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[–] 166 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Strange Panzers lying in ponds distributing shells is no basis for a system of government…

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Surely you don't think supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses?

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    As opposed to what, a farcical aquatic ceremony?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 103 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    This is far too useful to be a shitpost.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Barely, only if you choose round and small numbers. 67% of 347 or 347% of 67 which one is easier?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    347 is pretty damn close to 350.

    350% of 67 =3.5 x 67 ~ 180+21+33=234

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    it's very often not useful. Like, what's 6% of 80? See. Still hard.

    Also, with the 6% of 50 example it's easy without using this trick.

    What's 6% of 100? 6, right? So cut 100 in half to get to 50, and cut the 6 in half to get the 3. Cut the 50 in half again and cut the 3 in half again, and you'll also know that 6% of 25 is 1.5.

    Which also lets you know that 6% of 75 is 4.5. the 3 from the 50, plus the 1.5 from the 25. or just know to split the difference between the 3 at 50 and the 6 at 100.

    A lot of math is just tricks for a thinking process.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    6% of 80. 1% of 80 is 0.8 0.8 * 6 is (8 * 6)/10 Which is 48/10 = 4.8

    80% of 6. I'd probably think of it as (4/5) * 6 = 24/5 Which is 20/5 + 4/5 = 4 + 4/5 = 4.8

    Both are easy if you know how to visualise it. The benefit of knowing you can "reverse" it is that you can choose which method is easier for you to visualise. Which is incredibly useful for a lot of people

    Edit: lemmy hates the * sign

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    It’s always as easy as multiplying the two numbers. Just convert the percentage to a decimal.

    0.06x80 is just as easy as 0.8x6. It’s just a matter of knowing 6x8 is 48, which quickly gets you to 4.8 here.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (22 children)
  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    So 50% of 50 is the same as 50% of 50. Both equal 5

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Both equal 5

    More like 5 of these

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

    0! is 0.

    Edit. I remembered wrong. Keeping it like this as it is funnier that way.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    factorials are mostly encountered in combinatorics, which is problems like, how many ways are there to put 3 objects of different colors in a row? well, the first can be any of the 3, the second can be either of the other 2, and the last is whichever 1 is left, so 3×2×1=3!=6

    so how many ways are there to put 0 objects in a row? well there's 1, it's this one:

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    that's why 0!=1

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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    taking x% is just multiplying by x/100, and multiplication is commutative. x% of y is just y×x×1/100, which is the same as x×y×1/100

    you can also ignore the % and divide by 100 at the end. for example, what's 5% of 5? that might take a minute to work out. what's 25/100? you instantly know it's 1/4

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    6% of 50

    6/100 * 50/1

    (6 * 50) / (100 * 1)

    (50 * 6) / (100 * 1)

    50/100 * 6/1

    50% of 6

    Works for multiplying any fraction, not just percents.

    2/3 of 5 is the same as 5/3 of 2.

    2/5 of 7/8 is the same as 7/5 of 2/8.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Everyone’s talking about this math. I’m wondering about the panzer.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    I was waiting in a car in front of a math tutoring building and was doing the math problems advertised on their window (as one does, of course) and the 7% of 250 is indeed probably easiest as 250% of 7, aka 2.5x7, which is 17.5.

    I did it a few other ways, though. 7% of 1000 is 70, then divide by 4 for 17.5. Well, more like, divide by 2 for 35 and again for 17.5, but yeah... mental math is fun.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wait, you think 0.07 * 250 is easier than 2.5 * 7?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Another counter-intuitive percentage fact: A 10 percent discount and a 10 percent fee can be calculated in either order but they don't cancel out.

    Example, 90% of (110% of 10) = 110% of (90% of 10). But neither of those is evaluates to 10. They evaluate to 9.9.

    For any percentage X, and any base value C, (100 - X)% x ((100 + X)% x C) = (100 + X)% x ((100 - X)% x C) = (100 - (X^2/100))% x C

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    True mathematics derives from established mathematical theory, not some farcical aquatic armored vehicle!

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh panzer of the lake, why am I still single?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Fuck. I had to calculate 4% of 7 a few minutes ago and didn’t know this. I say fuck because it wouldn’t have helped me anyway.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    4% x 7

    = 4% x 100 x 7 ÷ 100

    = 4 x 7 ÷ 100

    = 28 ÷ 100

    = 0.28

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    My brain was more like “Okay it’s just seven point-fours. So what’s seven fours? 28. What’s seven point-fours? 2.8. That can’t be right. Fuck. Get a calculator.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    I go for finding percentage factors.

    4%? That's just 1% * 4. 1% of 7 = 0.07 * 4 = 0.28

    14%? That's just 10% + 1% * 4 = 0.7 + 0.07 * 4 = 0.98

    You tell me it's decimal, then I'm gonna Decimal.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    I hate math so much.
    Thank you for this

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In either case I would multiply 5 by 6 and move the decimal. Interesting though.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    It was recently discovered that all AI everywhere was connected to the Panzer all along. /s

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Just always convert the percentage to a decimal, and it’s easy either way.

    0.06x50 is as easy as 0.5x6. They’re both just 5x6.

    All these comments like “What about 47% of 3.11?” Well, yeah, of course it’s harder to multiply two- and three-digit numbers than it is to multiply single-digit numbers.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    transitive and commutative

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Subtraction and division is a lie! Only addition and multiplication are the truth!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    and, of course, only natural numbers may be used, excluding zero

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Great for calculating tips!

    Let's see: the bill was $138.72, so I just need 138.72% of 20. And we can subtract 100% and just add the 20 back at the end, then convert the percentage to a decimal so (.3872 * 20) + 20 = 7.744 + 20 or $27.74.

    Easy!

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I prefer taking 10% and doubling it for a 20% tip.

    Take the total, moved the decimal one digit to the left, double it and round to the nearest dollar. I round up at the beginning and end as well which is either close enough or a dollar high if the change is small enough.

    $138.72 > 139 > 13.9 > 27.8 > $28

    Close enough!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I either do this, or mentally divide by 5 (how many 5s make this number?), only caring about the closest whole number - I prefer to tip in whole dollar amounts to make the math easy.

    Eg. $39.53 is about $40, 40 is 8 fives, so tip $8

    If the service wasn't great I round down instead of up.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I always just do 10% (easy because you move the decimal one place) and then either double that or add half of it to itself for a 15-20% tip.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    i just do 0. I feel like giving 20% more than agreed upon as default is crazy. I can not imagine employers giving 20% more wages just because i was doing my job? Why should i burn money?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I tip because I’ve been reliant on tips before, and I know that expecting someone who is working for tips to single-handedly solve tipping culture is unreasonable. I don’t believe in solutions that punish the poorest person in the equation, especially for a luxury like dining out.

    You can already eat at places that pay a real wage to servers if you don’t want to tip.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    How is 17% of 83.27 easier then 83.27% of 17?

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago

    Oddly, yes.

    Percentages also add together in partials. As in 10%+5%+2% = 17%

    So, you start with the 10% by moving the decimal over 83.27 becomes 8.327

    Then add half of that (5%) to its self and get 12.49 (rounded)

    Then take the 10% number and move the decimal over once more (1%) for 0.833 and double it (from 1% to 2%) and get 1.666 and add that to your running total to get your answer of 14.16 (rounding)

    And when I calculator check this I got 14.1559.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Let's try this on a sale item. Hmm, let's see, the sign says 25% off $6.99. So that's the same as, let's say, 7% off $25. Oh, yeah, that is much easier. /s

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wait...
    So 25% off $100... is 100% off $25! Trollface

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Thanks tanks!

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Panzer: Going tip to tip changes meaning the larger one of the participates is.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    To good of advice to be a shitpost

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is probably only useful when you’re finding percentages of 50 or 100.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    No way! 68% of 120 is 120% of 68, so drop the 100% now i just need to figure out 20% of 68 or do i need 68% of 20 which is really just 6 tens plus 8% so divide 20 by 10, then times 6 which is 12, now we need 8% of 20 which is just 20% of 8 or whichdies

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Holy shit you solved my life there

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