"When do I start feeling like an adult?"
That's the neat part! You don't!
"When do I start feeling like an adult?"
That's the neat part! You don't!
Well I mean, we're all just mostly LARPing this whole adult thing, right?
I’m in my 50s and actually still LARPing, and playing TTRPGs, and MMORPGs. No need to grow up for anyone else’s sake as long as you’re not harming others.
Lightning bolt, lightning bolt!
Pretty sure I was born LARPing being a kid too. I never made the very common presumption, when most(?) people are young, that adults (or my parents for that matter, religious indoctrination immunity) knew what they were doing. Perhaps I came across older than I was, and now the opposite is happening the more grey hair I get!
Neither am I, I just think I shouldn't be allowed to but a house or rent a car or use a chainsaw or raise a child unsupervised. That's something grown-ups do, not me (40yo).
Yeah but there's also a massive subset of people making horrible children because they shouldn't be parents in the first place. Its unfortunate but it happens.
According to me, for one. You seem to not understand your own privilege, or you'd be aware of the countless unwanted, unloved children born to parents who do not give a fuck that the world then exploits relentlessly until they manage to remove themselves from the abuse cycle or are dead. The foster system is full of them, and so are the prisons. Ever heard of the school to prison pipeline? It's a thing, and while many of those parents are simply disadvantaged but otherwise loving, many others are worse. Far worse, apparently, than you can acknowledge.
So according to me, a person with skin in this particular game, if a parent is unable or unwilling to see potential offspring as vulnerable little humans in need of protection, nurture, and provision until such time as they can manage on their own, they should not be parenting. And honestly, if a parent or would-be parent sees children as means to an end, things to use or worse, to sell, then "judging" them is quite frankly the least bad thing that should happen to them.
I'm glad you enjoy your life. But your kind of life is not the only life being lived. You are privileged beyond your own awareness.
You said it better than me.
Apparently Tubular has not seen the massive amount of horrible parents and by result, children.
Not judging anyone, people can do what they want. But a lot of people do not step back to take in the gravity of the situation when discussing bringing new humans into this world.
Just like your own experience vs the experiences of others, there is an entire universe of difference between affirming tangible facts and claiming to have a solution. I stand by every word I actually wrote, and you should read them: I never claimed to have a solution to shitty people who choose to be parents despite their shittiness in parenting.
You arrogantly and dishonestly tell me "Your argument is stupid and draconian" without ever seeing it's not an argument I ever made. It's some unknown vile mess that you wrongly inferred because of your own internal baggage.
So when you can acknowledge the vast difference between stating established fact and claiming to solve the world's problems, then we'll talk. But in the meantime, you must not be nearly as happy and fulfilled as you claim to be with your own life, or you would not have needed to twist my words and those of others into strawmen that you then slaughter with openly displayed rage.
I do have one solution to offer you: instead of attacking strangers who rightfully acknowledge the horrors of bad parenting that actually exist in the world, honestly looking in a mirror at why you are reacting to this subject the way that you do throughout this thread may indeed give you the answers you are clearly desperate to find. Peace out.

Our parents were faking knowing what they were doing, just like we are.
I blame them. A huge part of why everything is shit now is because of their unwillingness (as a group, I know there are some individuals who are not like this) to leave things better than they found them. They have pulled up the ladder behind them. They blame us for having college debt even though they're the reason college is so expensive. They blame us not not buying houses even though they've hoarded them and created the systems that make housing so unaffordable. They blame us for not having children while gutting schools, affordable childcare, etc.
I feel like I came at this from another direction. In my twenties I cut my foot pretty bad on a rusty screw so I went to the hospital and got stitches. The doctor didn’t prescribe me an antibiotic and I foolishly thought “oh they’re a doctor, I must not need one!” I of course got a pretty bad infection within a few days that required me to be on IV antibiotics for several days. I’m lucky I didn’t need any debridement or worse. I learned through that experience that nobody knows what the fuck is going on and you cannot count on “adults” because we generally know fuck-all.
i strongly believe we have deluded ourselves as a society to associate natural human feelings with youth when they are simply how humans perceive and feel regardless of age. every single older person i ask if they feel their age says no. they all tell me they feel like they’re in their 20s at the oldest, some still teenagers. your body ages, you get wiser due to life experiences, but you don’t “become an adult” ever, because what we consider adulthood is a Western lie built upon capitalist standards and strict American individualism (if you’re in the US).
i don’t feel 36. i don’t know what that would even entail. i feel “younger,” but i don’t see it that way. i feel like a human being connected to his actual existence and acknowledging it rather than allowing it to be repressed because i’m too old for x y z. we are all young-minded permanently. that’s just how humans are. it isn’t reserved for the physically young.
Perhaps its because we assume a proportional relationship between ignorance and youth. But because its impossible to know everything we are doomed to feel ignorant frequently and therefore perpetually stuck in a state before the imaginary line between young and old
It's right around the time that you realize your parents were just doing the best they could and didn't know how to "adult" either that you start to understand that you're destined to do the same thing. We're all just making it up as we go and hoping to do better than the previous generation. Generation after generation built upon the knowledge of iteration.
So yeah, mentally, I don't feel significantly different than I have at any other time in the past twenty years, aside from knowledge and experience, but I also realize that I'm viewed significantly different by others, so you kind of have to act the part and fake it till you make it.
I've always felt like a kid and told myself I wouldn't grow up.
Still the same. I think having a somewhat traumatized childhood also makes you want to live as a child freely again.
Also not having kids helps. I can do anything I want and make my own schedule.
I never understood boring old people. Ill be doing projects and having adventures until im 80.
And this is why i argue we cant have UBI, or most people wont do jack shit and the utilities will get shut down 😅
I have times where I want to be lazy. But it doesn't last long and then im on to the next thing. And I consider myself low energy compared to the shit I see my friends getting done!
If UBI just covered the most basic needs, most people would still want to work in order to buy things and have experiences that are not strictly necessary. If people weren't worried about having food, shelter, and healthcare it would open up the possibilities to do work that is more aligned with their values. For some people that's still going to be making as much money so they can have a higher quality of life than substenance. For some it's going to be something they love or are good at that they don't do now because it doesn't pay enough to cover basic needs. For some it's going to be something with a flexible schedule so they can spend time with their families. And yes, some people wouldn't work at all.
This is not to say that it wouldn't change a lot about our current systems. Things would change, in some industries more than others. But I don't think it would cause a mass of the population to choose a life of sloth.
So basically, i can keep working 50 hours a week and be twice as wealthy as I am now, since fewer people will work, and other people can quit their jobs but at least be allowed to live in a 1 bedroom apartment and not starve? Im fine with that.
It wont work like that though. It will screw over the middle class.
I want to sit on my ass and be unproductive
I think having a somewhat traumatized childhood also makes you want to live as a child freely again
I call this the "very mature for your age" to "youthful energy" pipeline.
Being an adult in the sense of being responsible, feel pretty good about. Pay the bills. Feed myself. Go to work.
Being an adult in the sense of having no fun, or tightly restricted fun, not so much. Still go see live music and play video games.
You don't have an insight into other people's minds so you attribute their behavior and decisions to some knowledge you don't have but they do.
This is a fake feeling caused by lack of information. Everyone is improvising life.
Some reading as introduction to the cause of the phenomenon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias
This is a good and a bad thing.
There is no dividing line between when you're young/middle aged/old. It doesn't exist. I remember being 10. I remember being 20. I remember being 30. I remember being 40. I am still the same sentient entity I was at all those ages.
There is no reason to assign any "age group" to yourself. Be the age you feel inside.
Many of the traits of childhood are wonderful and you should cling to them. Sense of wonder and curiosity, goofiness, don't take yourself too seriousky, adventure, physicality, etc.
I think I get what you're saying, that sometimes one wonders if relative to some of your peers of you're "achieving" enough. That's a trickier question because some introspection from this is good.
What if you're just staggering through because life won't stop shitting on your family? Every time we get above water something else catastrophic happens. Couldn't even get our kitchen and bathrooms fixed from water damage with the paltry insurance payment we got and then the basement ceiling and imsulation got soaked from external water. No way can we report that to insuramce because they will drop us and we'll be fucked into a higher rate. Don't use State Farm. Cunts.
Oh yeah, and the floors we paid to have redone 3 years ago? Already buckling and peeling. Warranty replacement has been in process for over a month now but at least there's a glimmer of hope we'll get something from it.
Adults are just large children. Accept this and move on. You will never understand anything, really. Those that seem to are just pretending.
There's a reason terms like "man child" exist. And sayings like "boys never grow up". 😂
I'm 42, and I feel like I'm cosplaying and LARPing as an adult. I'm able to convince everyone but myself.
Mortage, kids, and a pretty nice career is my equivalent of a fursuit - something to hide behind in an effort to find acceptance from likeminded.
I know I'm mature. I know I'm put into positions of responsibility. I still feel like a teenager.
You're fine, some days I barely feel human let alone adult. I imagine the overwhelming majority are faking it till they make it. It's one of those clichés that's cliché for a reason.
When I started saying "I can't do that, I'm an important guy with shit to lose" I became an adult.
I only really feel like an adult when I spend time with kids and young people. Even though the students I teach are at university, and thus technically adults... I'm always struck by how often they seem 'immature'.
And to be clear, I don't even really mean that as a criticism. Sure, at times they don't pay attention and forget to do things and seem akward/nervous. But "adults' do all those things too. The difference is the adults have generally accepted these flaws and come up with coping strategies (both good and bad) like avoiding those situations, or blaming other people.
So, what makes me feel like an adult is not that I'm on top of things, or that I'm no longer a mess. It's that I know I'm a mess, and I no longer hope that one day I'll get everything sorted, and tbh, that's fine.
I have kids myself, but I don't feel ashamed of letting them know that I don't always have the answers or that sometimes I like to jump the trampoline for fun.
Adults who seem like they know everything and act responsible all the time actually seem "juvenile" in my opinion.
They don't really get it, you know? Like they got to that level of life by following expectations and then stopped developing past that and just keep trotting along. Some people get stuck there while others "soften up" when they get grandchildren and less responsibility or whatever.
People mature in different paces, but the whole "being grown up" is definitely just an optional phase.
I often think of this SMBC comic. It left a deep mark for me and it came out over 13 years ago.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2012-06-24
We are all faking it, we don't have a clue what we are doing. Some are aware of it, some are not.
Just hit the big 40 recently and I still feel just as immature as I did in my twenties. Just with a bunch of new and exotic pain.
For me it was after both of my parents had passed away. There's something about losing the people who could still see and treat you as their child, no matter how old you had become, that changes things. I do still feel like I'm waiting to be a grow up sometimes. My great grandfather lived to 101, and still often felt that way. But once the "adults" who raised you are gone, you find yourself out in the open and may have to admit that you're the adult now.
Adult is just being 18+ years old. What you may be looking for is how to mature as an adult. That’s done by trying, failing, and learning over and over again. You’ll always have some fear of new things, but you eventually learn how to bounce back from failure to reduce the fear. As you get older, you’ll lose the support of family because they die. As that happens, you’ll learn to fend for yourself. You will not mature if your are doing the same old stuff because it’s comfortable.
Im not quite there yet, but literally everyone feels this. You know what you know and you don't know what you don't know. Being an adult is figuring out how to distinguish between the two. If you're able to recognize that something isn't in your breadth of knowledge and you're able to consult with someone else who is more educated on the subject matter OR you're able to self-educate before applying your ignorance, then that makes you an adult in my eyes. Or at least is a large part of the bigger picture.
"Being an adult" means doing all the things your parents did when you were young with the confidence and determination you assumed they had at the time.
Also doesn't help that much of modern management culture is suffocatingly paternalistic. Bosses want you to continue getting an education, they want you to dress a certain way, they're out assigning you work after hours, they're harping on you for showing up late or leaving early without regard to traffic conditions or life events. There's HR policy around shaming you for being overweight or diabetic or pregnant that's pitched as "how you can save some money!" but mostly revolves around saving the company paid sick leave and benefits. You're told to save in a 401k, but forbidden from managing your money independent of a brokerage. You're told to live independent of parents or roommates, but without the income to afford a home or an apartment convenient to your workplace. You're constantly subjected to reviews and milestones that only ever seem to monopolize your time and never result in career advancement.
You get the same attitude from businesses you interact with - everyone from salesmen to bill collectors to DMV officials have a way of talking down to you and using shame or disappointment to manipulate your behaviors. TV is increasingly just a series of jangling keys. Social Media is just 40 year olds who act like they're still in High School. PTA meetings feel like the blind leading the blind, as you meet with people who are just as infantilized as you've been, trying to convey why this month's deluge of standardized tests is more important than the last in a way you'll believe more than they do.
And that's before you get to the fucking Police. An entire multi-billion dollar bureaucracy dedicated to being America's abusive stepfather.
It sucks out there, man.
i also don’t watch TV or hang out with immature people.
:-/
Okay, buddy. Say hi to everyone in your Proust reading group for me.
i get to choose who interact with, where i work, where i live.
And yet you choose to be down in the muck with us shitposters. Curious.
I started feeling like an adult at about age 30. But 20 years later I still don't feel that different than I did in my 20s.
I'm almost 50 and had to look up DAE 🤷 It turns out that it is an abbreviation for 48 meanings!
I figured it stands for Does Anyone Else but what has clearly changed as I grew older is, how tired I am of abbreviations
I don't know about feeling like an adult, but I don't feel like a kid, that's for sure.
I used to genuinely worry as an 8 year old that I’d get older and just lose all sense of fun and silliness.
Turns out in my early 40s I’m just that very same 8 year old but I know a few more things and like boobs more than I used to.
I'm 30 and feel barely any different than I did as a teenager. Probably doesn't help I still live with my parents. Although going to my childhood best friend's funeral on Sunday might shake things up.
Never really have. Around 8 or 9, I stopped wanting to get any older and since then I've always felt like I was pretending to be my age rather than being it.
I understand that a lot of other adults are also pretending, but I've all but ceased to be able to keep up the charade.
For example, I own a house, and even managed to look after things for a while, but that was a struggle and there's no way current me is up to any of that.
I envy others' strength and ability.
I just realized the other day that one sure fire mark of adulthood is buying a vacuum. Nobody makes you buy a vacuum and you're not going to die without one. Nobody really wants to buy a vacuum. It's just something you have to do at some point. It's a willful decision to spend your hard earned money on something that's essentially a chore. Because that's what a responsible adult does.
damnit I've bought exactly one vacuum (well, not counting wet/dry vacs and battery handheld vacs) in my life. and I don't even have it anymore, I traded it for a different vacuum
other than that, I've been using (and still do!) a crappy one that my grandpa gave me over a decade ago
I remember the Dyson my mom gifted me as a housewarming present died (sheetrock dust is deadly to vacuums motors, it's finer particles than I realized. ) And I went researching vacuums and found what the vacuum repair guys on Reddit thought about best vacuums. I felt so savvy buying the one I chose in the end. Yay adulting!
Just pretend you know what you're doing. Eventually you'll forget you're pretending.
In my experience the only defining trait of being an adult is that you suddenly start to like getting socks as a present.
I'm almost 30 and just starting to feel like a kid.
I've had to be an adult since I was 10 but getting sober and having my first kid really brought me back to life. We play with a hotwheels track that we call car thing, we wrestle everyday, we have jam sessions where we switch instruments so for half of it I'm playing a tiny piano. When I buy clothes I let him help me pick stuff out and most of it's from thrift stores so my outfits have gotten very funky.
He also makes doing adult things more fun, we do everything together so he helps me with house work. There's the shark vacuum, the carpet cleaner turns the floor into lava, laundry basketball, we cook dinner together. My favorite is making pizza dough with him, it takes longer to clean up than it does to make the pizza but it's a blast.
Feel still like a kid.
Sometimes feel like a 10 year old in the body of an adult
Yep. At least partially. Never been able to achieve any of the milestones of adulthood. Marriage, home ownership, kids, etc. Could never afford anything.
Last night I ate two bowls of knock-off cinnamon crunch at 23 o’clock, simply because I hadn’t had cereal in a while. My parents would have sure been like “why? Just wait for breakfast.”
I’m 40.
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