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[–] 141 points 5 months ago* (29 children)

Meta is doing the exact same thing:

Mark Zuckerberg's social media giant will reportedly hand out roughly 8,000 pink slips on Wednesday, May 20, eliminating about 10% of its global workforce. Notably, though, these cuts will arrive on the heels of one of the most lucrative quarters in the company's history: $56.31 billion in revenue and $26.8 billion in net income for the first three months of 2026...

https://moneywise.com/news/top-stories/meta-layoffs-8000-workers-zuckerberg-ai-spending

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  • [–] 132 points 5 months ago (27 children)

    Slashing 10% of your workforce annually is something Jack Welch thought of when he was CEO of General Electric; essentially it shifts that 10% of staff overhead cost straight to profits per year.

    The justification they give for the figure is that it's the lowest performing 10% according to internal key performance indicator (KPI) metrics. What this effectively does is two fold:

    1. Anyone who's focusing on delivering stuff the company needs long term isn't always or sometimes never will produce nice neat KPIs that can be measured along with the rest of the company. This means these people are under constant pressure and can often get swept up in the firings.

    2. It makes KPIs, a measuring tool, the target which as any statistician will tell you that when you make the measurement a target it ceases to be a good measuring tool. Because everyone is automatically incentivised to deliver KPIs NOT the actual company deliverables that generate the added value and therefore the profit.

    This means after 5 to 10 years of this cycle all that's left of the company's institutional knowledge is how to deliver for KPIs and the sycophants who best adapt to this reality. You get a hollowing out of the company.

    If this AI fuelled trend keeps up then companies like Cisco and Meta will eventually implode at some point.

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  • [–] 68 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I remember the grocery store I worked at started posting the rate for each cashier of items scanned per minute logged into a register. They didn’t say anything about it, but I now realize they were probably leading into using that data as justification for something.

    My dumbass 16 year old self thought “I’m going to get that number so high it breaks the system.” I would lock my station after the previous customer, and take a little time to face all of the UPC codes and look up produce codes and make a general strategy. Then, I would unlock the register, scan like a madman, then lock it and casually start bagging. The customers would get concerned they needed to hurry up based on my fervor, so I would tell them “Take all the time you need, see that show yesterday?”

    Next time they posted the rankings, my number was 20x as high as second place. After a few weeks of getting my number a little higher each time, my boss’ boss came by and told me to knock it off since I was polluting their metrics. Next week no new rankings.

    I like to think I inadvertently helped prevent KPI nonsense.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    The grocery store I worked for, over 20 years ago, did something similar, with similar results. All it did was incentivize locking and unlocking the register as optimally as possible. They also tracked how often and when in the transaction you scanned the customer's loyalty card. It was to the point that basically cashiers who wanted to optimize their numbers wouldn't unlock the register until the customer had their loyalty card in hand.

    This is the same grocery store chain that almost failed completely due to a impossible sales requirements in their meat department leading to redating meat and bleaching chicken to increase its shelf life. The company claims they never asked any of their meat departments to do anything like that, they just set impossible standards and held people accountable unless they were able to find a way to cheat.

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think we are already seeing that with Microsoft. Another 2-3 rounds of AI and they forget how to build windows.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    It also fosters a culture of non-cooperation with colleagues (because they are now your competition), where workers and teams try to sabotage each other, or at least not help, and throw each other under the bus. So there's mutual mistrust too. And no one wants to take a risk and innovate, leading to further stagnation.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The justification they give for the figure is that it’s the lowest performing 10% according to internal key performance indicator (KPI) metrics

    The thing is, that's not what layoffs are supposed to be. That's effectively firing someone for cause. Maybe in America the difference doesn't matter, but in the civilised world, at least in theory, it does. But in reality they can somehow get away with this and call it "layoffs".

    If a company does layoffs, they should not be allowed to hire any staff in the same or similar roles for 12 months.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    If a company does layoffs, they should not be allowed to hire any staff in the same or similar roles for 12 months.

    Either that, or the laid-off workers should get right of first refusal for the positions. (Along with some additional incentive for the company not to game it.)

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    If a company does layoffs, they should not be allowed to hire any staff in the same or similar roles for 12 months.

    The workload doesn't decrease, it just gets spread to the remaining workers who are already overloaded because of the previous round of layoffs...

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    With Meta it very much looks like overhiring. What are those 8000 workers even doing, designing CSS for each individual ad on Facebook?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yup. Not all value is easily and directly measurable. Trying to overmanage and only value measurable factors is incredibly counterproductive. But hey, that makes the stock price go up. So who cares about anything else.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    This means after 5 to 10 years of this cycle all that's left of the company's institutional knowledge is how to deliver for KPIs and the sycophants who best adapt to this reality. You get a hollowing out of the company.

    That happened (and continues to happen) to my former employer.

    After years of layoffs and outsourcing, the company doesn't have anyone on staff anymore who knows how half of the systems work.

    Theae days, if something is more than 5 years old, the operations and maintenance staff (entirely outsourced contractors now) have to pray the documentation is correct (or even obtainable) if they have a hope of fixing it if anything breaks.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My experience is nowadays documentation is even going to go away, as the answer to fixing things is more and more going to be "get Claude to fix it"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    the answer to fixing things is more and more going to be "get Claude to fix it"

    Yeah that will certainly work (eyeroll) to deal with things that were done 10 years ago as a workaround to some other undocumented incompatibility.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I actually think a few % a year is healthy (1% feels right to me). I work at a company where we never lay anyone off and it’s led to a bunch of deadweight in the company that make work harder for everyone else. You gotta have some mechanism to let low performers go.

    10% is way too high though

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    You gotta have some mechanism to let low performers go.

    That's called "firing for cause."

    Of course, that actually has accountability attached to it. Misusing layoffs for that purpose is an end-run around that accountability, which is why sociopathic corporations prefer it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    “For cause” at my company is gross malfeasance, not merely performing well below expectations. It’s the employer again putting themselves first: problematic employees are “harder” to get rid of than the status quo of letting them stick around indefinitely. Sucks for everyone else who has to work with them. Every company should cull a small number of people every year.

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  • [–] 61 points 5 months ago*

    Me, after firing the Cisco CEO: We just made $53 million in revenue!

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Can't be expecting the peasants to share in the success of their hard work! Better to fire them and rehire them for cheaper when they are desperate.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It’s an interesting case for leftists because there is no means of production to be seized. Nothing needed to create websites or apps is hard to get or proprietary. If anything, the means of production is capital itself, because only by paying people can you direct a lot of them to spend time on any particular thing. I wonder if communism has already addressed this case somewhere. I’m hardly educated on the topic.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    In some countries, this is illegal.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    What countries? This is capitalism baby, only way to stop it is to have a union strong enough to fuck Up that record profit if the CEO even jokes a out layoffs.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Japan. Layoffs are extremely difficult to pull off there. You have to show poor performance by the individual involved, and the standards for that are very rigorous. The government knows that unemployed people immediately become their problem, so they just demand that if a corporation wants to employ someone, they have to be willing to enter into that in an open ended arrangement. So unions aren’t the only way.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm curious how it's considered a "layoff" if it's based on performance rather than the job itself being eliminated.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    It’s not.

    What I meant was you can dismiss people for poor performance, but that’s the only valid reason. You cannot lay people off in Japan in the sense of “we cut the budget and decided we don’t want to employ you anymore.”

    However, that said… if you want to lay someone off, you can jump through a million hoops. I have seen people relegated to ridiculously inappropriate roles to convince them to leave. You can also mess with non-salary compensation if you want. And you can offer generous severance. And maybe you can convince people to let you “lay them off.”

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    The stock market is a weird thing - prices seem to be tied to whether a company can make more this quarter than last quarter, and not tethered to whether a company makes a profit. I figure that they made record revenue and now need a strategy to make even more profit next quarter, which they hope to achieve by reducing expenses via layoffs.

    I don’t like it, but the economy is more tethered to speculation than reality.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    One of the biggest (official) recession indicators, is whether or not the public thinks we're in a recession.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This will continue to happen until sociopath executives see consequences.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    my god we have so many layoffs this year.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    we have so many layoffs this year.

    And the year isn't even half over yet.

    Just wait until the full impact of Trump's bullshit works its way through the economy.

    The carnage will be felt for a decade or more.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I know someone who worked a weekend event to show case a product and they did extremely well going nearly 15k in sales. They made $50 for the few hours it took to generate that. The amount of effort to prepare for this, drive there, waste weekend hours working is not worth $50. Especially with how much gas is. I don't understand why people don't just say no.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    $50 sounds like a ridiculous commission under any circumstances. There are more numbers that we need before we can really judge the situation though. It’s not like $50 went to your friend and $14,950 went to their boss’s pocket. Surely there’s a cost to manufacture whatever it is being sold. Still, there’s no way that 0.3% is a reasonable sales commission.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They don't get paid commission. Since people continue to work for companies like this and are OK being paid so little, nothing will change.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I worked in customer support/sales for the largest ISP in my country. We were always understaffed because it was a shit job, so the turnover was high. We were forced to sign overtime, weekends and holidays included. I'll never forget this middle management asshole who enthusiastically attempted to convince me it's totally worth it. He does it, too, and he's always happy to see higher paycheck. At the end of the month that overtime amounted to ~€15-20 for me. Yeah, fun times. I was thrilled to kiss that job and its abusive management goodbye.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago

    American Capitalism 101. Sacrifice future growth for immediate profits.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    The usual self-cannibalism game.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    You better thank the Job Creators for the right to work, Serfs! Now go gratefully into the gig economy, singing the praises of Tr*mp.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    Well if you don't have to pay people then yah, revenue will go up for now.

    Collect your bonus, get your stock, bail and move to the next job. Sell the stock before the damage you caused rears its head.

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    Just ban or heavily tax stocks.

    Oh, billionaire just used stocks as collateral for his loan? 30% tax

    Selling or buying stock? 20% tax

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Bring back pensions first then

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    401Ks have replaced pensions for most Americans.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    No idea what that is. Sounds like it belongs with WH40K

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    So they used to have pensions for most private workers, then they went to 401Ks which are self managed market based retirement funds.

    1. The company has a management agreement with a brokerage (i.e. Fidelity) to manage the accounts and they pick which funds you can invest in.
    2. You allocate how much you contribute, up to the IRS max.
    3. Many companies give matching funds which means you get a 100% return on that amount right out of the gate.
    4. In good years you can do very well, far beyond what pensions would've given.
    5. The money is pre tax so you lower your income for tax purposes during your peak earning years.
    6. You can still save and invest anyway you want in addition to this (i.e. IRA). You can still collect social security.

    Downside...

    1. You are limited in investments
    2. You are not guaranteed returns since you are at the mercy of the bond and equities (stock) market. You can lose money in bad years.
    3. You must pay income tax on it when you start taking distributions from it in retirement. The minimum mandatory distribution amount could push you into a higher tax bracket.

    The big push away from pensions to 401Ks and IRAs means the market has become the main retirement savings for most Americans. Wall St and financial institutions love them because it pumped trillions of $ into the market and profits in fees into the financial firms. Companies no longer had to manage pensions and guarantee returns. Most gov jobs still have pensions.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Most of their profits are paid out to shareholders, like last year, and the year before that. Nobody should expect anything better from any capitalist corporation.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    “Correlation.”

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    dont work hard for companys, better they do more likely you will get laid off with everyone else. Might happen anyway, but if they dont do well they might think they actually need people to do work.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Line go up!!!

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    What is the logical progression to this kind of a thing. Is there going to be a turning point or is bottom a long long way to go?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I’m just brainstorming here, but do layoffs pave the way for hiring new grads at entry level wages, with more cutting edge knowledge?

    Sure, that overlooks the loss of tacit knowledge that keeps the company running. I haven’t actually figured out yet how large companies can keep packaging out their senior employees that glue their disorganized systems together with undocumented knowledge.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    You guys, all those employees contributing to their huge profits were actually a liability and now they'll be so much more efficient.

    /s because people take sarcasm literally

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Cisco can take their campus fabrics/DNA and shove it up their arse. They stopped trying a long time ago and IOS is still a pain to use.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    We converted our medium-sized network to Ubiquity a couple years ago, everyone who has ever had to touch a config or deal with paying for updates is absolutely giddy.

    It's nowhere near perfect, but lightyears better than dealing with Cisco's bullshit.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Fucking suits.

    Shit like this is why I had to learn the trades as backup while I was still in the game, in this case training to be a computer technician.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    LINE GO UP ALWAYS AND FOREVER!

    As long as you don't look at all the other lines.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Same shit happened the last time Cisco laid off a bunch of people.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Part of me is glad I'm getting the hell out of this system in the near future. My heart goes out to younger people being royally screwed by it and I don't see any way out of it within that system.

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