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[–] 128 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

SURELY THERE IS A CONGRESSIONAL REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE EXPORT OF ARMS. SURELY A CHECK OR BALANCS EXISTS. REFUSING THE SALE OF F35S TO CHINA THROUGH SAUDI WILL HAVE BIPARTICIAN SUPPORT.

The AECA contains procedures for congressional joint resolutions of disapproval concerning notified FMS and DCS transactions. Section 36(b)(1) of the AECA prohibits the U.S. government from issuing an LOA if Congress "enacts a joint resolution prohibiting the proposed sale."

GOOD GOOD WAIT

Congress has never successfully blocked a proposed arms sale via a joint resolution of disapproval.

WAIT

The President has the authority to waive the AECA statutory review periods

Clown government

source https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/RL31675#_Toc193291696

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    The liberalist faith in law is a huge blind spot. The system is corrupt. It's been corrupt for a while now, but it's unmissable obvious now, and it disturbs me how many people are still saying strange things like how the constitution will stop this, the judges will stop this, the police will stop this. Corruption is systemic, not individualistic. The corrupt system isn't coming to save people from the corrupt system!

    If you aren't already, organize locally with others to perform real political action through our worker power. Even if your local area has to build from scratch - the sooner we as citizens develop political power, the more lives are saved.

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  • [–] 98 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yes the Trump is made of Trump

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  • [–] 70 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    this is treason

    Add it to the pile...

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yep. Now we're totally going to pursue this, aren't we. Right?

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Of course you guys are.
    They'll get right on it after they've done the insurrection treason stuff...and then the traitory stolen top secret documents stuff that were kept in an unlocked ticket next to a fax machine!

    Ha, just kidding. It'll all wait until he dies, and then maaaaybeee someone will look into it. And mayyybee a few of the lower echelon of his cronies miiiight get a slap on the wrist about it. Possibly a few fines.

    By that time he'll have sold off even more high tech secrets for more buildings in places where hardly anyone will visit.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Who is "we"? The corrupt government? The corrupt legal framework? The only way to fight a corrupt system like this is to develop political power outside of the system - we must all organize with fellow citizens to wield collective worker power.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Burger republic.

    "A banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the ruling class. Typically, a banana republic has a society of extremely stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling class plutocracy, composed of the business, political, and military elites."

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    "A borgor republic is a country with an economy of the best type of capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the job creators. Typically, a borgor republic has a 100% meritocratic society, usually a lot of lazy welfare queens looking for handouts and a ruling class of brilliant, innovative job creators and democratically elected politicians selflessly carrying out the will of the people."

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  • [–] 42 points 11 months ago

    Everything Trump has done from day one has been treason. For some reason the self appointed patriots don't mind.

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  • [–] 80 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Treason is legal when you're Trump.

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  • [+] 23 points 11 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Is it rape if "they let you do it"?

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  • [+] 176 points 11 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Kind of ironic too because as evil as they are, SA are absolutely an American ally as well.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But an ally ideologically (until trump). Previous governments just supported them because of oil.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago*

    It’s not just the oil, and this is kind of the key point. It’s also the defense contracts. SA is a huge buyer of American weapons. So the back door deal making has always been a thing. Selling them arms has always been a thing. There’s actually almost nothing that SA and the US agree on ideologically. Of course Trump inserted his own interests into the picture and found a way to enrich himself, and that is truly a new low, and utterly despicable. But let’s not knock him for giving arms to the Saudis as if that’s some new thing. Look, he’s arming a Chinese ally! I mean, come on.

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  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    monarchist nation build on slave labor, that murders political dissidents, queer people and indigenous groups? yea, that's probably bad or whatever idk, i mean we did all that too and we're the good guys yknow

    chinese ally???? now they've crossed a line!!!! 😡😡😡

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It's never stopped the US from selling them modern-for-the-time F-15s, their advanced versions, and other advanced weapons systems. Or Europe from selling them the Eurofighter Typhoon.

    I'm not saying this is the same or not a horrible decision full of corruption. Just that SA has been a longstanding strategic ally that has received a lot of military support from Western countries.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (12 children)
  • [–] 62 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    https://apnews.com/article/f35-fighter-jet-saudis-trump-deal-299b47534e121923851e18fd02a57799

    Appears there are a number of sources discussing it. It's strange being that Russia is currently selling them air defense systems as well.

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  • [+] -11 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Not seeing anything in there to support that Trump announced that the sale was happening because the Saudis are doing some deal with him personally.

    That may well be suspected, but to claim it as fact is propaganda.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    Well they can only speculate about motive, and a reputable news org won’t do that.

    But we know Trump, and we can put two and two together.

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  • [–] -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Post says "Trump just announced ... because ..." I don't see that that is the case. The suggestion is that he said "We're selling F35s to the Saudis because they're doing a deal with me", and that does not appear to be true.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, and we don't have any receipt to support that the Five Guys gave me a cheeseburger yesterday because I paid them to do so.

    That may well be suspected, but to claim it as fact is propaganda.

    /s. Yes, post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy. But consider the timeline: the Trump organization had made some deals about projects in Riyadh and Jeddah, but the big new development in Diryah, owned by the Saudi government, was still not on the table even after Trump toured it and expressed interest back in May. Now, suddenly, the deal is going through and the Saudis are getting the planes they want in the same week?

    Honestly, if you don't believe this, what kind of evidence are you looking for?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Considering that literally the only sole actions that the demented psychopathic traitor takes are to enrich himself (and his filthy cursed offspring / handlers) through absurdly blatant and completely undeniable corruption, it's not at all hard to see that this is yet another self-serving grift by the pedophile-in-thief.

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    remember KUSHNER got 2bn investment funds from the saudis? for giving nuclear secrets.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    And also handing over information from US spies on dissidents to Mohammed Bin Salman, even if they were family that just opposed him, he trapped them in a hotel and had them all tortured and/or murdered till there was enough alignment to him.

    "The Intercept also reported that Kushner’s information on Saudi royals not loyal to MBS was contained in the President’s Daily Brief, a document presented to the President every morning. Kushner lost his access to the document earlier this year when new security clearance rules were instituted.

    Eager to consolidate power and rein in the sprawling orbit of the Saudi royal family and aristocratic class, Prince bin Salman listened intently and a week later cracked down on corruption in the country by imprisoning more than 200 members of the country’s ruling class inside the confines of the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Riyadh, charging each with corruption"

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  • [–] 57 points 11 months ago* (16 children)

    America has concentrated far too much power in the presidency if this is something trump can just decide to do

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    No Congress abdicated its duty and so did the Supreme Court. If they were doing their jobs Sit like this wouldn't happen.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    To be fair Supreme Court was taken over by Republicans because the constitution is shit and with partisan SP there was no one to make sure Congress or the President follow the law.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    The very fact that Supreme Court justices are politically appointed, for life no less, is so beyond retarded I don't see how it was ever intended to be a check or balance in the system. How was this ever a good idea?

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    The answer is relatively simple, the supreme court just kinda gave itself a shit tonne of power early on and nobody stopped them. Also the states were meant to work as a check on federal power as well, if this shit happened pre-1910s there's a solid chance the president would've been shot or otherwise DC would be under siege from Maryland and/or Virginia.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    That's why I said that US constitution is shit. Modern constitutions solve this in a different way, actually separating the judicial branch. It's normal that the first constitution didn't get it right. What's insane is that US system was never reformed. In other countries people celebrate constitutions that are just historical documents. In Poland for example "Constitution day" celebrates constitution from 1791 that was used only for couple of years. It would never occur to anyone to actually try to use this constitution today. Yet that's exactly what US is doing. They can't comprehend that some documents can be placed in a museum and still be respected.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Thomas Jefferson saw this coming and specifically recommended each new generation revise it to reflect current society, we just started with “old white dudes own everything” and never bothered to change it. The fact that the 13th amendment was even written let alone still being used is a disgrace, you’re right it’s shit and needs an update.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    ...can a president appoint themselves as a Supreme Justice, eliminate all the other justices, and then just be the head of the judiciary for life?

    It should be a stupid idea, but recent events have been of little comfort.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago*

    Appointees do have to be approved by the Senate, but we've already seen that the republicans are perfectly happy to rubber stamp anyone who will favor republican policies. I don't know if the president could appoint himself, but I'd bet a republican-controlled senate would be happy to confirm him even if some law theoretically disallows it. The president cannot himself remove the justices through any mechanism of law (as if he cares about that), but justices can be removed by Congress via impeachment. I am not a lawyer, but I'm thinking a sufficiently corrupt congress/senate could make it happen.

    It's depressing how much of our government and legal system relied on the idea that at least most people would act in good faith.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Even if, the courts are there to punish, not prevent. The damage would already have been done.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    No, constitutional tribunals decide if new laws are constitutional or not. They can throw away a law even before it's enacted or applied anywhere. They very much do prevent things.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I mean they don't physically keep you from committing illegal acts. It's just words until you've done something.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    I mean, yes, but if US had a truly independent judicial branch it would be a totally different country today. They only have politicians committing crimes on a daily basis because the system deteriorated over time. Real checks and balances are meant to prevent that.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago

    Any other president would have been thrown in a cell, but for Donny and his cult it’s just normal business as usual.

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  • [–] 52 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    We got him boys. Pack it up. For the first time in a life of unchecked blatant corruption he will experience consequences. Yup. This is the one that does it. All that other treason was foreplay. Yessir; good day's work. We can all finally heal.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You kind of have to take a step back and just be impressed for a minute.

    For this man with all his fuckups and perceived incompetence, he's done an amazing job of installing yes men and cronies at every avenue that could have enforced any consequences for his actions. Can you imagine what it would be like to see someone apply a similar energy to actually improving our country.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Donny 2 Inches did NOTHING, which is the only positive thing he's good at. His owners and handlers handed a list of names to him and he just delegated all the appointments. Almost none have been confirmed by Congress, btw. Just like he has lawyers clean up for him, he doesn't actually DO anything in the courtroom.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I think this is the crux of it. He is incompetent, yes, he wears diapers.. he's functionally illiterate.. definitely a 2 digit IQ.. BUT he is also a sociopath. In a room full of other, smarter, sociopaths he gets manipulated easily. In his world there has never been any concept of black and white truth because there has always been someone there to curate his reality. To be honest, he's a perfectly constructed politician.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago

    Wait, the insurrectionist would commit treason?

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  • [+] 20 points 11 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Nobody in US political leadership wants to set the precedent of facing legal consequences for their actions while in power.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like First-past-the-post voting doesn't represent the people accurately.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Electoral methods are important and FPTP is an atrociously bad method for a representative election, but the US is beyond that. You can't vote away this level of corruption without first wielding real worker power outside of the electoral system. Reform is a last resort for the corrupt.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Time was you would venerate traitors and call them “founding fathers”. Different strokes.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    Remember when we found out we live in a country where all our military members, past and present, broke their oaths to protect our Constitution and that, as a nation, we don't give a shit if traitors sell us out?

    Home of the brave, my asshole.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    He’s committed treason daily for the last ten years. When are we going to do something about it?

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago*

    America is in its Zuma era.

    South Africa arms deal that landed Zuma in court

    Spoiler warning: the country has still not recovered.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    Taking a bribe to let China reverse engineer our next generation fighter jet should be the kind of thing that has consequences. That’s going to cost a lot of lives down the road if things go sideways.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    It echoes of China before their ~2011 anti-corruption campaign, they had a serious issue in previous decades where the CIA would basically pay-to-win, bribing officers to give promotions to their confederates. The point being, a corrupt system is easy to exploit, for any country that has some spare change to use.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    It could cost a lot of American lives. Could also save a bunch of Chinese ones.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    It could also cost our lives as a US "ally". Since they are the only fighter jet my country (Holland) is buying. Since China is a strong supporter of Russia it's sure that they will get access to any countermeasures as well.

    IMO we should sell those things and buy something else like the much cheaper alternatives from Europe.

    But my country is also becoming pretty fascist and idealises America so they probably will just cave.

    At least there's still countries like Spain who have already cancelled their F-35 order 👏

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    If you look at the history of military operations performed by both countries, it's pretty clear which one is the more likely option

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Maybe because the other didn't have the capacity.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    China nowadays has the capacity to steamroll half of asia into compliance. Instead they build alliances/partnerships via trade, even with countries they ideologically disagree with. It's less profitable in the short-term but leads to more predictable and stable development in the region, which benefits them massively in the long-term. Crazy what you can do if you think in centuries and not quarters.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    China isn't building trade alliances, they are trapping developing nations in debt traps

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    ¿Por qué no los dos? I mean, if you actually go to developing nations you will see that they are investing into real infrastructure that improves the standards of living dramatically. They also intend to turn some profit off of it. Most likely much of that profit will be in building long-term economic relations, rather than immediate rent-seeking, which can be viewed as "trapping nations in debt traps", or as "investing into development". They also invest with much fewer strings attached compared to IMF, which is a win comparatively speaking.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    Why not both? From someone from ML? Really?

    So I guess imperialism is all good when China's doing it?

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nah, I mean that what they're doing isn't charity (so they are doing the debt trap thing on some level), but it's also beneficial for populations of countries they invest in, and better than whatever the fuck IMF is doing.

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  • [+] 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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    China has successfully withstood US intervention and helped communist forces prevail in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. They also semi-successfully done the same in Korea.

    They don't fear US intervention much, it's just that their modern foreign policy is targeted at stability and growth rather than immediate overthrow of capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    This sale is horrible for many reasons including military intelligence. However a lot of the responses seem a bit ignorant of the current state of things. I'm sure there are lots of key technologies in materials, aerospace engineering, and digital warfare let alone the strategic intelligence of capabilities. However, China also already has many of the F-35 plans, enough to build a version of their own in the J-35. These fighters are also no longer next gen fighters. They are current 5th gen. Both US and China are developing their next 6th gen fighters.

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