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[–] 93 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Never had anything to do with it personally, but just like with drugs it should be legal and regulated because it's impossible to prohibit it.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hard agree.

    Regulate it, tax it, protect the workers and users. Prevent the spread of diseases and use the money to ensure their futures.

    Minimize harm, maximize happiness.

    Failure to do so is a failure of society.

    After all, we already have so many people making money on onlyfans and through doing pornography, which is legalized prostitution anyway, so the people that do that in a non-video scenario should have at least the same protections.

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    It should be legal, safe, and taxed

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Same as belief. Churches have to pay the same as everyone. They are a corporation.

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  • [+] -11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Same as belief.

    how do you know someone is an edgelord atheist?

    Don't worry, they'll tell you. They'll crowbar it in wherever

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    how do you know someone is an edgelord atheist?

    why, the same with defensive religious people. They'll see a criticism on churches and they will take it as a personal attack

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Please let me know how relevant belief is to regulating and taxing prostitution. Like, he had that shit waiting to go and found any place to cram it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    he said that churches are taxed and regulated and whatnot, as prostitution should be too.

    Maybe saying "same as belief" wasn't good, but the rest of the comment makes it clear they're talking about churches. Not to mention the demonisation of prostitution that comes from those churches, so i find it relevant.

    Or maybe there's other parallels you can draw between belief and prostitution, like being roped into one against your will, or maybe it being "the only option", or being the only thing some desperate people look to for help, etc.

    Well, belief used in the sense of how most "churches" use belief, as a way to indoctrinate, kind of like the modern church.

    You can draw many dots and see it can be relevant to the discussion as a comparison, but it's easier to offload the mental work to others, no?

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Sex work is just work, as long as it is all between consenting adults.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    So long as everyone is able to legally and safely consent I don't see an issue.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    As a former prostitute its work and legitamite work but it needs more protection

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Looking at the pros and the cons, it must be the opposite of CONstitution.

    ...I'll see myself out.

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    [–] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Absolutely should be legal and taxed, with rules and regulations in place to protect clients and workers.

    I pretty much do have moral objections to it, its fundamentally gross to me, but its not going to stop and id rather these prostitutes work in a safe place and pay their taxes like the rest of us than get their passports taken by a guy named The Scorpion with a spider Web tattooed on his neck.

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  • [–] 25 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If the individual selling their services is doing so freely and isn't being exploited in any sort of way then I don't have a problem with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    We never used it but I did look into it when we lived in Nevada for a friend who had been celibate for over a decade at that point. Nice dude, but extremely quiet and just has zero confidence/game.

    I loved that the ladies were independent contractors who set their OWN rates, and they advertised what THEY were comfortable doing/ their explicit "no-go" list. There was also a strict consent banner on the site I used that said any of the ladies could kick anyone out at any time and there were panic buttons in the rooms.

    Never actually did end up contacting them because we ended up being too poor at the time. Wasn't mad though, those ladies were setting prices that they deemed fair for their bodies and I have mad respect for that. Whether people agree with prostitution as a concept or not, its not going away and its referred to as the "world's oldest occupation" for a reason. The best thing to do is protect the people who are choosing to engage in it/ensure they're getting paid extremely well for their time.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    As long as all parties involved are consenting adults it’s none of my business what they are up to. Except that prostitution should be legalized in a way in which they get equal rights and protections to other professions. The only reason it’s illegal in many countries in the first place is likely based on religious Puritanism, which I do not think laws should ever be based on.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Even Calvinists in the Netherlands legalised prostitution.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    suspect it's not in spite of their faith, but... in recognition of their humanity and lack of hypocrisy when it comes to humans.

    unlike other places where they'll decry prostitution then rape the alterboys.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Wasn't a core philosophy of Calvinists basically "god loves capitalism" (before the word was really established)?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    this is a fascinating question I don't have time to delve deeper into atm but a little googling:

    "Calvin increasingly conceived of a state where the rulers were limited in order to ensure protection of religion."

    "Calvin argued for moderation in business ethics. Lending and profit-making should be permitted only insofar as they were useful, never simply to build personal wealth."

    https://reflections.yale.edu/article/money-and-morals-after-crash/calvinism-and-capitalism-together-again

    but Calvin himself is entwined with capitalism

    https://daily.jstor.org/john-calvin-religious-reformer-influenced-capitalism/

    "Calvin’s theological beliefs, based upon his study of the Bible, captured adherents from around the Christian world as Geneva became a center of Protestant thought. He became known as a proponent of predestination, the belief that God’s rewards for humans have already been selected. It was later frequently invoked by wealthy Christians to justify their opulence as part of God’s plan that should not be disturbed by revolutions or high taxes. But Bouwsma argues that is a misinterpretation of what is a subtle theological doctrine about God’s mercy for believers."

    I suspect this is more capitalists embracing calvinism because the think it fits their desires but like most of religion, it's people using a higher power to justify their wealth lol.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The only thing more certain to exist till the end of time than prostitution is people complaining about it. I like it because it makes something explicit that is implicit in so many apparently non transactional relationships. There are so many people who say prostitution should be banned, who are also in relationships/marriages where they expect sex for shelter, food, safety or whatever. Prostitution makes the transaction clear. People point to the exploitative nature of it, but then reveal their real agenda by also rejecting the idea of making it safer for the people selling access to their bodies. The whole thing is a massively hypocritical pile of double standards. Mix into that cultures with backwards patriarchal religious doctrines and that's where you get the really angry people who talk about dishonor and stoning and all that jazz. Prostitution has been around since there were people and will always be around. When the puritans are in charge it just hides for a bit. This has been my TED talk, thanks lol

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    "Kyle, every boy pays for kisses. Do you know what I am saying? If you got a girl and she kisses you, sooner or later you're paying for it. You gotta take her out to lunch, take her to a movie, and then spend time listening to all her stupid problems. Look, look at Stan right there. He's got to sit there and listen to all her stupid motherf___ing problems 'cause she kisses him. If you ask me, that's a lot more than the $5 my company charges."

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    I'm fine with either, i understand why some countries ban it and why some don't. However if legalised, it absolutely has to be regulated very seriously. People working on that field need to be protected against abusive workplace conditions that can occur. If the govt cannot provide that protection, it's better to outright ban it.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Your body, your choice

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Many complaints against prostitution also apply to trading labor for money/shelter in general. People just have a stronger emotional response.

    Emotional responses are rarely a good foundation for policy.

    Prostitution should be legal with safety regulations. All labor should have protections, unions, and such, to protect them from being abused by the wealthy.

    Some specific things would probably remain illegal or disallowed, in the same sense that you're not allowed to work construction without safety gear. People can wear condoms as easily as hard hats and hi-viz vests.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Whatever two consenting adults do between them shouldn't be anybody else's business

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Its an acutely exploitative labor relation that should be heavily regulated within a capitalist system in order to reduce the amount of abuse the people engaging in it experience. Ideally I want a system where no one feels a need to sell their body for a living. No one should be coerced into sexual relations.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    This is the one.

    The only issue with prostitution is how easy and likely it is to be exploitative. And STDs, I guess.

    My worry about legalizing it is that we generally suck at regulating things. But at least if it were legal, that would give women an avenue to report and prosecute abusers.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago*

    I think it should be legal, monitored, and taxed - like cannabis and alcohol. Between consenting adults, not a problem.

    I think there’s a lot of mental health issues, and there’s a lot of abuse not all of which will be addressed by legalizing prostitution, but that’s not unique to sex work.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    So long as it's regulated and all parties are safe and consenting then it's none of my business. It's not something i'd be interested in however. To each their own.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (18 children)

    I have friends and love ones who have done survival sex work, there is nothing wrong doing sex work and I'm happy to fight people who say othrrwise

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (17 children)

    Considering “survival sex work” as something positive is quite strange.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I guess a worker under capitalism, all work is "survival work".

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  • [+] [S] 3 points 9 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    *economic organization

    But the idea is that, under capitalism you have to work in order to survive. Under a different system you work to benefit society, by your survival is otherwise assured.

    Really depends on how it's organized of course. Hard to say now since there is such a death grip on keeping capitalism for some reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Humans have a natural drive to work for the betterment of their community. Capitalism suppresses that drive by teaching them to sell their bodies and time. Give them a choice, and enough will choose to work that society can survive. Those who don't want to work are often sick in some way and need society's support. There's no such thing as laziness.

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  • [+] [S] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Have You ever wondered why they act that way? It may not just be as you assume, that they're terrible people, but instead that all empathy and sense of community has been ground out of them by a system that punishes you for thinking of others.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Is it? Or is it pragmatic rather than pessimistic?

    People dont just neatly fit into boxes, to be dismissed as having singular motivation that is all completely surface level. Every single person you meet and deal with will have a complex and unique history that defines them as a person, just like you. And just like you, they may dismiss you as just some simple-minded fool who does things for obvious reasons.

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    People have to do what they have to do to survive. If anything, I admire the strength of the people who fight that hard for survival. But the fact that they have to do that to survive is fucked up.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I agree with this sentiment, but I'm a socialist. I don't think anyone should find themselves coerced into work they don't want. Ideally, everyone is fed and cared for, and those who are fulfilled by sex work can pursue it without exploitation or stigma, and those who enjoy the end product can enjoy it without fearing the situation that produced it

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Positive isn't necessarily what I was going for. Mixed reviews from the creator side, I'll say, but there is nothing wrong with exchanging sex or sexual services for other goods or money. Its just as vulnerable to exploitation and abuse as other industries, but the major difference is that the people working in the industry are looked down on and abused socially and legally by third parties.

    The stigma around sex work keeps sex workers in dangerous situations where it is difficult to manage their clients safely, and allows bad actors to abuse their power over them (ask any sex worker about police interactions), putting them in more danger than is already inherent to the industry. Whorephobia sucks, and it feels like people just don't want things to be better with people who choose sex work, or who find no other avenues open to them.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    As a dude, i sucked a dick for big money to some rich old guy. With inflation, over 900 dollars for like nothing. So im biased

    I think it needs to be legalized world wide to give it an opportunity to be regulated. If its already happening might as well capitalism the industry. Its going to happen either way, or the world will continue to have deep state sex clubs.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Regulated with provisions for safety. I'm all for the idea it should be in a specific license location, like love hotels or massage parlors or something like that. No going to someones house or a different hotel.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Much of what you said I agree with, but let me say that an independent license with less restrictions will be way more favorable and harder to secure than a location license. An independent license should not remove regulations, but remove security. Being licensed through a house should guarantee the availability of condoms and such, security personnel, testing, and so on. An independent license should require std testing regularly, but also means a John/Jane has to sign a waiver that they understand this is an independent.

    I also would like to state that a house should never be run like strip clubs are where the strippers are independent contractors who have to pay the club. Workers should be employees just like ia regular job. Just a license.

    Another point should be that a worker needs to be responsible for their own license renewal. The license for renewal (on time) should be free if you are in a house, and tied to the company that owns the house. If a worker gets a better offer at another company, a new license is required, but not if it's a transfer of locations within a company.

    And in the point of the company, there should be limitations on how many houses they can own, and how many workers in each house. Maybe that can be at a local level, like I can't have a house called Billy's House of Poon right across the street from another place I own called Madam Sapphire Day Spa. Zoning laws. I live in an area that saw an explosion of dispensaries after weed went legal, and now most of them are all owned by corporations that have no problem opening new shops in the same market. Avoid that.

    I could go on, build out a framework for all the legal stuff, but I'll keep it simple.

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Im old school and think humans should not legally be able to do this. But since they will do it anyway, without legal support, the issue is more complicated.

    I guess its better if they have legal support if they are going to do it anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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    Why a human being shouldnt sell their body for money?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yes, exactly. I sell my brain to work everyday. I definitely wouldn't be sitting in this chair having meetings about other meetings if they weren't paying me for it.

    I whore my brain out.

    Construction workers whore out their bodies. They get destroyed by that work. They have shorter lives because of it.

    So yes, if we're okay with all of that, why not prostitution?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm curious. I don't subscribe to your way of thinking, I won't downvote over it as it's your honesty opinion.

    Do you think similarly about people using sexuality to further their career efforts? Because that's a pretty vague area. You have models who sell their good looks, you have people furthering their career by seducing their bosses and you have people marrying to increase their position in life.

    Could you demarcate where you would draw the line?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, its fine if you dont subscribe to my way of thinking. You wouldnt have the same thinking in a monk or a businessman. Two people cant even agree on what color they want at home sometimes.

    I dont think we will agree on this topic. For me, I see a human being as a more spiritual being than you do, with a soul and a purpose. If you subscribe to the typical western idea of humans just being animals, then I totally understand why its fine to behave in any way that benefit you (as long as it doesnt put you in trouble of course).

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Well that is a good point, and an important clarification.

    I do object a bit about the 'humans being animals'part, that seems to undersell the soulfulness of most animals (but that's a bit off topic).

    If a person were entirely filled with enjoyment of sexual acts and in full control over whomever they rendered their professional pleasure to would that scenario be more or less soul destroying than, say, a standard workman grinding a job he doesn't like for things (s)he finds most important, like family?

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  • I'm not going to read through to find where Carlin was already quoted, but I stick with "selling is legal, f****** is legal, why isn't selling f****** legal?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Even in countries were it is legal and has some kind of regulation, it still has exploitative character. Not for all but for many. And I think forced labor, of different degrees, is more common then you think.

    Even when regulated and legal, we need to think about the careers after sex work. Can those people freely transfer into a new position without discrimination?

    And since there is discrimination, worker rights, and often women and gay rights, are neglected.

    To establish a safe working space for sex workers it is not enough to regulate and make it legal. You need to actively support each group individually and make it clear, that as for every other form of employment you have rights and someone else is actively fighting for it. It is not enough to tell people they have rights and they have to fight all by themselves. Especially when we have established that human trafficking, exploitation, femizide, and so much more are common.

    So I think the answer should not be: just make it legal and write regulation. It should be: what actually is a safe working space for all, no matter if selfemployed or working in a brothel.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I have no opinion. Never tried it.

    I do worry more than a few prostitutes may not be that willing to do that, though.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    It's very common but also very disingenuous to conflate sex work with human trafficking. While the connection certainly exists, it's basically caused by the prohibition of sex work, rather than by sex work itself. By pushing it underground, you attract criminal elements, which is where the association of sex work with crime comes from. Fighting human trafficking is a very thorny problem but criminalising the victims never helps.

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  • [+] 3 points 9 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    think it should be legal, properly regulated, taxed and viewed as a profession.

    A hesitant yes to this. I have two main concerns (I'm in the US). First is that protection for the workers should be paramount, and I'm not sure how that gets enforced with all the corporate fuckery that goes on. I'd give it perhaps three seconds before someone Ubers the idea, making everyone on their list an "independent contractor" and enshittifying the entire thing.

    My second concern is that "game of telephone" story several years ago. Someone pointed out that in Germany, job agencies could technically require women on unemployment to apply for jobs in brothels. Again, with the current state of things, with red-pilled incels on the rise and fringe elements suggesting the government should assign them a girlfriend, I'm not sure this is something I would feel safe implementing at this time.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Your first fear is completely valid, hopefully good policy and active regulations can prohibit that. Still can't imagine it will be worse than the current state that sex workers face.

    For the second point, while job centers are tasked to find you a job in your field, it is funny to imagine a conversation going like:

    • So I have a doctorate in chemistry with 6 years of experience in my field, looking for a new position
    • Sorry Dr. we don't have any openings atm, but we do need an office twink, unfortunately our last office twink is now t'was
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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The thing is, the longer you're out of work, the more they pressure you to apply for jobs outside your regular qualifications. It may be unthinkable to you now, but: rise of misogynist techbros, AI programming "matching" candidates to openings (with all the inbuilt biases and hallucinations that come with that), AI and unthinking automation in government services, cutbacks and deliberately programming for frustration in customer service - I can definitely envision people on unemployment being encouraged to work as a prostitute.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, from the sort of cold, heartless, detached, and incredibly oversimplifying level that those sorts of governmental decisions happen at... selling sex is one of the few things just about anyone can technically do. It's also the kind of thing that it would be hard to prove doesn't have effectively infinite demand.

    I can totally see bureaucrats going: "You've got working holes, go get to it."

    Let me say again, that's a horrid oversimplification of reality, but one that I can easily imagine coming out of government organizations.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I am in complete agreement with you on all these points.

    The issue is, workers ARE already being exploited. The idea is regulations would bring about safeguards that would try to prevent these scenarios.

    But let's say what you said has happened and now someone is in this situation you described. There are two scenarios:

    1. Prostitution is legal
    2. Prostitution is illegal.. now what? commit crimes? starve? It's not like because prostitution is illegal suddenly there are new prospects available to this person in this broken system

    I'd argue decriminalization of prostitution does more good than harm in this situation.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Legalise and tax it.

    I've not done any research but generally making anything illegal is worse for everyone involved.

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    [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    As long as the industry has regulations that help keep the prostitutes safe ( generic things like STD testing and time off to clear that all up, ways to deal with rowdy, rough customers, etcetera ) In have zero problem as long as the workers are consenting and at least in their mid to late 20s to keep the creepiest of people out.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    I think its quite necessary profession and also extremely compassionate one. Those doing it should be protected and appreciated better.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Kind of conflicted?

    I'm fine with the idea of exchange of money for sexual services. I don't have any moral qualms with that practice.

    My concern is that, even in some legal structures, it tends to encourage the preditation of some sex workers for the benefits of others exploiting people's sexual labor.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Exactly how i feel too.

    Every now and then there are headlines how some restaurant made their immigrant chefs work absurd work days with very little pay, or how some construction workers had been told they cant leave the site at all and they are made to live in shipping containers etc etc.

    Prostitution has deep connection to human trafficing and using narcotics to controll the workers with addiction, so its not like every professional of love would magically be saved in an instant.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Same as my opinion on walking though the self checkout line. My body my choice.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'll preface this by saying I'm broadly in favour of decriminalising prostitution, it's interesting to note that in the UK, prostitution itself is not illegal but operating or working out of a brothel (anywhere 2 or more prostitutes work) is illegal. So one of the main ways prostitutes in the UK are made less safe is by preventing them from legally grouping together into a property forcing them onto the street or into the seedier parts of the Internet.

    One of the major problems with legalising prostitution in areas where it's been done (such as Amsterdam, Germany and Australia), is there seems to still be issues around trafficking women and using them as effective slaves to their pimps/handlers and there doesn't seem to be enough to tackle that issue and the normalisation of sex work does forster an environment where the victim isn't able to reach out to people like the police as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I agree with your first paragraph, but I've heard from experts in the field that human trafficking is already illegal, criminalising sex work just scares the victim into silence.

    A lot of sex slaves here in Australia are immigrants who agreed to an illegal and unethical deal in order to flee their home countries. So when the cops bust a trafficking ring, what do they do? Send the girls back home to the regime they fled. That's not helping. The government should give them a visa and let them work here if they want.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It's legal and regulated. Seems to work fine. I don't know anyone who wants to outlaw it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You know what would give women power over men? Allowing them to charge money for sex. This is why it's so demonized. It should be legalized so it can be regulated with health standards, and standards of engagement that protect everyone, like condom use, and having to do monthly or weekly STD/HIV checks. Make it 21+ ID is required to buy and sell services.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Nah, that's not it. Germany has legal and - theoretically - regulated prostitution, and society is not meaningfully different than, say, France in that redgard as far as I can tell.

    There are other issues associated with it, but just that one argument alone doesn't seem to work based on what I've seen.

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  • I was never personally a sex worker of any stripe, but I've known a few, and they've told me stories of their old work friends. I'm fine with it. One of the people I knew liked it enough to keep doing it even when money got tight, all but one of the rest I personally knew were about as fine with it as I was working retail. The other one had done it intermittently as needed for food.

    It's work. It should be legalized, and regulated, like most other work is. One of my friends ran a brothel for a while (while working in it as well), and from what they said, they ran a good ship there. Had in-house regulations similar to OSHA's, workers were all well-paid, had benefits, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Depends if you count porn as prostitution. They are doing it for money but not with you as the final customer.

    Not a fan of actual person-to-person prostitution, however it shouldn't be illegal. That being said, forced prostitution is a huge problem that must be addressed.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    One of the commenters said it was fundamentally gross to them..

    It's fundamentally depressing to me: intimacy's .. unending.

    There's no such thing as "a 1-night stand", or "just a fuck" .. you'll never be unmixed with that someone..

    & doing it as mere-transaction, or mere-physicality .. ??

    but apparently that view that most of a someone isn't physical, & most of sex isn't physical either, is deemed to be nonsense,

    & pretending that merely-physical is "all that exists" is actually common ..

    so, my perspective is deemed lunacy or idiocy by this world.

    But seeing women being used for mere-physical sensation by random strangers, as a purchased-transaction .. that's depressing..

    I wish the world didn't work that way.

    I'm with all the people who want prostitution not-criminalized, who want it taxed & regulated, & I'd add that I want pimping criminalized: let women form cooperatives, or something, but nobody should coerce anybody into the biz of being used bodily.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I’m in Australia where it is legal and regulated. Each state has slightly different laws, but generally I understand they are about the same. I haven’t studied the law around it, but things like pimping is illegal because it is exploitative, as is anything that resembles sex trafficking. Brothels are much safer than the streets and have to be registered with stringent health checks. They are not allowed to directly sell sex services, rather the sex workers work out of them and the brothel charges room rent, which amount to 50% of the fee. The girls are in charge of what happens in the room, which by law includes a health checks. There are also massage parlours and spas, which provide erotic massage with a happy ending. I occasionally attend a nearby spa place which is really nice, you have the traditional one by one introduction to the girls, then the manager comes over to ask who you are interested in, you pay them, and the girl comes over when ready and takes you downstairs to the private spa rooms. Besides the spa, there is a massage table for the happy ending if you choose. They can offer “extras” which you pay them directly for, it never involves the house. There are also escorts, the same as anywhere in the world, they come to you, good for the travelling businessman in a hotel.

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