Happened to me... Except that before last step I quit.

AI bullshit!

I’m sure there is a little truth to it sometimes but one big thing this ignores is that many of us have always had remote coworkers because our employer has multiple offices in different cities, countries, and continents around the world. I’m not worried about someone who’s in the office with my boss passing me by because that’s a tiny minority of everyone we work with anyway.

Interestingly, this is also why WFH has held up at the company where I work. Even when you go in to the office, you spend half the day on zoom. Our company has consolidated floors, closed whole offices and entire campuses to reduce the amount of real estate it pays to maintain. There’s a lot of savings in it for them. And our CEO has said that he likes how remote work makes it trivial to get the entire leadership team together for a conversation because they aren’t all flying around the world constantly, inaccessible for days at a time because they’re traveling. They do make in person visits, but don’t live on planes like they used to. They also did the math and they exceeded their 10 year goal for climate reduction overnight just by going to remote.

There are so many benefits for the company as well as the employees that I’m really confused why some companies go all RTO. Probably they just don’t have good systems in place to know who’s doing their job. We do.

How is that bullshit? People do like to give promotions to other people they like, sometimes irrelevant of talent. Look at literally all non-democratic governments.

And it’s no secret random conversations not about work happen a lot more in person. These are the kind of conversations that make friendships, not the 1 on 1 with your manager on teams.

This is why most sane companies don’t force you to do 4 days but instead make it so that if you only have to do 2 days at the office, they’re the same 2 days of the week for everyone to avoid the situation in this post.

he stays the fuck out of their way.

That's like, 70% of good management.

oh I believe in the promotion fairy. Just not the raise fairy.

My takeaway is that internal promotions aren't based on merit and you gotta schmooze.

My first thought was, how do you work at a company with literal toddlers at management level and above and expect it to end well? I just started at a job where my boss is planning on slowing down and stepping back. A key part of getting the job was a willingness to work independently and with little to no direct supervision.

But then my boss is in touch with his business and aware of what's happening without having to actively spy on us. Also finding he loathes progress reports for the sake of progress reports. I'm still adjusting to no longer being actively micromanaged but it's clear that I need to check in when something is too much for me or when it's finished, anything else is wasting time.

Ding ding ding ding

Considering this was made with AI, yes, absolutely

Fake it til you make it

If I didn't have to explain the same exact shit I did last week in the 4th different way and have you still not understand, BUT still want to...

I appreciate that you want to understand, but I recognize you won't and that is okay. You don't need to know the details to take credit for the work. Your insistence to understand is wasting all of our time and most of my productivity.

There was an experiment where they simulated LLM performing various company roles. The higher you put it, the more effective it was... xD

Well ok then, in their own words, managers are incompotent morons who lack object permanence and have no idea how to gauge the usefulness or productivity or worth of any employee... without being able to invade their personal space and randomly question them.

Uhhhh.... yeah? Have you never had a job before? XD

Half this thread is delusional raging against uncomfortable truths. Just because you dislike the reality before you isn't a reason to pretend it doesn't exist.!

It's trying to claim that the reason they got the promotion was they were physically in the building more than others. Because being seen is more important than doing the job

Of course, because promotion is the only way to get ahead, by taking on more responsibilities and managing other people, god forbid you'd get a raise just for being really good at what you do.

This "promotion as next obvious thing you want" needs to die. I don't want to go manage people and have told my manager that I'm happy in my current role and I don't want a promotion. He was quite happy to know he did not have to worry about that.

No, you shouldn't feel good. Just think about the promotionest promotional promotion you would get promoted into if you you showed up in person! Someone out there got it instead!

/s just in case

So... You still working on rain or have you been promoted to snow?

Wait: You're not one of those sleet people, are you?

How's cloud engineer? I'm going into IT and I wanna know more about diffrent paths

I've been work from home for 10 years now and ive gotten numerous promotions. I do travel a good bit (once every other month) where I get face to face time with coworkers, but that certainly hasn't always been the case. I guess what I'm trying to say is that info graphic is absolutely bullshit.

100% shitty management - remote workers force managers to do more than just float around an office having hallway conversations.

Because those employers are hoarding the money that would go towards a raise, only shoveling it into the maws of their CEOs and shareholders.

And let's be fair, no one is getting the promotion.

It's about an AI generated sense of accomplishment.

It's not wrong, but what it describes is ethically wrong in my opinion. Raises and promotions are less about work performance and more about performative theatre. Being chummy with management is often a better predictor of upward career trajectory.

Any decent manager knows better, but many managers became such by schmoozing their way up, so the cycle of incompetence continues.

One thing I noticed when people would call into a meeting and other people were in a room for same meeting, the computer screen was always shared so any data or presentation was shown to the call-in people but then someone in room would ask a question and the presenter would draw a diagram or a drawing on the white board and the call in person completely missed it.

Like a presenter would report data and say something like "the measurements of dimension 0.45 +/- 0.005 are trending upwards close to the control limit" and then someone in room asks "what is that dimension for". The presenter would then go to the white board and draw a diagram. You might say can't you just pull up the drawing on the computer and the answer in yes except for where 2 parts interact. You could pull up both drawings and kinda move mouse around like see this feature, then switch to second drawing, move mouse around second feature and be like feature one snaps into feature 2. Or draw a simple diagram in 30 seconds.

As others have said, many managers are kind of stupid and don't have good object permanence.

There's a guy at work who's very visible but most of what he's doing is bad. He's like writing a linter from scratch instead of just using the tools we already have. But he's visible, and idiot managers that don't understand how computers work think he's doing great work. The engineers that actually get shit done competently are quietly whispering about how to block and delay this guy's nonsense.

At my last job, whenever the manager and one of the guys would both be in the office together, by the end of the day they'd have cooked up some horrible idea. Then the rest of us would struggle to take stop it without losing all our social capital. Maybe if we'd all been in the office that would've been easier, but if they knew how to fucking collaborate it also would have been fine.

Maybe that's your point. There are people who are incompetent at collaboration and communication. They will never get better. Being in office with them is maybe the only way to deal with that.

I find it works better for staff to come in if they are still learning on a task. I am far more likely to get people to ask me and each other questions in person than over email and instant message.

I've literally given a job to two people, broken out the components on who would do what, told them to coordinate with each other, them found out later they never reached out to each other once. Then I had to get involved in redoing the task.

Yeah, I've been remote for most of the last 20 years. Some people seem to lack object permanence and organization skills and completely forget that their remote coworkers/subordinates exist.

Only way your gonna get anywhere is if you eat ass

I've been remote since 2013. We said "distributed" because it was important that we didn't have a central office. This kind of thing happened much less. A company can do distributed well.

That hasn't held up forever. Because, well, gestured wildly at entire sub.