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[–] 206 points 5 months ago (58 children)

Since the 1980s, the watermelon has been an emblem of Palestinian solidarity,

I did not know that.

Is it common knowledge outside of political action circles?

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  • [–] 58 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Seems like the Streisand Effect is at play here. I never would have noticed a watermelon as a political symbol if they hadn't reacted this, i would just think it's a bit of whimsy. Now tons of people are reading about it

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Except the organization wasn't trying to stifle dissent. They were trying to avoid any poltics. How dare they. Politics is life.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Can't tell if you're being facetious or not but banning politics broadly from an event and then being selective regarding what is or is not considered political is a way of stifling dissent. Would they have kicked someone out for wearing a US flag pin? How about an Israeli flag? The watermelon pin is not a flag, but it's meant to represent the Palestinian flag because of the matching colors, so what if someone wore a blue and white pin representing the Israeli flag?

    Because anything could be considered political one way or another there is no way to ban politics from an event without imposing one's own political perspective on the attendees by selectively enforcing the ban.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I wasn't aware that "people have the right to exist" was political.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Hahahahah. Then you sir, madam, whstever are fucking dumb. Just like guy in the article, what it was just frut. Stfu. And before you go ohh ohh. I support Palestine but I also support people not wanting to est shit and breath it.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    As many said, it's common knowledge if you've been generally knowledgeable about the colonialism from the 80s and/or if you've been informed because of the current escalation of the genocide.

    Israel has had a "military rule" (administratively, judicially, and physically) over a good chunk of Palestinian lands since 1967 (other than what was colonized already). Under military rule law, even the Palestinian flag could put a child in administrative detention (prison with abuse) for an indeterminate amount of time (months to years).

    To circumvent the oppressive rule, Palestinians took up the watermelon πŸ‰ which has the green, black, red, and white of the Palestinian flag.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    the watermelon πŸ‰ which has the green, black, red, and white of the Palestinian flag.

    I wouldn't have made that connection either.

    I doubt I could recognize the flags of hundreds of countries, theirs included.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah, of course! And other countries share those same colours on their flag - it's not about the colours, but knowing about the oppression that's important; and it's never too late or wrong to learn and share!

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    but knowing about the oppression that's important

    I have been well aware of the oppression, the bullshit that the Israeli "settlers" are doing and much more.

    But I didn't know that the watermelon had been adopted as a symbol relevant to the issue.

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    It's not realistic to expect that everyone can know every single detail of every situation.

    I'm sure I know some details about certain situations that you haven't heard of, just the same as you probably know things that I have never been aware of.

    None of that is any reason to treat others as hostile enemies simply due to lack of exposure to certain details (as some people in this thread seem to want to do).

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    I would say it's well known among activists, and outside that community, it's only a little known. It's probably about on the level of sunflowers being used as a symbol for support of Ukraine. It's nowhere near as well-known as Winnie the Pooh being used as a symbol of protest against Xi Jinping.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I certainly didn't know that. I thought maybe they were a Saskatchewan Roughrider's Fan

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I heard this once a few years ago, said "really?", and then promptly forgot about it until now, where this was briefly new news to me again. Is this like, a very regional specific thing, or am I just out of some very big loops?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I'm actually kind of shocked how many people are saying they're unaware. Not judging, just surprised people haven't been exposed to it with everything going on over the last three years. Are you familiar with the yellow ribbon in association with Israel?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I'm not aware until this story either. For me, this is my only social media. I imagine a lot of people on lemmy aren't really plugged into a lot of places where you might learn that. I've also never heard of the yellow ribbon.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I am one of those remaining very unaware of these symbols. I read about issues, I vote where I can, I donate when I can. I talk to others and defend Palestine and it's people. I have for over 20 years now. But I guess I don't run in the circles where this would be something I learned.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Anyone with any knowledge of the middle east should be aware of it. The genocide has been going on for your entire lifetime. In fact there is no human alive today that was not alive during a period where zionists were not killing Palestinian children.

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  • [+] -13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Downvoted for poor sentence work. Fix that mess and I'll give you an upvote.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I'm trying to figure out what, at minimum, is missing, other than a single comma.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    Oh, it's not the punctuation so much as the, what, triple negative there in the last sentence.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Yes, provided you have been following the genocide. It's on par with the kufiyeh

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It's on par with the kufiyeh

    Another word I had to look up.

    I recognize the object, but didn't know it's name.

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    Something being common knowledge for some people doesn't automatically mean it is for everyone.

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Where have you been for the past three years?

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    I've been following it for years, and I've never once seen this mentioned.

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I seriously do not believe you. You literally can't go to an event in support of Palestine without seeing these; I haven't once this entire time. Your "following" seems to just be a passing awareness.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I've been personally against what Israel has been doing with Palestine since long before Oct 7th. I don't personally know anyone that's Palestinian or even Jewish for that matter, living in a fairly rural area. It's possible I do have some acquaintances through professional services but simply don't know their heritage. Whatever the case I never knew anything about the "watermelon" thing until today. TIL

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    You've been "personally against" it but like, haven't seen any activist footage or social media posts ever? Where watermelons are plastered everywhere? Sorry dude, this is a sign for you that you should be paying more attention.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah bro. Their support is totally useless if they don't know the secret symbols. Like how committed are they, right? /s

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    "Secret," Jesus christ, you guys are just helpless. /thatisntsarcasmpleaseunderstandmyjokeeveryoneitsveryimportanttometonotbepunishedforthinkingwrongwhenimjoking

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm sorry you were joking now? Cause it sure didn't come across that way in the multiple posts where you berated this person for supporting ostensibly the same cause.

    Also learn to use the spacebar.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, I'll use learn to use the space bar /sarcasmdoyouseethatimbeingsarcasticpleasedonotthinkihavethewrongthoughtsitsveryimportanttomethatiamnotevenmistakenasbadwhenimjusttryingtojoke

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    [–] 157 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Ge asked whether wearing a Pride flag would be disallowed if it made a homophobic person uncomfortable.

    β€œI don’t know if that’s the point of the discussion,” Farber said.

    Isn’t it though?

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  • [–] 64 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    β€œI don’t know if that’s the point of the discussion,” Farber said.

    It's not, but it is related to a far more important one.

    The current discussion is if a watermelon pin is appropriate attire for a professional. The larger, more important discussion is "What causes are appropriate for someone to publicly support?", and further "Who gets to decide what causes are approved?"

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Those are all born of the same unasked question: Why is admin so focused on continuing to undermine staff support of marginalized & vulnerable communities when that's exactly what hospitals are for!?

    Oh, right. The shareholders. πŸ–•πŸΌ

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  • [–] 60 points 5 months ago

    Here is laid bare, the infiltration of Israeli misinformation into Canada.

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  • [–] 56 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    There must be a genocidal maniac on the board.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    I have an autistic friend who loves watermelon and has watermelon socks, watermelon drinking glasses, watermelon everything. He wears his watermelon socks at work, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had watermelon pins.

    I would argue that the ban of watermelon imagery should be explained and it is definitely not clear for the general population.

    I just learned about this symbolism today, and I'm usually more aware than the average person.

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    [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    But he is allowed to wear blue socks?

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  • Now do lawyers.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Derth, derth to the IDF.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Wear a shirt or socks with watermelons on it. Are Farber and Berman Jewish?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Legit. All these people commenting like just cause morally you are right doesn't change the nonpolitical expectation. The more I read the article the more clearly it was this person was baiting them. That's fine way to make a statement but saying an organization is singling you out is a bit like being upset for getting hit in the face when you were the one that hit yourself.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    I guess Israel owns your country too

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  • [+] -15 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    I'd be uncomfortable if my physician was wearing a Star of David.

    Either both are correct, or both are incorrect.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)
    1. Israel is not Judaism, even though its fascist state claims ownership over it (did you think the Star of David is the same thing as the Israeli flag?)

    2. A star of David does not have the same meaning to it as the watermelon pin. One is a religious symbol, the other is a symbol of solidarity with a nation and people who have been fighting against genocide for a century that is abstracted from the Palestinian flag exactly because of how complacent our settler-colonial system is with that genocide.

    3. I reckon you haven't had to deal with medical professionals as a member of a vulnerable group, because there is a very wide range of political opinions that these people will openly express with impunity when it is consistent with hegemonic values. To start actually firing these fucks when one is criticizing genocide is hardly a principled choice.

    On top of all that, I'm fine with my doctors wearing fucking religious symbols because, guess what, they can simply not wear one and have their views effect their ability as physicians anyway. Restricting religious identity would be disproportionately enforced on vulnerable groups like Muslims again.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    What a nice comment up until that last part. Part of what allowed Europe to go from a shithole into what it is now (with all the bumps along the road of course) was telling Christians to go fuck themselves. Making 50% of the population suffer to please a religious minority is never a good deal.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Oh, it was the "telling Christians to go fuck themselves" was it? Not the centuries of brutal imperialistic extraction, or did you mean the past century where they had a hiccup before continuing their brutal imperialistic extraction?

    I don't suffer remotely from seeing peoples' religions, and I definitely do not benefit from letting the fucking genocidal Canadian state dictate what is and is not an appropriate religious symbol. Secularism isn't areligious in a culturally Christian state like Canada, it's just a rearticulation of settler-colonial notions of "objectivity" that conveniently privileges preexisting hegemonic values. Europeans worship capital the same way Canadians do.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I wouldn't be uncomfortable with either, you're here to be an expert on my body and as long as you're good at that idgaf about your opinions or beliefs... That said, I agree that consistency is better than inconsistency on these things

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I definitely care if my doctor is some anti-abortion, patriarchal Christian who votes Conservative, but I hardly doubt wearing a cross or not would indicate their inability to fulfill their role as a physician because of those values.

    Either way, a political criticism of genocide is not the same thing as a general religious symbol, so there's no consistency between these cases in the first place. Everything your doctor subscribes to is rooted in their politics, and a watermelon pin that shows solidarity with a nation currently victimized by genocide is like, a pretty bad starting point for this enforcement against political expression.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The radicals would not accept to remove their religious gear, that's part of the point.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    "Radicals" who? Hijabis? Orthodox Jewish men? They wouldn't be radical to refuse and it'd be difficult to write a law that applies to wearing a cross that wouldn't just overwhelmingly be enforced against groups whose religious symbols aren't optional.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I don't really care on that... If they either keep their professional life and work life separate, or it doesn't affect it, then that's fine by me.

    If they're anti-abortion and they work in an abortion-adjacent field, they're not going to be that great of a doctor in that field. If they're anti-abortion and are a specialist in ligament surgery, then what does it matter to me? If I'm just here to get my knee fixed as soon as possible then their opinion doesn't come into it, even if their opinion is disgusting to me, and they have a keyring, sticker or pin, I'm not endorsing or supporting it by interacting with them, and while I'd usually support boycotting, it's just not in my interest in that situation.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's honestly so bewildering to see so many people just openly admit to not understanding what is wrong with being anti-choice. It isn't because it's "disgusting" it's because it is harmful and it is harmful in a way that is specifically dependent on dehumanizing women. There isn't a person who is anti-choice who also has a fundamental respect for human life in dignity, these two things are incompatible.

    So, yes, whether or not your doctor is capable of authentic empathy is actually pretty crucial to their ability to perform as a healthcare practitioner. Beyond just the reality that they're more likely to discount your pain and suffering due to this, they're also statistically more likely to actually intentionally harm groups of people they view as less than human (racism, sexism, transphobia, ableism, fatphobia). You seem to think the issue is that being anti-choice somehow indicates a skill-level for these tasks, that is an incredible lapse in empathy yourself there bud.

    It is not an opinion to be anti-choice, it is a decision that shows your fundamental values and lack of moral grounding, which yes, makes you ill-qualified for any job where you have power over vulnerable people. Period.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Like I said, I think it's going to be very hard for an anti-choice doctor to be good at performing abortions, which is why I said about them actually being good at their job. If they're here to give me a knee replacement then it doesn't really come into it, so I can look past that if it means the operation will be done to a higher standard. It doesn't matter if they view me the same as a mechanic fixing a car, or a plasterer patching cracks, it just matters that they have the skills to do the surgery.

    If I had the option, I'd go somewhere else, but when it comes to medical needs that isn't always the case, so it may well better to just close your eyes, bite your tongue, and ignore it, horrible as that is.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Which doctor though? The one you see every now and then to discuss your health trends and medication needs, or the one that's straddling you on a gurney giving you CPR while you're being rushed from an ambulance to an OR?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    That'd be EMS.

    If the argument is meant to be, "you wouldn't care if they were saving your life," then you don't seem to really understand why I wouldn't want a bigoted doctor that wants me genocided. This mentality is fundamently incompatible with empathy as it requires the selective dehumanization of particular groups for one's own material benefit; the suspension of empathy. Yes, I want my fucking paramedic to have a sense of empathy and I do believe that quality is crucial in order for them to perform their job effectively. Just like how I'd be endangered by a family physician neglecting my needs due to bigotry, I wouldn't even be a statistical anomaly if my paramedic treated me differently because of bigotry and I fucking died for no good reason.

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