Honest to gods, this conversation happened today, and it may have cost me a job opportunity. The customer was super impressed with my menu design and animation, and wanted to know who we got it from. When I said I did it, their face lit up! Too bad as soon as i said GIMP, they weren't interested anymore. Has anyone else experienced this? What do you say in similar situations?

Picture of post from my Bluesky of a convo between me and a customer... {Convo between me and a customer today: "neat menu, i really like it."  "thanks, I made it." -me "Really? How?" "I used Gim... and an online program, Canva to animate it." "Im sorry, Gim?" "Umm, GIMP. It stand for GNU Image Manip..." "GIMP?? Like the suit?" "No, not like the suit."  why, gimp dev!? }

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[–] 105 points 9 months ago* (21 children)

It's funny, because I'm not a native speaker and Gimp means.. well.. this software. I only learned what it meant years later.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    From Wiktionary:

    • A person who is lame due to a crippling of the legs or feet.

    • (slang, derogatory) A name-calling word, generally for a person who is perceived to be inept, deficient or peculiar.

    • (BDSM) A submissive dressed in a full-body suit of latex or a similar material.

    I'm vaguely sure the first two meanings above appeared earlier. Perhaps the name was taken as a nod to ‘geek’ and ‘dweeb’, which were slurs for programmers back before the profession became mainstream. Edit: apparently not: "The software was originally named the General Image Manipulation Program. Kimball and Mattis formed the acronym GIMP by adding the letter G to '-IMP,' inspired by a reference to 'the gimp' in the 1994 film Pulp Fiction."

    Somewhat relatedly, Torvalds called his versioning software ‘git’, which is also a derogatory term, a British-specific one at that. (And the original name of Linux was 'Freax'.)

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  • [+] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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    Merriam has the definition I knew it by before I saw Pulp Fiction, which is a synonym for limp. I think I was also vaguely aware it was an offensive word for someone disabled.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    How did you learn it? Did you maybe grow up in an English speaking community

    Yeah I'm a native speaker and read a ton as a kid, and then ended up being a lit major, so I guess my idea of what words are normal could be somewhat skewed. But I think that one I probably heard it from my dad.

    Looks like the gimp usage peaked in the 1860s, at least in books.

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  • [+] 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Just pronounce it "JIMP" and watch the .gif pronounciation debate light up once again!

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The G stands for GNU so maybe it’s NIMP or IMP

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago*

    And then along came Microsoft with the Zune and decided to have like this neat Nearby Share feature so you could like...share a song with a friend and their Zune - and called the feature "Squirting".

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  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe get in the habit of calling it by it's full name initially. Then it seems like an unfortunate acronym instead of a software made by perverts. Note I'm fairly certain most software is made by perverts, and I'm including myself in that group.

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  • [+] 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's pronounced "JIMP" 😌

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    maybe just say the G.I.M.P. or something. honestly as a non-english speaker the name Gimp sounds very good lol

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  • [+] 20 points 9 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Not everyone speaks English, and there's no one standard of English.

    There's British English, Singaporean English, Indian English, Malaysian English, etc. Forcing one standard of English does not seem correct.

    Like, I've seen so many instances on Twitter of Westerner canceling Asian people for speaking "English Asia" (basically English but combined with their local language), just because they misunderstand the meaning of the tweet.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    GIMP but pronounce it JIMP, like GIF

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I usually just say things like "I used an open source image editing tool. It's like Photoshop, but free!" and then don't elaborate further heh

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If you're pressed further just use its long name GNU image manipulator. It's a unique name and every search engine will turn up the correct website for gimp when you search it. Or you could just use the letters. "I used Gee Eye Em Pee"

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Using the long name (it's actually GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a good idea, but I have never actually had anyone press for the actual name Not giving the name also means I don't have to explain anything if I later used Inkscape or something else as those would also more or less fit the description I gave.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    what are you gonna do, ask for a refund?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    You could use Procreate instead. Oh wait a second...

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    Some folks call it Gnu Imp, but i really do wish they would change it.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Wasn't it originally called GTK? Why did they change it in the first place?

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    No, GTK (GIMP Toolkit) is a different thing. Specifically, it is a user interface widget library that uses code originally developed to implement the user interface for GIMP (to replace the Motif widgets it had been using before). Nowadays, GTK is used in a bunch of applications, not just GIMP.

    First came GNU (GNU's Not UNIX), then came GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program), then finally GTK (GIMP ToolKit).

    Which means the full name of GTK is therefore "GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program ToolKit," BTW.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    I fixed this by using Krita instead. I used to only use it for vector work but then realized it does most everything GIMP does, too.

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Anyone who tried to bring GIMP into nonprofits and schools dealt with this problem. I cannot explain how many uncomfortable conversations I had with non-technical people.

    And the defenders will continue to say GIMP's name is fine and still be shocked of the low adoption rate.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    That has to be a US thing there's no way anyone else is like that.

    I work for a pretty button-down organisation and frankly they're ridiculously obsessive about corporate stuff but even they wouldn't blink at Gimp.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe in America? I can tell you in most of the world, nobody would even think to give a fuck about the name, it doesn't mean anything. The word "gimp" isn't even popular enough. 

    This sounds like some weird copium: surely the app would take off and replace Photoshop long ago, if they just changed that damn name! There was one fork that thought that, with a different name, died shortly after creation. Because in reality nobody cares about the name. 

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm literally explaining to you the challenges I've had.

    In many schools, I brought libre office and ubuntu into the classroom. I taught a whole generation of kids about open source.

    Rather than recognizing that maybe there's something off here, you shrug and say nobody really cares.

    You're part of the problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Well, did you know there was a fork of gimp called glimpse, that was created because of that name?

    Well... its abandoned now... So... apparently the name didn't make it more popular.

    [Edit: removed AI written articles about glimpse.]

    https://web.archive.org/web/20191226042940/https://glimpse-editor.org/about/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230325235741/https://github.com/glimpse-editor

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230325235732mp_/https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus/

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    So what's off there? What are the challenges you had? When one searches "gimp" in any search engine, they only get search results for the image editor. One has to really go out of their way to look into some dictionary to find out the supposed meanings, and even a dictionary does not mention that it's a slur or anything, unless it's Urban Dictionary. Which of the meanings is supposed to be the bad one that's brought up?

    And in any case, what would you realistically expect the GIMP project to do? The software is known worldwide for the past 30 years and the name is not a problem in the slightest in any of the non-anglophone countries. Throwing off their name and branding could be a project suicide, the rebrands are risky and I'd say don't go too well that often.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I'd say it says more about the listener in that situation. GIMP is a great name for a GNU Image Manipulation Program, just like Fanny Pack perfectly describes a bag worn around the waist but you'd be surprised the looks you get in the UK for not calling it a "Bum Bag" instead.

    The people the immediately assume it must have to do with sexual fetishes (or make that connection) just aren't as familiar with what the rest of the world has been up to.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Honestly, how do they know the negative connotation of the word gimp?

    Because if you go to the dictionary definition it is the most inoffensive word. At its worst it means weak, an insult barely worse than dweeb and dork. It's synonym with gumption, it comes from references to fabric, FFS. If you know what a gimpsuit is, or know gimp only as slang or an insult that's on you and your ignorant perversions.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Hey, if you can code an excellent program while in a gimp suit...props to you.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    "a program like Photoshop." Or just say Photoshop. Does it really matter to them?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Or: GIMP – it's kinda like Photoshop, but for free.

    Why did OP make it so awkward? And it seems there's some implication that there was some opportunity there lost by just mere mention of the program, which seems like a big stretch. No need to be that insecure about the software you're using, the GIMP college garage copypasta isn't real. There's a chance they were just curious, got the answer and that was it... 

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I feel like a small drawback of (linux) open source is that everything is made by devs.

    Sometimes I feel like a graphic designer or a marketing person might offer some really basic but solid advice... Like "don't name your app Gimp."

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Discord is a terrible name for communication software, unless it's for arguments and disinformation.

    Twitter. Not tweeter (which would make a bit more sense), but I suppose it's from "twit", another insult.

    Git, also an insult. And then let's call sites GitHub and GitLab.

    Names like iPad, ThinkPad, AnythingPad were all criticized for sounding like feminine hygiene products.

    Most sites have a FAQ section, which non-native English speakers often read as "fuckyou".

    And in russian-speaking countries "eBay" sounds vulgar to begin with.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    Twitter

    intransitive verb

    1: to utter successive chirping noises birds twittering in the trees

    2

    ... a: to talk in a chattering fashion What are those people twittering about?

    ... b: giggle, titter | A few people twittered at the absurd statement.

    3: to tremble with agitation : flutter a hand twittering

    I'll give you Discord and Git but the rest feel like stretches.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    I know it's not easy for everyone but I think if one would say "GIMP!" with bit more confidence it would already help a lot.

    Instead of doing the awkward:
    "I-I use G-Gim.." sweats nervously "uummm Gimp.. It stands for GNU Image..." ÜwÜ

    Alternatively just say "I edit/create the images myself and use Canva to animate it"

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    On the other hand, we all avoided using Freax

    “I made this with GIMP, since I use Freax.”

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'd just follow up in the same sentence with "it's an Adobe alternative". People tend to fix on the last thing in a sentence so they'll just ask why you don't use that instead.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Why not rename it to Linux Image Manipulation Program?

    Oh, wait...

    Ok, then just Image Manipulation Program?

    ... oh shit.

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    Can this work?

    • GLAM: GNU / Linux imAge Manipulation
    • GLIDE: GNU/Linux Image DEvelopment

    Or like Krita, no acronym whatsoever - just a cool name

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    Lol, I suppose. One should stand their grounds and be proud of what they use. And if someone has a false impression of me because of that, correct it obviously and move on. Let them know that we aren't as superficial as having names/words being held against us; that's extremely judgmental.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Seriously, Why ICE american(s), Why??

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DB_403_026_2024-08-02_JM_5D413719.jpg

    We liked our ICE perfectly well. Nowadays I can't even mention to a customer that I like trains.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I just say I photoshopped it.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I pronounce it Jimp... for this reason ...and there's precedent with Gif.

    "Creatives Opensource Creat Kit" would be better

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