t even really get much equity out of it. If your houses value increases because of the market, so does all the other housing.
Wrong, so very wrong. First you get to keep 30-60% of your payment as principle, as opposed to rent where you keep 0. Second, the mortgage payment stays the same while rent goes up. Even during modest times this makes a noticeable impact but over the last 15 years the effect has been insane. Even just looking at equity your logic is wrong. Assume I buy a house worth $100k (to keep math easy) and pay $0 down. Now assume it doubles in value, the house is worth $200k and the mortgage is worth $100k. You just made $100k or in real growth close to $50k.
If you plan on staying in one spot for 4+ years, buying is essentially always the correct move. Renting gives you the ability to move as you desire but you're paying in unseen ways.
You don’t even really get much equity out of it
You do get more than if you rent, and pay someone else's mortgage.
Except if you rent you don't have the same financial risk. A new roof or HVAC can easily be over $20k.
A new roof or HVAC
But then you own a home with a new roof or Hvac. Not disputing these are very expensive (and that wages have been left in the dust by inflation for decades), but my parents didn't get HVAC until 3 years ago. And when you rent you only get a place to live, no equity.
That's what I try to get across to my friends. It's like we're all getting older. If you can't get down and fix your sink drainage, don't get a house. It's one thing after another. I'm lucky I can do a lot of stuff myself.
they want it to be 0, and most countries are just burying thier heads in the sand, as long as the rich are buying homes, they believe nothing bad will happen.
Without earlier data it's impossible to know whether it was on the way up or down in 1950, but notice that the prosperity decline started sometime in the 1950s, right when the business world started handing out consumer credit like candy. They discovered that when given the chance, people were willing to spend money they didn't have. And with the shift to psychologically designed advertising that encouraged viewers to feel inadequate and insecure, people could be persuaded to spend money they didn't have on crap they didn't need. Over the next few generations people have gradually become accustomed to more and more debt and less and less financial security. We're like frogs in a slow cooker, suddenly realizing something smells like soup and it's us.
I grew up in a town of 53k people. My sister lives there now and gets factory jobs that pay good. You can buy a house under 200k. No public transportation
you're supposed to skip the $500/mo in subscriptions that you're definitely paying, too
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Mimimum wage in 1970 bought approximately 84 ounces of gold in Canada (roughly similar in the US.) Worth roughly $160 000 pre gold spike, and roughly double that after gold went crazy recently.
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What do you mean by minimum wage in 1970? Do you mean an entire year of 40-hour per week, minimum wage earnings, saved in a piggy bank?
For reference, minimum wage in 1970 was $1.50 in Canada, and $1.60 in USA. 2026 equivalent would be around $13/hour.
Gross earnings for the whole year bought in gold at that same year as a reference. An ounce of gold was $35 in the same time period. That's 89 ounces of gold at $1.5/hr working 40 hours a week.
And yes, I know the US went off the gold standard which made the ratio of dollars to gold go haywire. What's interesting is whatever amount of gold it took to buy a house in 1970 is roughly what you needed to buy it before gold prices skyrocketed recently.
A person in Canada making a 6-figure income today is earning a minimum of 17.55 ounces of gold in gross income
I’ve bought 5 homes in my life, 2 were 680k, one bought recently, you need to take home roughly 10k a month to afford a home at that price point. Closer to 100/ hr if you live in CA. Duel income is a must.
The avocado toast of today is what a cheeseburger used to be (back in the day when it was well-made), just healthier. Boomers used to gorge themselves on ingredients that were much more expensive than fucking avocado and bread, they can stfu.
No one who earned minimum wage was owning homes. There were far more ft salary jobs with opportunities for advancement when the Silent Generation and then the Boomers hit adulthood. Most of those jobs included training so it wasn't expected that everyone have a degree, masters, red seal and work experience before being hired.
Married + home
A house is easy - how much money do I need for a husband/wife?
It's not about minimum wage. In 1950 US Federal minimum wage was $0.75/hr which is equal to $10.38/hr in 2026. $10.38 is lower than the current minimum wage in 29 states.
You're right, it's about maximum worth.
J. Paul Getty was the richest person in the 50s and he was worth about a billion dollars. Adjusted for inflation, thats about $14 billion now.
Elon Musk is 70x richer than that.
It isn't about how little the poor have, its about how much the rich hoard. And it always has been.
What was it in 1960?
Well, about the same percentage is what you get paid of the value you provide to your employer.
Logic makes their brains hurt. I think that’s why this type of ring doesn’t work on them.

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