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[–] 69 points 6 months ago (12 children)

I will be locking this issue to avoid non-core developers spamming with the same walls of texts about the project name.

Bruno is a very wise man.

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  • [+] 21 points 6 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    A man can be wise and still propose a name that some people don't like. The reason why this man is wise is, he knows what would happen and is wise enough to limit / lock the thread before it happens.

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  • [+] 16 points 6 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Your opinion is one of many. For some the name does not matter, for others GIMP is worse than WLBR. I don't care what the name is. To me the person Bruno was wise to lock it, because he knew non contributor would spam with their opinion and with history. That is the mark of a wise man. This is my point, not how many people like or dislike the new name. That's not the point I am making.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I agree. WLBR is the most horrible name ever. Also it reminds me of the WNBR, which is the World Naked Bike Ride... not safe for work either.

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  • [–] 61 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    It took me reading the comments here to get that it's pronounced Wilbur. I don't get why it needs to be an acronym

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    As in the pig from Charlotte's Web?

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    I suppose so. I'd rather they spell it out for simple readability. Like I don't know what Krita means but easy to read. Kate text editor may mean something, I don't know. Kdenlive is easy to read. Don't know what the 'den' part is supposed to mean

    Apparently it's "KDE Non-Linear Video Editor". At least kdenlive is easy to read in my opinion

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    I mean corporate names aren't better meaning wise, they just have WAY more marketing behind them so they sound natural by virtue of being in your face until you capitulate.

    What does 10^100 have to do with search engines? Also they spelled it wrong.

    What does the biggest rainforest in the world have to do with shopping?

    What do slight muscle spasms have to do with streaming?

    What does a fruit have to do with shitty locked down phones and computers?

    What does a colloquial superlative prefix have to do with taxis and food delivery?

    What does the sound of a clock have to do with short videos? And before that it was a plant structure.

    What does a reflective finish/coating have to do with web browsing?

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  • [–] 99 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    From a name you don’t want to say to a name you can’t say

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    SFDC, IBM, ADP, KKR MYOB are all similarly unpronouncable as singular words.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I've heard of one of these, and IBM has history, brand recognition and rolls off the tongue better.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    sfdc (Salesforce dot com) is one of the biggest CRMs in the world and pretty much runs every sales department out there, adp (automatic data processing) is one of the biggest payroll systems in the world.

    it's highly likely you've interacted with either or both but maybe in a white-labelled way (e.g. all of Carmax's computer systems run entirely off Salesforce)

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I've heard of and professionally used salesforce, and never heard of it referred as SFDC

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    oh interesting - I've worked at 4 companies in 10 years, they all called it that.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    same here, but we called it salesforce.

    and absolutely everything related to it was called that: salesforce support team == salesforce

    salesforce cloud == salesforce

    salesforce time share seminar == salesforce

    guy who used to work at saleseforce == salesforce.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Wait Salesforce has an acroynm?

    Everyone I know who's ever used it just says/writes 'Salesforce.'

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    adp (automatic data processing) is one of the biggest payroll systems in the world.

    i always wondered what adp meant; i just assumed it was initials of the rich guys who create it. lol

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  • [–] 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Since it's called the GNU Image Manipulation Program, why not pick up the extremely low hanging fruit and call it GNU Imp? It also comes with a free mascot.

    Edit: And given that Wilber already has a cheeky smile and two horn-like ears, it wouldn't even be that much of a new mascot either. I mean come on people, do I have to think of everything around here?

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago

    And here I was worried they would pick another terrible name.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago

    Sooo, basically they're changing the name that's somewhat bad in English to the name that's terrible in all languages? Huh.

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (22 children)

    Where are people getting that this is a rebrand?

    It's just an environment variable you can set that changes the name if it offends you.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Also tbh, if it does the same things as before, they could call it POOP, and I'd still use it. The name has no bearing on how it functions.

    Who is really out here getting bent out of shape over a name?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Also tbh, if it does the same things as before, they could call it POOP, and I'd still use it. The name has no bearing on how it functions.

    That sounds like an argument against the name change…

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    No, I vote they change it to be just an unpronounceable symbol. You know, kind of like the artist formerly known as Prince.

    It's a lot harder to complain about a name change if it's not a name!

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    For now. It seems like obvious water-testing.

    And even if it isn't, giving "users" (read: corporate middle managers never actually using the app) the "option" of the "name" "not being" "naughty".

    These all "these" are "concepts" GIMP can do without.

    The name is what it is. You didn't make the app, you don't set the name. Simple as.

    And to the makers/maintainers:

    Is throwing old and loyal users under the bus worth it?

    The conspiracy theorist in me can see this being the start of the end of GIMP. It wouldn't be the first or the last FOSS project to "fall from grace".

    I'm not saying it will - I don't want to do a detailed study of GIMP lore and current politics, but the simple act of potentially enabling a rename in the future is a GIANT FUCKING RED FLAG in my book.

    Even with good intentions, it "enables" a "later" "usurpation".

    It's like deliberately cutting yourself in the middle of pirrhana-infested pool.

    The wound's not deep. It isn't dangerous. Nor do the pirrhanas notice right away.

    But when they do... You'll be lucky to just lose the leg you cut.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Lmao, imagine being so fragile that a name offends you.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    As a gimp myself, I agree that being offended is pretty far-fetched. But I can definitely envision a scenario in which someone would rather not be reminded of that word every time they open their image editor. Disability is traumatic and people can be absolutely horrible.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    it has been used as a slur for disabled people.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I've literally never heard that before. Is that common in your experience?

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Why not just Wilber? Just like the mascot.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The Linux community can't let an opportunity for an acronym to go to waste. Even more so for a backronym.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    Perhaps 'WiLBeR' would be a compromise?

    Its ... basically following what I'm going to call 'GLaDOS case' rules.

    ???

    Just sort of seems closer to the kind of silly spellings of robot names in a fair deal of movies and such?

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago

    Years of jokes, wasted.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Hear me out.. Everything doesn't have to be an acronym.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Is WLBR supposed to be an abbreviation for something? I realize it is a reference to the mascot Wilber, but apart from that?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    WNBR stands for World Naked Bike Ride, so it must be something similar!

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  • [+] -9 points 6 months ago

    If we're going to wildly speculate, hey, isn't this what we have AI for nowadays?

    I asked ChatGPT: "give me ideas what the abbreviation WLBR might stand for if that is the name of a piece of image editing software". Here's the result:

    🧠 Professional / technical-sounding

    • Wide Layer Blending & Rendering
    • Workflow Layer-Based Retoucher
    • Weighted Light Balance Renderer
    • Wavelet-Based Light & Blur Reconstruction
    • White-Level Balance & Retouch

    🎨 Creative / artistic branding

    • We Love Better Retouching
    • Wild Light & Bold Retouch
    • Wavelength Brush
    • Wonder Lens: Blur & Refine
    • Whitelight Brush

    ⚡ Modern / software-product style

    • WizLayer Build & Render
    • WarpLab: Blend & Refine
    • Web-Level Bitmap Renderer
    • Workflow Lens & Brush Renderer
    • WLB Renderer (treat WLBR as a stylized acronym)

    🧩 Slightly abstract (like many real apps)

    • Wavelength-Based Rasterizer
    • Layered Bitmask Refinement
    • Light Balance Reconstruction Engine
    • Wideband Luminosity Brush & Retouch

    🧠 If you want it to feel like real software naming

    Most image tools (like Photoshop, GIMP, etc.) don’t strictly spell out acronyms anymore—they use:

    • suggestive tech words (Layer, Light, Render, Brush)
    • or abstract brand terms

    So something like:

    WLBR = “WaveLight Brush & Render”

    feels believable without being overly literal.

    (end of ChatGPT response)

    Out of these, I think "Workflow Layer-Based Retoucher" works best. But interesting that ChatGPT thinks "GIMP" doesn't "strictly spell out" an acronym anymore, or that "Photoshop" ever did?!

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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    Wilbur didn't want food, he wanted love.

    E.B. White, Charlotte’s Web

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    I can understand the desire to change it given that the current name is arguably a slur in some contexts, but this is a terrible new name. There was a fork awhile back with this same motivation called "Glimpse" - I really think they should have chosen a name with some continuity from the original, and certainly not what looks to be an initialism (I never would have come to "Wilbur" on my own).

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    I also would not have come to Wilbur on my own. Gimp is a weird name, but at least it's pronouncable. Glimpse sounds great to me tbh. A nod to GIMP, but also a sensical name.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Call it GINP.... GINP Is Not Photoshop

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    This is the potentially most 'linux canon accurate' name possible, which amuses me greatly, but its also essentially the worst name possible for... normal human people that might use the software, lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Glimpse makes a fuckton of sense, imo.

    Its sorta kinda close to the old name, it conveys the concept of imagery, and its also really easy to read and say.

    Like shit, I figured out just by playing team based shooters with voicecomms, that you want a username thats distinct, can be said in ideally one or two syllables.

    When you're naming a product, yeah, having it be lingustically connected to the thing that it does, there yeah go, much better than 'Squoombly' or whatever.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    WLBR was the local radio station from my home town in PA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLBR

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    There will be a C&D from them. You really shouldn’t use a radio station’s calling as your product name. This will not end well.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Everyone misunderstands Trademark Law, they can only sue if they can prove that it would result in confusion because they provide the same or similar services.

    Otherwise it's not a legal case that can be made.

    So sure, they could sue them if WLBR starts making a radio show or podcasts, otherwise they have no legal standing to try it

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    C&D only, if they are in the same space. The radio station is completely unrelated to a computer programs name. Also is the name trademarked? And the radio station is not world wide known either. I doubt there will be any Cease and Desist from either sides. But I can be wrong off course, which is very unlekely (great typo I leave it there).

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