At a small restaurant in Tennessee, USA.

I don't like that they asked an LLM to graphic design the entire menu, but why in the name of robot jesus did they look at the result and say "great. Love it. Print 100 copies."

The food pictures made me physically ill. They're really upsetting! I told the Waitress, who agreed that the pics were awful, and the manager/owner(?) who didn't seem to care.

There are LLM inconsistencies all over, too, like icons changing from page to page.

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[–] 170 points 1 month ago* (30 children)

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I swear, a swathe of the older population seems to have "diffusion blindness." They can glance at images like this and think its acceptable for their business, like something about their perception just softens the uncanny valley.

Hence, Facebook, in its current state.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago* (15 children)

    I imagine many of them have vision so deteriorated that they literally can't see the difference. And I will remind you, these people are still allowed to drive.

    This is especially absurd in the context of it already being a restaurant. "How are we going to get pictures for the menu, boss?"

    Gee, I dunno. Maybe just make the meal in question and take a fucking picture of it? You are running a restaurant, so I have to charitably assume that somebody there is capable of cooking whatever it is, and plating it up, and sticking it on the cleanest table in the joint for a couple of seconds. For being printed at 72 DPI and the size of a postage stamp anyway, using your cell phone to take the picture will be just fine.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

    Taking a good looking picture of food is not actually all that easy, professionals earn(ed) a lot of money doing it.

    That said i 100% prefer a casual real picture over the promotional art in a menu. I want to see what i am getting and i mean prefer it over the professional photo. Ai food looks absolutely disgusting.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago*

    Ehhhh, a smartphone with a common "food" filter and a decent angle on the food does a fairly good job these days. The small sensor actually gives just the right amount of depth of field, whereas a big camera would have to stop down or focus stack anyway.

    I agree with the sentiment though. Running a business is hard; they only have so much energy, so corners have to be cut, and they clearly tried to cut the media budget they'd need to stage every meal on the menu.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's so easy, honestly. This is fresh mackerel with a baked potato, patty pan squash, sugar snap peas, beet tops and courgette.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Yeah this "good pictures are hard" thing I keep hearing is nonsense to me. What the heck are people on about?

    I guess this doesn't look like a professional shot or something, but it's plenty informative and doesn't look Eldritch.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Considering they explicitly commented that photo quality isn't important, how good professional photos of food are isn't relevant.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Maybe i am blind but i dont think they explicitly said that.

    I just know that “traditionally” food industry does not make pictures themselves they hire a professional artist for doing so. That was just normal bussines. So they where never in the habbit of doing it themselves.

    While i never agreed with advertisment more fancy than the actual product. That is/was a career where people put real effort and artistic skill into. Its huge shame that its getting stolen by ai with literally 0 results.

    I wonder what pictures this menu had before ai.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Depends on the 'food industry'.

    Big chains, sure, they have photographers come in.

    The little chinese restauraunt near me, clearly they just snapped pictures of their food with smartphones and slapped them on the board. Their printed menu was just text. I suspect if this is a small restaurant, they probably just had text on menu, and thought AI could give them 'big restaurant' menu impression, but instead got horror show of crap. They probably could have provided some pictures and directed it to make a menu layout but do not generate images, but use these pictures.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Honestly, taking a good enough picture of food is pretty easy, except when you want to be misleading.

    Tricks like knowing exactly what you are allowed and not allowed to substitute for 'better looking'. For example knowing you can substitute something for milk when taking picture of cereal, because something with glue 'looks nicer'. Or carefully arranging the ingredients so that while the burger is technically using the same ingredients as what you get, the ingredients are all to one side so it looks like more from the angle of the camera.

    For casually accurate pictures of a small restaurant menu, just take pictures in average lighting and it will be fine.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I imagine many of them have vision so deteriorated that they literally can’t see the difference. And I will remind you, these people are still allowed to drive.

    Eh, that's more cynical than what I mean. I'm not trying to insult older folks, not their health nor intelligence.

    I was talking more about psycological 'perception,' assuming their vision is sharp, or they have reading glasses on or whatever. My observaton is their brain tends to operate more on 'autopilot,' even among remarkably smart older folks, so perhaps they're more inclined to miss 'uncanny valley' things like this until someone points it out and they really focus on the picture's details.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    so perhaps they’re more inclined to miss ‘uncanny valley’ things like this until someone points it out and they really focus on the picture’s details.

    I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Like skimming while reading, you know what eggs look like. Also, if they took a bad pic, you'd skim like that too. Most menu's pics don't look like what you're going to get regardless.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Vision can be fine at certain sight distance and not fine at others. That may make them perfectly fine to drive but to miss fine details. This happens frequently with near and far sighted people.

    I can't see granular details anymore without glasses but that doesn't affect my driving at all (granular details being font at sizes like 4 point). I used to be able to read it without problems, but as I have aged it's not something I can do anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    There are business owners who greenlight even this crapola thinking the generated content is good enough, or because they want to get into the AI bandwagon because it's so goddamn cheap to them, so that they don't have to pay a professional photographer, a layout artist and a printing press just for a set of menus. All they care about is the results, cut to the chase, and that's instant gratification.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    If you want to be cheap, just don't show the food. That's what the penny pinchers used to do before the advent of clip art; print out a bare list of meals on the cheapest colored paper they could find.

    If they were feeling really fancy, they'd laminate it and be uncomfortably insistent about getting it back.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Sure, they can do either one of these, but where I live, business owners are very vain, have little appreciation of art, but want to be seen as "sophisticated"; they love LLM immediacy, it's almost magic to them, because they don't have to come visit a print shop, tell what they want, then come back and be presented three different layout samples to choose from before final production.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I'm curious. Why do you assume the restaurant owner must be older? What is the cause of "diffusion blindness" and how does it relate to a person's age? IOW considering that these AI images are relatively new, common and widespread in less than the last 10 years or so, they are of the same "newness" to most people, certainly to all adults.

    So, above what age would a person be susceptible to "diffusion blindness", and why that particular age? Could it be related to the number of years lived before the rise of so many AI images? It seems to me that the more years lived before the influx of AI images, the weirder they would seem, so that the older a person, the more likely they would be to find the images bizarre and unnatural. Or do I have it backwards, and if so, please explain.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Much of social media these days is starting from "old people bad", and working backwards from there. Including accusations that it's only old people on Facebook engaging in nonsense. Absolutely no self awareness there at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    What is Facebook like these days?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    From what I have seen, it’s bottom-barrel diffusion/LLM generated engagement farming. Thirst posts, political ragebait, AI Jesus, trippy nonsense; basically anything to farm likes, which users apparently like in aggregate.

    It’s notably more obvious than most social media. It’s even more obvious than Instagram, with its flood of bot influencers linking to autogenerated OnlyFans pages/chats.

    On top of this, it’s basically the only place Meta can push Muse, as there is little interest in it elsewhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Oof. Glad I got rid of it then. Once the algorithm got rid of every friends post on my feed, there wasn't really any point anymore.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Except Facebook Marketplace, which has a stranglehold on local listings :(

    Not that I have used it, but it’s very tempting.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    When I gave up Reddit cold turkey for APIpocalypse, I started browsing Facebook as mindless scrolling content.

    And yes, I know, it's worse than Reddit for a lot of reasons.

    There's a ton of AI slop on it. Los of repost bots. Lots of low effort culture war nonsense.

    Outside of good Facebook groups, it's mostly straight garbage. But, I kinda appreciate being able to see what the normies are seeing.

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  • [–] 86 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    The power move was to tell the manager, and then leave afterwards without ordering anything.

    Let them see the direct consequences of their actions, money walking out the door.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Even better: order something and then throw a tantrum that it looks nothing like the picture.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The service workers don't deserve that, the manager might tho since they probably OK'd that menu

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Yep, the pro move would be to wait for the food to come out; politely ask your server if you could speak to the manager about the discrepancy between the photos and the actual food; ream the manager loudly once they arrive; and then leave without eating or paying. Super pro move would be to leave a small tip for the server as well.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    THAT TOTALLY LOOKS LIKE HUMAN FOOD WHICH I SHALL CONSUME WITH MY…FOOD PORT.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    YES. SUSTINANCE FOR YOUR MOIST MOUTH PORT. DISREGARD WHILE I WATCH YOU INSERT THINGS INSIDE.

    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

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    That shit doesn't even look like food.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    The trouble with food that looks like that, you have to keep an eye on it. Whenever you look elsewhere there's a faint rustling noise, you catch a rapid movement in your peripheral vision and look back, only to see it has taken a different form. Chances are all the photos on the menu were actually the same dish. Is it alive? Is it sentient? Is it one organism or many? Such questions lose their meaning with food like this.

    Oh and don't eat it because you won't be human any more

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is some sloppy slop.

    Anyone that cares this little about how their food is represented before ordering, doesn't care about the food or customer. It saved the owner $50 one time, and that was worth it.

    Sorry, Riverstone Restaurant, but fuck off with this.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    How hard is it to take a picture of the food after it's been prepared??? God damn...

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Not that I'm on their side, but it can take a lot of prep and experience to take good food pics. Now having said that, often my favorite places have pictures that are decades old and faded, and probably weren't great pictures to begin with.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    yeah it takes prep and time, unless you just take pics of the food you're vending and be honest.

    there's an idea. just advertise what you're selling. wild huh?

    anyway, both prepared pics and casual shots are better than literal fucking nightmare fuel.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I hear this said so often. But at the same time, sharing photos of your meal on social media is pretty popular and it still makes people call it out as looking delicious. Those photos are usually very amateur, but look better than anything on many food menus even before all the slop.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    That's a bit harsh. A lot of the pictures you see on menus are not what they cooked in the kitchen. Because cooked food doesn't look sexy enough. Or only when it's hot and then steam coming off it makes it look worse in the image. So they use glue to gloss things up, replace entire ingredients (e.g. motor oil for maple syrup), etc. Food photography is serious business. And expensive.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    yeah, I've been shooting my own images for the mealie i setup and even perfectly arranging the plate and putting all the kitchen lights on it, it just looks kinda meh. Except for sandwhiches. bread always looks fine AF.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Commercial photographer here, shot for big brands and independents, with some super-fucking-expensive stylists. Never used anything like that, with the exception of coffee brands using whipped face cream instead of edible cream because it lasts much longer on set and they don't give a fuck. Brands like McDonalds have learned from being sued, and document the whole process, weighing each ingredient so they can prove it's real. The reason it looks fake as fuck is that they spend ~30 mins assembling one burger with tweezers and pins and hand-selected pieces of salad etc, syringes to pipe the sauce exactly where they want it etc.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago

    Whats wrong honey? You've barely touched your needle skillet.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Some look like plastic, some look like dogfood, and the second image is wigging out my trypophobia 🤮

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Its extremely unpleasant. Why not use pictures of the food they actually have in the building? Even clip art or stock images would have been better.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Takeing good looking photos of food takes effort and time. Layouting takes time and effort and knowledhe of how to use (possibly paid) layouting software.

    AI likely hands you a result in 5-10 minutes, compared to hours of work for a menu made traditionally.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hi there. Yeah, I'll have the glistening yellow blorbs on whiteflats, fried 𝔾𝔼𝕆𝕄𝔼𝕋ℝ𝕐, waves o' bacon aaaaand a slice of geographic meat. Do you do ōᴹᴹēᴸᴸēᵀᵀē with 🅀🅄🄱🄴🄼🄴🄰🅃? Cool, one of those too.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's really not hard to do normally. Almost everybody has a smart phone with a reasonably good camera on it. Take a clean table, turn on all the lights, make each dish with a little extra care so it looks nice, and take a picture of it. You don't even have to pay anybody.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    That means making each dish at least once before opening the restaurant to the public and spending money on ingredients without having a customer pay for them. You’d think a restaurant would make each dish at least once in a trial run for family and friends or something anyway before opening, but it seems not. Otherwise, another option is opening with a temporary text-only menu and taking pictures as customers order each dish. Not sure they’re going to get that chance at this point with spider-web hashbrowns in the menu. Who wouldn’t get up an leave after seeing that?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I've seen these AI food menus all over the place here in Vancouver. It sucks.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Ok, I'm not a fan of generative content anyway, but sometimes it's at least saving effort. I'm confused how a restaurant, who presumably makes and serves these meals, couldn't just take pictures of the meals instead of doing this? Surely that'd be easier, and you'd have an outcome that actually represents your product. This is just insane, and shows a total disregard for what they're making. I'd love (hate) to see what their refrigerator and kitchen look like if they put so little care into the menu that's facing the customer.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Definitely not defending them here, but taking appetizing menu quality photos of food is surprisingly tricky.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    And to dovetail on that: while true, it is very easy to take simple photos of food and use the exact same machine that they used to make this monstrosity to improve those photos and make them appetizing and menu quality.

    It really depends on where you put the machine, doesnt it?

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    I'm in Kenya at the moment and it seems nearly all restaurant menus are made with AI. It's awful and I keep asking if the food is real as the photos aren't.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I glanced at it and though it was bad. Then I zoomed in and it’s so much worse!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What is tge second drink supposed to be. I sometimes really don't kbow if i see bad or if they just hallucinate somethi g that i don't understand. Tgese AI pictures feel like a weird dream where things appear to make sense, but they really don't

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Those pictures make me feel like some decent psychedelics are about to kick in.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    and the manager/owner(?) who didn’t seem to care.

    The owner. That's the one who did it I bet anything. This is typical owner-type psychopathy. A manager would want customers at least. An owner thinks the money spawns in their bank account because they're "good at runnin buisness."

    And not a single one of these pieces of shit ever admits to generating it. Its always "Oh uh is it AI though? Looks pretty real. How can you tell it's AI? I'll take your for it but I don't see what the big deal is. It's the future though so we might as well get used to it."

    Come on "AI artists" and "prompt engineers". Why don't you take credit for your "legitimate" work?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    No pictures at all would be vastly preferable. I'd've walked out.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Forget the visuals for a second and tell me how $17 for an omelette is anywhere near okay.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    That's when you let them know you're walking out and why.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    LMFAO It's cheaper to order your meal as sides. The "Riverstone" comes out to $9.48

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Well it does also include grits or hash browns in the meal. So it could cost like $14.50 if you went with the most expensive options for meat choice and hash. But a worse deal if you get sausage

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    So don't fucking eat there.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    They probably thought taking photos of their dishes would have been complicated or expensive. Funny thing, if they were going for this overall aesthetic, then taking the photos with a cellphone (no matter how crap and outdated) and slapping Instagram filters (or equivalents) on them would have worked beautifully. Anything is better than this.

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