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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Why would Congress disappearing simultaneously knee cap every doctor?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    yes no they won't get imprisoned, they will just be forced to pay pocket money

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  • [–] 127 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Innocent?

    If they are innocent, how would releasing the document destroy them?

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In trump’s mind, there’s nothing more “innocent” that forcing two underage girls to dress up as maids, force them to perform sexual acts on each other and him, sexually assault them, and then tell them they “performed adequately “ before leaving them

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    Because rich people are allowed to rape children. Innocence is bought. Sometimes the language they use just exposes what they really mean. You just have to pay attention.

    They're not dumb. The language and the words they use reveals a lot. They are saying that revealing the worst crimes of the capitalist class will destroy the world because the capitalist class will side with pedophiles before they let the proletariat take their power.

    They are saying "don't make us go full fascist death camps. Revealing this will just lead to us treating the entire population like we have Gaza. We'll defend our pedophiles if we need to to maintain power"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Trump will play this one like he’s played so many others: “It’s a witch hunt. They’re making up accusations to smear me. They’ll do anything to take me down because they hate me. They hate you too. See how the woke mob treat people? This is why we must destroy them.”

    Allegations of sexual misconduct have a mixed history (at best) of being taken seriously. Unless there is airtight evidence locked up in those files which was specifically composed for the purpose of implicating people, and then sealed for blackmail leverage or something like that, I can’t see any charges sticking to Trump. I mean the fucker is already an impeached convicted felon and self-confessed (on tape!) rapist. His flock will never turn against him.

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    [–] 207 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    If stability means the pillars of our society are held up by pedophiles bring on the fuckin instability.

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  • [–] 117 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it's always funny when conservatives are like 'careful what you wish for, Clinton was friends with Epstein too!'. Like we give a fuck, lock him up!

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, my dad was going on about "why do all the Democrats want the Epstein files released, weren't the Clintons in there" and I'm like yeah, I want them to be investigated as well if needed. They can't imagine people would want the guys on their side investigated because after Nixon, they truly think any investigation of a political figure is for political gain.

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    [–] 92 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Conservatives about Pizzagate, a made-up fantasy conspiracy theory on a pedophile ring of powerful people: put them all in jail!

    Conservatives about the Epstein files, a real-life conspiracy on a pedophile ring of powerful people: well surely we can't put all these people in jail, think about the consequences!

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Trump says it can destroy innocent people? Why would innocent people be against publishing a list of pedophiles?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He's hijacking the point that victims need to have their identities protected. But instead of victims he means the perpetrators.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I call bullshit on 2/3 of Congress. I believe they’re not nearly as wealthy or powerful as the people being protected.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    call bullshit on 2/3 of Congress.

    Yeah..... It really doesn't have to be that dramatic. The GOP would be more than willing to bury any kind of evidence if it only endangered a couple of their mega donors.

    I mean I'm guessing that the people wealthy enough to partake in pedo island probably aren't a fan of paying taxes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans will ever release the Epstein files. Yes, this is a case in which "both sides" applies. I don't understand why we didn't pressure Biden to release this shit before the election.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah in fact a lot more than 1/3rd of Congress voted to release the files. 211 Republicans voted to shut down the release. Seems more like a simple majority of congress is negatively impacted by the pedophile ring being exposed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I think we should expel 2/3 of Congress based solely on if they take corporate/billionaire money or not. That number would probably be higher than 2/3, though.

    But also expelling violent criminals would be nice, even though likely all the violent criminals in Congress are also corrupt.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They're by definition NOT INNOCENT. Whatever happened to "drain the swamp"?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’ve heard this “if we expose them whatta-buh-bout collapse?” a few times now. And if you’re trying to tell me that the global system is predicated upon the ultra rich and powerful being able to traffick and serially abuse children and get away with it, that’s not a system worth saving.

    Burn it down, to the water line, and start anew. Release the whole thing, not a redacted or doctored list to quell the MAGA revolt. Everyone who was ever on that island - from the wait staff to Bill Gates - needs to be investigated properly, cleared as appropriate, and punished as deserved.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Completely agree, and the stonkingly overinflated ego on them to even contemplate an inking of the idea that society would collapse just because some scummy paedo cunts get some well deserved comeuppance is astonishing.

    Christ, fucking baboons do a better job keeping their societies running more smoothly then these kiddie fiddling chucklefucks.
    Plus there would be many more people chomping at the bit to do their 'jobs', but do it better.

    Send the nonces to prison, fuck sake.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Why would anything collapse? What a dumb thing to say. These people already don't do anything but leech off the system. We'd have a more effective government and we'd kick the real welfare queens out.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    FUD let's them scare people into accepting fascist policy like the secret police & concentration camps by vilifying immigrants instead of the actual source of voters' problems, billionaires and the way their wealth hoarding destabilizes democracies.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is what a by-election is for. Someone is removed/resigns from office, or dies in office, surely you just run a by-election?

    At least this is what we do in Australia for our house of reps (there's a different system for the senate since electorates are state-wide).

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Lol yeah we couldn't possibly elect new reps. Gotta love conservatives and their static view of the world.

    *This is Atlas Shrugged from what I understand (haven't read it). It's a handful of businessmen that grace the world, and without them the world can't function.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    wait wait wait lmao hold on, are you saying the political elite are too big to fail? we can’t allow pedophile rapists to be punished because they weaseled their way to the top? i’m not fucking following the logic of their anger.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is a government full of pedophiles worth saving?

    No. The answer is no.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    The world’s most powerful people going to prison would not cause the collapse of society. That is just not what society is. Even setting aside all hate for the 0.1% and judgments about whether they deserve prison, it’s just ridiculous to say that society depends on them. Who even wrote that line? Ayn Rand’s grandson?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's not collapse, that's just justice. That's people being held accountable for their crimes. Society is still going to function fine without them, their roles, if they even have any, will just be taken over by the next person in the command structure.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Or, better yet, we (as in society as a whole) can take the opportunity of clearing house to restructure our government (and, by extension, economic) systems to one where corrupt individuals cannot readily acquire hierarchical authority over others and entrench themselves behind layers of systemic powers.

    Instead of an electoralist system where we elect representatives to dictate at their discretion which interests they will ultimately support for a federated system of syndicates where each has a set of delegates which have been assigned a specific responsibilities and expectations where, if those individuals are found to neglect their responsibilities, we can readily rescind their power of authority and replace them.

    Power must come from the bottom up, otherwise we are slaves to the whims of those who wield authority from on high.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Wasn't Trump all about draining the swamp? And now that there is a swamp to drain he pussy's out? I guess TACO really was accurate.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We built a presidency, and it fell into the swamp.... So we built another one!!!

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    It would in no way impede the stability of society, quite the opposite. Those are the very same people who are responsible for much of the instability. If the US were to start prioritising the public good over the profits of the oligarchy, 99.99% of society would benefit.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good?

    Shit ain't exactly stable for 99.9% of us.

    If arresting pedos also substantially changes the way our society works, that's a win-win

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    You're misunderstanding me bro.... See, we can't overthrow the criminally corrupt and pedophilic oligarchy, nor have legitimate democracy, because that would destabilize society... and as we all know, society is more stable when we protect criminals and pedophiles.

    😳

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They think they hold up society.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Imprisioned? Hardly. Not with their kind of money and influence. Some would go down. We already know lots of names on the list which aren't getting any serious time out of this.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Theses people think way too highly of themselves. All of them are easily replaceable.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If all of them went into their respective places of work tomorrow, locked themselves in and then all died of a gas leak, I wonder how long it would be before anyone would actually notice.

    Much of the workings of a country are run by civil servants, etc who would still be there. They'd just get no new orders. People would still get paid. Shit would still get done.

    It could be years before we find them.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I severely doubt society would collapse. I'm even willing to bet that it would begin to flourish. If people with power and control are willing to do these things to kids, imagine what they do to you even now with their executive powers.

    I'm seriously wondering that if these people refuse to release the information, it's time to vote for these representatives with lead next. This cannot be tolerated and we need to ensure people are afraid to commit such atrocious crimes on our young.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Like the Panama papers?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    2/3rds of Congress? Is that why the vote to release the files was along party lines, with 211 Republicans voting to stop the release of the files? I think it's more like a simple majority of congress, lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if there were members of congress involved but the reason certain individuals are voting against the release is because the people paying the congressional reps are certainly on the list. Which does make them complicit and guilty but not an actual offender like trump, Clinton etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people on the list on the democrat side voted in favor of releasing them knowing that the republicans would vote it down anyways.

    They just wanted the good optics.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Oh, cool satyrical comment about what a Republican would say.

    And then a Democrat would say "by that logic, couldn't a mix of Republicans vote yes and Democrats vote no? Instead it's a clear partisan split like this problem only really effects one side, and everyone voting yes who would be impacted would then risk not only their career but the rest of their lives in the off chance it did pass."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Do you really think that none of the democrats who voted on this are on the list?

    We already know bill Clinton is on the list democrats are not immune from this. Power corrupts and that applies to democrats and republicans.

    The republicans never go against what trump wants no matter what so of course they would all vote against this. They have been doing this for every heinous policy that trump wants why would they stop here?

    This is an issue of people using their positions of power to do evil shit and the republicans probably do have more people on the list but to pretend that democrats aren't guilty as well is naive.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Power does not corrupt. Throughout history there have been individuals who used their power to do extraordinary good.

    What power does do, specifically power that is hierarchical in structure, is attract those who are already corrupt. Those individuals crave power above all else and will do anything to secure that power for themselves whereas someone who would use that power for good would not resort to underhanded tactics in order to manipulate a win and is thus less likely to succeed in obtaining that position. This is especially true in our electoralist system where the method in which people obtain seats of power is nothing more than a popularity contest.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can't reasonably hold a popularity competition for representation when you live in a society where misinformation is encouraged.

    Power and money corrupt most people. The government should be designed from the ground up to resist corruption. It should eliminate manipulation and ensure societies policies are sustainable and that future generations will thrive.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean, you can't reasonably hold a popularity contest for representation, period. This electoralists system is intrinsically flawed in that it only will ever appeal to the lowest common denominator and, as you stated, is readily manipulated by those who benefit from the intentional spread misinformation in order to exploit that aspect of the system.

    As you said, our government needs to be restructured to resist corruption. You accomplish that by doing away with hierarchy in favor of horizontal structures where the power of authority comes from the bottom up, not from the top down. This is why I am a proponent of Anarchist political theory. Everyone should read Kropotkin's Conquest of Bread at least once.

    Again, I really must emphasize this point, power does not corrupt. Corrupt people seek power. There is a difference.

    Money is simply a tool that gives people power. Give a million to a good person and it would be gone within a week as they would spend it to better themselves and those around them. Give a million to a corrupt person and they will use it to acquire more, because the corrupt crave the power that money gives them.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It is not the elites of society who keep the role turning, it's the workers.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Also The Conservative Alternative:

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    If they can be destroyed by the truth, they absolutely must be destroyed by the truth.

    From this point on, reporters should work off of the baseline assumption that everyone who voted not to release the documents are mentioned in the documents. Until proven otherwise.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Ah yes, the world will collapse because of a problem that is almost exclusively in the USA.

    On an unrelated note, have you ever heard of Americentrism?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Golly, how many important men participated in the r*pe of little girls?

    It's like anyone who seeks public attention is a pervert!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I would imagine there are at least half a million people far more qualified and with more integrity to replace those dummys

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    why do i feel like, when the files will be released, basically nothing will happen to the people that are on it?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The worst thing that would happen would be the power vacuum it creates. I can totally see the Democrats splitting and a third party joining in, all fighting over what's left.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    would be imprisoned

    Hahaha! Oh surely they aren't that naive! What about the world today makes them think anyone on that list will face ANY consequences, even if the list was released?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "Right-wing pedophile apologists who elected a pedophile to the highest office in the land continue to apologize for pedophiles."

    I need to take up drinking.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It doesn't help. You will sober up at some point and it's just going to be worse.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I hate how hopeful I am. I keep believing that at some point these people on the right are going to wake up and realize what they've voted for.

    And I am continuously disappointed as they make more and more excuses for the criminal acts their leadership has committed each time they come to light.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. The only thing I see wrong with this is not doing it. If my reps are kiddie diddlers, or kiddie diddler enablers, I'd like to know so we can kick their asses straight to jail. I don't really give a fuck if I need to participate in another election.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nothing would collapse without those shit bags. If anything, it would thrive without lecherous pedos.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So we are at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    This is such embarrassing fantasy that it’s almost hard to believe that real people believe it, but traitor lunatics thrive on nonsense. This Epstein list is like the pizza parlor conspiracy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Newsweek said that O'Reilly said that Chat GPT said that you're a cunt.

    But seriously, put those pedophiles in jail. We can elect new representatives. This wouldn't destabilize society.

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