I will be locking this issue to avoid non-core developers spamming with the same walls of texts about the project name.
Bruno is a very wise man.
I will be locking this issue to avoid non-core developers spamming with the same walls of texts about the project name.
Bruno is a very wise man.
It took me reading the comments here to get that it's pronounced Wilbur. I don't get why it needs to be an acronym
It's not open source unless the package name is a scabby dumpster fire.
As in the pig from Charlotte's Web?
I suppose so. I'd rather they spell it out for simple readability. Like I don't know what Krita means but easy to read. Kate text editor may mean something, I don't know. Kdenlive is easy to read. Don't know what the 'den' part is supposed to mean
Apparently it's "KDE Non-Linear Video Editor". At least kdenlive is easy to read in my opinion
Krita means crayon in Swedish. Also "Rita" means to draw, so the name is well fitting for us.
And that's exactly why it's called Krita. Also it was previously called 'Krayon', so they just kind of kept the name.
I mean corporate names aren't better meaning wise, they just have WAY more marketing behind them so they sound natural by virtue of being in your face until you capitulate.
What does 10^100 have to do with search engines? Also they spelled it wrong.
What does the biggest rainforest in the world have to do with shopping?
What do slight muscle spasms have to do with streaming?
What does a fruit have to do with shitty locked down phones and computers?
What does a colloquial superlative prefix have to do with taxis and food delivery?
What does the sound of a clock have to do with short videos? And before that it was a plant structure.
What does a reflective finish/coating have to do with web browsing?
One of the Wright brothers maybe? Still has nothing to do with image editing though.
From a name you don’t want to say to a name you can’t say
SFDC, IBM, ADP, KKR MYOB are all similarly unpronouncable as singular words.
I've heard of one of these, and IBM has history, brand recognition and rolls off the tongue better.
sfdc (Salesforce dot com) is one of the biggest CRMs in the world and pretty much runs every sales department out there, adp (automatic data processing) is one of the biggest payroll systems in the world.
it's highly likely you've interacted with either or both but maybe in a white-labelled way (e.g. all of Carmax's computer systems run entirely off Salesforce)
I've heard of and professionally used salesforce, and never heard of it referred as SFDC
oh interesting - I've worked at 4 companies in 10 years, they all called it that.
same here, but we called it salesforce.
and absolutely everything related to it was called that: salesforce support team == salesforce
salesforce cloud == salesforce
salesforce time share seminar == salesforce
guy who used to work at saleseforce == salesforce.
Wait Salesforce has an acroynm?
Everyone I know who's ever used it just says/writes 'Salesforce.'
adp (automatic data processing) is one of the biggest payroll systems in the world.
i always wondered what adp meant; i just assumed it was initials of the rich guys who create it. lol
I propose: WHARGRBL
Since it's called the GNU Image Manipulation Program, why not pick up the extremely low hanging fruit and call it GNU Imp? It also comes with a free mascot.
Edit: And given that Wilber already has a cheeky smile and two horn-like ears, it wouldn't even be that much of a new mascot either. I mean come on people, do I have to think of everything around here?
Sooo, basically they're changing the name that's somewhat bad in English to the name that's terrible in all languages? Huh.
Where are people getting that this is a rebrand?
It's just an environment variable you can set that changes the name if it offends you.
Also tbh, if it does the same things as before, they could call it POOP, and I'd still use it. The name has no bearing on how it functions.
Who is really out here getting bent out of shape over a name?
Software needs users to fund development and most users find the software via word of mouth and there's no way I'm telling a friend that they should try POOP for their next art project
Also tbh, if it does the same things as before, they could call it POOP, and I'd still use it. The name has no bearing on how it functions.
That sounds like an argument against the name change…
First time on Lemmy?
For now. It seems like obvious water-testing.
And even if it isn't, giving "users" (read: corporate middle managers never actually using the app) the "option" of the "name" "not being" "naughty".
These all "these" are "concepts" GIMP can do without.
The name is what it is. You didn't make the app, you don't set the name. Simple as.
And to the makers/maintainers:
Is throwing old and loyal users under the bus worth it?
The conspiracy theorist in me can see this being the start of the end of GIMP. It wouldn't be the first or the last FOSS project to "fall from grace".
I'm not saying it will - I don't want to do a detailed study of GIMP lore and current politics, but the simple act of potentially enabling a rename in the future is a GIANT FUCKING RED FLAG in my book.
Even with good intentions, it "enables" a "later" "usurpation".
It's like deliberately cutting yourself in the middle of pirrhana-infested pool.
The wound's not deep. It isn't dangerous. Nor do the pirrhanas notice right away.
But when they do... You'll be lucky to just lose the leg you cut.
Lmao, imagine being so fragile that a name offends you.
As a gimp myself, I agree that being offended is pretty far-fetched. But I can definitely envision a scenario in which someone would rather not be reminded of that word every time they open their image editor. Disability is traumatic and people can be absolutely horrible.
it has been used as a slur for disabled people.
I've literally never heard that before. Is that common in your experience?
At this point everything has been used as as slur
Why not just Wilber? Just like the mascot.
The Linux community can't let an opportunity for an acronym to go to waste. Even more so for a backronym.
Could have had the recursive acronym KINGIMP (KINGIMP Is Not GIMP) smdh
Perhaps 'WiLBeR' would be a compromise?
Its ... basically following what I'm going to call 'GLaDOS case' rules.
???
Just sort of seems closer to the kind of silly spellings of robot names in a fair deal of movies and such?
It's not the new name but an alternative. I guess it will have to fit where GIMP does, so it's better to have the same amount of letters.
Hear me out.. Everything doesn't have to be an acronym.
Is WLBR supposed to be an abbreviation for something? I realize it is a reference to the mascot Wilber, but apart from that?
WNBR stands for World Naked Bike Ride, so it must be something similar!
If we're going to wildly speculate, hey, isn't this what we have AI for nowadays?
I asked ChatGPT: "give me ideas what the abbreviation WLBR might stand for if that is the name of a piece of image editing software". Here's the result:
Most image tools (like Photoshop, GIMP, etc.) don’t strictly spell out acronyms anymore—they use:
So something like:
WLBR = “WaveLight Brush & Render”
feels believable without being overly literal.
(end of ChatGPT response)
Out of these, I think "Workflow Layer-Based Retoucher" works best. But interesting that ChatGPT thinks "GIMP" doesn't "strictly spell out" an acronym anymore, or that "Photoshop" ever did?!
I have been trying to figure that out too and I can’t find anything anywhere. I think I will just keep calling it GIMP.
Wiiiilllbuuuuur
I can understand the desire to change it given that the current name is arguably a slur in some contexts, but this is a terrible new name. There was a fork awhile back with this same motivation called "Glimpse" - I really think they should have chosen a name with some continuity from the original, and certainly not what looks to be an initialism (I never would have come to "Wilbur" on my own).
I also would not have come to Wilbur on my own. Gimp is a weird name, but at least it's pronouncable. Glimpse sounds great to me tbh. A nod to GIMP, but also a sensical name.
Call it GINP.... GINP Is Not Photoshop
This is the potentially most 'linux canon accurate' name possible, which amuses me greatly, but its also essentially the worst name possible for... normal human people that might use the software, lol.
Wlbr is a weird name but Wilbur would be fine.
Edit. Gimp mascot is apparently named Wilber
Glimpse makes a fuckton of sense, imo.
Its sorta kinda close to the old name, it conveys the concept of imagery, and its also really easy to read and say.
Like shit, I figured out just by playing team based shooters with voicecomms, that you want a username thats distinct, can be said in ideally one or two syllables.
When you're naming a product, yeah, having it be lingustically connected to the thing that it does, there yeah go, much better than 'Squoombly' or whatever.
WLBR was the local radio station from my home town in PA.
There will be a C&D from them. You really shouldn’t use a radio station’s calling as your product name. This will not end well.
Everyone misunderstands Trademark Law, they can only sue if they can prove that it would result in confusion because they provide the same or similar services.
Otherwise it's not a legal case that can be made.
So sure, they could sue them if WLBR starts making a radio show or podcasts, otherwise they have no legal standing to try it
C&D only, if they are in the same space. The radio station is completely unrelated to a computer programs name. Also is the name trademarked? And the radio station is not world wide known either. I doubt there will be any Cease and Desist from either sides. But I can be wrong off course, which is very unlekely (great typo I leave it there).
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