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[–] 68 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

Theory: They were masterpieces, in the old meaning

A masterpiece was an item you would craft or something you would do to earn you the rank of Master in your Guild.

This is easy to describe and judge, but hard to make if you aren't experienced.

They put them in their gold hoardes as they were basically their version of a degree

(If you're a metalworker and want to check if you would've earned the rank of Master in an ancient Guild, you can try to make one of these)

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Or maybe it was the opposite, they were a basic project assigned to beginner metalsmiths to teach them the different skills. That's why they're everywhere, because everyone who went to the Roman equivalent of trade school made, like, 1-3.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago*

    Isn't this not likely since it wasn't just metalworkers that had them?

    I honestly wonder if there was just some autistic metalworker who came up with this weird fucking design and made a million of them like a psychotic dwarf, and then people started to get fascinated and wanted their own. A literal thingamajig that just fascinated people because of how complex and specific it was, and it just became a cultural phenomenon.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Nothing like showing off your mastery of the craft by... making the exact same thing everyone else did.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Check out 90% of woodworking posts, logic holds up.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Oh shit, is the epoxy river table our version of the dodecahedron!? 😱

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Wait till the wood rots away and all future archaeologists find is the epoxy.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    "We believe 21st century rich people put a long strip of epoxy in their homes for ritualistic purposes. Though some have suggested it's pretty obviously some device for knitting."

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Oh cmon, it's obviously a dildo but the scientists didn't want to say it out loud.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    That's been a common theory for many years but it's between "eeeh, maybe" and debunked.
    Here's a tip: don't publicly theorise about things that you have close to no knowledge about. This shouldn't have to be said.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Here’s a tip: don’t publicly theorise about things that you have close to no knowledge about. This shouldn’t have to be said.

    Nothing wrong with discussing shit you're not an expert on. If it's not proven, it's not proven, they're not hurting anything by suggesting their ideas. You don't have to be an expert to do that. Maybe someone will come up with something no one has thought of before that could then be investigated by experts.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago*

    Your tip is actually really bad. Getting opinions from people who aren't metalworkers or archaeologists or anthropologists is often how answers to these questions are discovered. There are many inventions/discoveries/realizations that are made from people in different trades approaching problems differently.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Idk how many times i have to post this, but it's clearly a prime chaotic resonator. Slot some fossils into that bad boy and craft some good gear!

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Fun fact: While these are from the Roman period, they've mostly been found in what were then the provinces of Brittania and Gaul, and none have ever been found in Italy. Which tends to suggest that they're Celtic or Romano-Celtic rather than Roman.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    When you are feeling under pressure, do something different! Roll up your sleeves or eat an orange.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    That feels like a random quote from the "Little Book of Calm"

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Can't remember if it's the same episode or not, but there's one where Fran tries to figure out what an object is, and in the end it's a lighter.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Most convincing theory I've seen is that it's a cipher tool.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    (/srs) my most convincing theory is that it's for testing smithing skills. Like that one boat on 3D printers.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    A Roman benchie?

    I mean... Maybe... It would be a tricky make that would require quite a bit of skill to cast or bend, weld and polish.

    Not an unreasonable hypothesis all things considered.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago

    A new hand touches the beacon.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    This is going to be future archaeologists with all of our electronics.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    It's already difficult to get some 10 year old devices' documentation or user manual. The company behind it might not even exist anymore so I'm off to digging up the archives or translating chinese OEM's pdfs.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago*

    I sometimes have to support old harsware still used in live systems and sometimes it feels like digital archaeology trying to find. I feel a massive wave of relief if I see them running an old enough version of our software that I can tell them lol nope unsupported.

    Oldest thing I have had to support this month is a card reader from the late 90s. Essentially a scanner which scans printed templates and identifies where someone filled in the form on it. The customer was putting the cards in upside down.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    And you know what to look for, have the resources to find it, and can interpret the information when you find it.

    Imagine having an Xbox, a router, a cable modem, an iPhone 11, the control board from a washing machine, and the central unit from a Tesla and trying to explain what each of them was without any other context, cables, chargers, etc...

    Maybe not even a compatible source of electricity!

    Don't even get me started on the ephemeral nature of software...

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Before someone posts it, no, it’s not for knitting; there are solid ones that would have been useless for that and knitting isn’t known to have been present in the Roman Empire.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    What do you mean knitting wasn't present in the roman empire? That's slightly less absurd than saying knots didn't exist in the bronze age! Lack of evidence doesnt mean it's not present! There's lots of things we know for sure happened during the roman empire despite no one writing about it, like child baptism in early christianity. We don't know what it looked like, but we know where it happened and that everyone was in agreement about the method.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago

    Knitting is a technology, and there isn’t evidence it emerged uniformly throughout the world. Think about the environment that Rome is in; what good is something knitted in a hot Mediterranean climate? We have tons of art and literature documenting weaving, which was very important to Romans, but none of knitting. If you have evidence they had it you should publish it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Knitting is 17th century (in Europe). In Rome you'd have nalbinding as an alternative.

    There's a lot of evidence, both direct and indirect, of textile production techniques. I can recommend reading books from Karina Grömer, if you're interested in the subject.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't know. I knit a lot. I loom knit too by hand. There are methods for making knitted cords that use nails hammered into a circular wood.

    This really looks like it's meant to make gloves and each hole is dedicated to a different finger and a center for sleeves. Maybe it was combined with weaving and there is rope or a wooden hook that we wouldn't see today.

    I was going to 3D print one to experiment and see if I could work something out myself.

    The fact that there are solid ones really throws me off though. I was dead convinced this was a knitting/weaving tool.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    For reference, these are widely available now, but aren't the most popular item. A multi sided one with multiple holes might do different sized cords. Possibly a mesh. Maybe gloves. I don't know.

    There is a YouTube channel I watch where this lady gets so creative with these looms that she's managed to make just about anything, so if it was meant for knitting/weaving of some sort, you really could use it to make just about anything.

    They come in many different shapes with different sized spokes and different spacing. It is faster than traditional knitting in my opinion, but harder to get complicated colorwork/patterns.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I can't believe this is not known. Its the Continuum Transfunctioner.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That is a very mysterious and powerful device. I've heard its mystery is only exceeded by its power.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    Time Traveler: "Listen, I know it's weird, but spread making this thing as a tradition, it'll confuse the fuck out of historians in a couple thousand years."

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    In case anyone isn't in on the joke, it's a device for circumcising boys

    You find the hole of the appropriate diameter, stick his penis in, then spin it as you pull it off and it cuts the foreskin off (the inner edges are sharp)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    What is the bowl of wicker balls on the coffee table in every airbnb for?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Multipurpose candle holder.

    Holds candles of different diameters.

    It's so obvious we probably shouldn't write it down

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Looks like a toy, the ancient equivalent of a fidget spinner.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    They never have any signs of wear, and children are always a destructive force, so this is unlikely.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (6 children)

    The broken ones didn't get saved.

    Edit: I'm just now remembering the staggering amount of broken and discard pipes and pottery we have in display cases literally everywhere. Nevermind.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Would you put a fidget spinner in with your gold horde, like some of them have been?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Have you ever seen a bronze fidget spinner?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    It would be less remarkable to people who grew up with them :p

    Archaeologists get a lot of flak for defaulting to ‘it was for religious/ritual purposes’, but I think cult membership/usage might actually be a good explanation. Especially considering the existence of things like cults that think Platonic solids were some kind of sacred knowledge.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    It’s a very interesting characterization of archaeologists as “defaulting” to something that’s their entire field of study.

    Not criticizing; I just thought that was amusing.

    And do they get a lot of flack for that? Perhaps you’ve been watching too much Stargate SG1.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Archaeologists study a lot more than ritual spaces, many don’t even have anything to do with that. It’s a joke that archaeologists themselves make, because sometimes people get carried away and use it to explain things they’re unfamiliar with but aren’t ritual related.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Phone stand

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    It's an anomalous object that expands the inside dimensions of a space without altering the outside dimensions. It gets lazy about it after a while though and starts making stuff out of whatever bullshit comes to hand, though. DO NOT leave it outside for prolonged periods of time.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    It's an old-school Beanie Baby.

    Someone crafted, it looked amazing, everyone wanted one, they probably started calling them good luck charms and sold a bunch more.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I mean, isn't it obvious? It's for winding up string or twine. Clothing thread or fishing line or thin rope..... So many uses!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Just try building your nanomachines without one!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    It's for starting a ball of yarn, also drugs

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    It was found in a Roman toilet along with three shells.

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    [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I bet it's a massage tool of some sort.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Looks like you would need to be a 6 dimensional creature to enjoy being massaged by something like that. Or maybe I'm just looking at this all the wrong way

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Modular mace head

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Obviously it's the ship design the Grays used during their early recon phase.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's used to calculate firing solutions for ancient Roman cannons. The different sizes equate to the different round types.

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