My family's legal documents are being kept somewhere at home, and its kinda weird to think about, like zero security, I doubt its even fireproof, definitely not waterproof, some flood is gonna destroy it.

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[–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Well, I do I have tucked into a random bookshelf one of those "World Atlas" book safes that everyone already knows is a storage box and not a book, because they've been sold virtually unchanged as far as I can tell since at least the early 1990s. As a little treat to anyone observant who notices this and thinks they're so damn clever, inside I have nothing but a scaled down 3D printed replica of a cinder block.

It is astoundingly unlikely anyone will find where my valuables are actually hidden in my house, nor am I going to admit it on the internet.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I always wanted a hollowed out book as a child. So I took a steak knife and a random book I figured was big enough, and started painstakingly carving out the center. I still have it somewhere, it's kinda cool, but now I really would rather have a bookshelf hidden door, or maybe behind a painting, hiding a secret lair.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Keep in mind that many "fireproof" safes misrepresent their capabilities and the fireproofing itself can severely damage or destroy safe contents in a fire.

    Tl;dr: the contents slow cook and soak in a mixture of water and whatever else was present for hours to days. Depending on the severity and duration of the fire, plastics will melt, metals will tarnish, and unprotected paper, wood, and similar contents will be destroyed.

    Most more affordable safes are fireproofed via a layer of drywall material. Drywall is composed of gypsum, otherwise known as calcium sulfate dihydrate: CaSO4·2H2O .

    The fireproofing doesn't come from any direct insulating properties but the hydration of the gypsum. When exposed to enough heat, the water bound to calcium sulfate begins to unbind and boil out. The interior of the safe will remain at 100°C or less as the external heat energy from the fire is absorbed by this dehydration/phase change process, releasing water as steam.

    This turns your safe into a big steamer/(low) pressure cooker. The safe boils during the fire, then sits and "cooks" for hours afterwards as the area cools down. The safe keypad will be inoperative, so you'll be reliant on the backup key working. If that mechanism is damaged, the manufacturer or a locksmith will need to open it. No matter what, the contents will remain in a hot, damp environment for hours to days.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What if you were to put a bunch of silica packets or beads in the safe? Or put an air tight container inside the safe

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    You'd need a ton of silica gel, pounds of it, to capture steam as fast as it is generated. Your best bet would be a water tight, temperature resistant container like silicone bags for documents. I'd recommend a properly fireproof safe (read: $$$) or planning for potential losses for anything larger.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I put everything in our fire safe in silicone bags so I hope that does the trick.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's exactly what I'd recommend! The contents will crisp long before a quality silicone bag will.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Gun safe. Water proof, fire proof and locked. 200 lbs won't be walking out so easily.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Nice try, Danny Ocean.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Most of my legal documents can be reproduced easily or they are in a folder I can take with me. Apart from that I don't own anything of value.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    We have a fireproof / waterproof safe box we store documents like that in (essentially this). It's not going to keep an intruder from getting the documents if they wanted to (they could just take the box with them and smash it open, it's certainly not good as an anti-theft device) but it's waterproof and fireproof and that's more what we were concerned with.

    It's worth noting that these aren't rated to protect documents from a prolonged intense fire; if your house burns to the ground, it's probably not going to help.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    if your house burns to the ground

    There's a fire station like... idk... less than 10 minute drive away (probably like 5 minute drive I think), I hope that's quick enough

    then again, what are the odds of actually having a fire? 👀

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    as someone who lives 5 minutes from a fire station and had a house fire. 5 minutes is a loooong time to have a house fire.

    put a hotdog in the flame of a campfire for 5 minutes. then add another 3 minutes for actions taken after they arrive on scene.

    is your hotdog edible?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    That was our feeling, too - if we did lose everything, we have digital backups of those documents. The chances are obviously low of having a fire, but that's not really the point... the intent is to plan for the "what if" scenario. If you want 100% fire safety, you store things off-site, but this was an acceptable level of risk for the cost, for us. You mention floods; these boxes are rated for much longer in water, so they might be applicable to your use-case.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not a very legal person, but I can't think of any documents that I can't just request a copy.

    If my apartment were to burn down I would have bigger problems to worry about, like homelessness and losing all my tech that took me years to aquire.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I actually asked because I was more of thinking about storing journals, but didn't feel like elaborating in the post because nobody ever reads the body of a post anyways lol

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Not true! Especially about this subject. Until I read this, I saw your asain letters in your name and im sorry, but that immediately increased my suspicion that you were a scammer or something! I thought you could probably track our IP addresses -and find where we live and try to get our safe type so you could learn how to break in that specific safe.- if we didn't have a VPN. Ive known people that could do that stuff... anyway, im not racist or anything, but knowing this is a bout journeling humanizes you more.

    Edit: I wouldnt tell you shit and I think that anyone that does is a complete idiot

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago

    LOL

    It's from an Anime 😭 (Steins;Gate, characters are Kanji)

    I guess it also kinda works as a Sinophobia-filter. Not to point fingers, but even amonst many of the western "liberal"/"leftists", I feel like subconcious bias is still a thing. So I'm just intentionally trying to de-sensitize people to the idea of Asia. I get it, a lot of scammers, but I mean... I do not judge every Indian for a few dipshits that do scam. Neither should people be judging based on my username lol. But I get it, everyone has these implicit biases.

    I'm Chinese-American in case you're wondering, kinda feeling underrepresented in the fediverse, which seems to be westerner-dominated. Which is why I feel like I wanna be here, to sort of "fix" the underrepresentation issue.

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  • Sure. But it might be easier if you had a birth certificate or your insurance documents at the bank. It's just one less hassle to prove who you are to have someone make you a new copy.

    Arguably this is less of an issue with digital documents.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My mom bought me a fireproof safe because she was giving me some jewelry to hold for my kids, and she also had some documents for me to keep.

    It sat on the floor under a bed for years. Then I decided to get appraisals of the jewelry to add it to my homeowners insurance.

    When I opened the safe, everything in it was moist and moldy.

    Nothing important was lost or damaged, but it was nasty as hell.

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  • Important documents and hard drives with photos are in a fire- and water-proof safe. It's also just easier to find them since we never move it anywhere so passports and certs are all in there.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I just moved into a place with a (gun?) safe I don't know how to open. So technically I have one.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is it an old fashioned one with a number wheel? Try 0-25-0 or 25-50-25. I learned that one from Richard Feynman.

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    Long story, but TL;DR: These are the factory settings for most older combination locks.

    Feynman in one of his books explained that he picked locks as a hobby during and after WW2. So he knew how to pick locks, but his method for combination locks was not practical, basically a guessing game. At some point, a safe (I think installed on special orders by some overseer of the Manhattan project) was locked and no one knew the combination. So someone sent for a locksmith to open it. Feynman was hoping to find this locksmith, so he could ask him how to open such a safe. But, when he came to the room with the safe, the safe was open and the locksmith gone.

    So he did what any sane person would do; he found out the name of the locksmith, started following him around for a bit and ultimately bought him a drink in a bar. When he introduced himself the locksmith recognized his name, Feynman being notorious for his shenigans including lockpicking. So he asks the locksmith how to open this kind of safe, and the locksmith responds "no idea". So Feynman asks if he had no idea, why did he take the job and how did he open it. Then the locksmith explains that he was just going to show up, make some noise and all that, and then explain that he couldn't crack the safe, here's my bill thank you very much. But since he knew that these safes were all deliverd from the factory with either the standard combinations 0-25-0 or 25-50-25, he tried those first and that's how he opened the safe.

    Feynman found it baffling that someone had a big heavy safe custom installed for him, but was then too lazy to change the combination. He also went around the labs (where a lot of files realting to the Manhattan project were kept), and found out that quite a few combination locks on the file cabinets were still set to default.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, am an immigrant and Naturalized US Citizen. Papers are very important. Especially when we live in the "papers please" era

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm also an immigrant (though EU Schengen zone). I have a little plastic ID card (actually two, one from my home country and one from my resident country) but that's about it for identification.

    I guess I also have my rent- and work contracts ... though I'm not quite sure where they are.

    Does my vaccination card count as a document?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Jokes on .. whoever. My legal documents are not in one place I can’t even find them when I need to.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I don't use either, I have a small plastic folder for kinda important documents but tbh I can't really think of any documents I would actually need that are not fairly easy to get replaced.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    My sister inherited my dad's big fireproof gun safes and things like birth certificates are in there (at this point maybe they should be on our person).

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yea... I feel like this isn't just one country, as technology gets more developed, every government now wants to use more biometrics, face scanning, fingerprinting, mandatory ID. Eventually, we might DNA checkpoints to verify people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    And eventually everyone will be identified by a chip in their hand or or picture of your face. Sounds too much like the mark of the beast. Right? Thousands of years old prophecy. Not gonna do it. I dont want to do it least.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think they'll give you an option to opt out.

    In China, for example, you need ID for even for just a domestic train ticket. Random checkpoints are common, especially after Covid. I heard from my aunt that they do QR code contact tracing, but there are also (western) reports of dissidents randomly had their QR code "turn red" which prevented then from travelling.

    Eventually, western countries will do the same.

    We're cooked.

    Unless? 🤔 (France 1789? 👀)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    That is scary stuff to me. Losing most freedoms. And I hope to go to heaven when im done here. I dont necessarily want to go around again. Especially if its sn authoritarian hellscape, nuclear war and whatever

    Edit: I have a theory that maybe people reincarnate if they dont go to heaven after they die, for whatever reason. Maybe, Like, they didn't believe in Jesus, or they werent willing to sacrifice themselves for something greater than themselves. The importance of being able to die for something that is greater than self is the last and greatest lesson Jesus ever taught.

    And probably yes to the France thing

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I have all my important documents in a fire rated safe mostly because whenever I need to get one of them I remember "oh yeah I put that in my safe". I don't own anything valuable that could fit in the safe. As someone who works on safes though I would recommend anyone who wants one for burglary protection to bolt it down if possible and don't show anyone you have it. I've seen the aftermath people's 200+ pound safes dragged through the house and out the door. Also if you own guns and have kids I would absolutely recommend a safe to put them in. Check your local laws as well because here in California starting in 2026 gun owners can be charged if they don't have their guns locked securely and someone in their household who should not have access to guns gets access to their guns.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Everyone should have a cheap fire safe. For the documents that are super difficult to replace, if nothing else.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What documents are difficult to replace?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Birth cert, immunization records, high school and college diplomas. Name change docs. The list is endless.

    For example because my birth state is anti-trans I would have to fight just to receive a copy of my birth certificate. They would make me come to that state in person and still may have ro wait weeks.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Birth cert, immunization records, high school and college diplomas. Name change docs. The list is endless.

    The list reads like it only applies to backwards/undeveloped countries. Birth certificates aren’t a thing here, immunization records are in my digital patient file, I must have a paper diploma somewhere, although I have no idea where it is and I never had a need for it. The last time I had to prove I have a BSc. I just downloaded the signed PDF from the education service website. Any name changes would just be recorded in the government’s basic administration. Even things like the deed to my house is registered with the government and no one would ever ask me for the physical piece of paper, even when selling it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My important documents are all in a folder inside my closet. Somewhere.

    Other than that, the only stuff of value that I have are electronics, like my laptop, tv, phones.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Single person, living alone in a 1 bedroom apartment. Even I have a small fire safe.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I keep my valuables in an old CRT television that weighs more than sisyphus's boulder. No one's stealing that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I do not have a document safe. We keep all those documents in a cigar box.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've considered a safe, but I've heard the paper contents may mold if left in there too long. Currently too lazy to manage that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    We have a free online storage that was founded by the notaries in my country. I think nearly all important legal documents have a copy that is kept by the government.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The home safe is more about fire survival.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Banks have made it really difficult to rent safety deposit boxes lately. It used to be a common account benefit but I can't find any within a reasonable distance of me since 2023, and none which are included as an account benefit. A fireproof safe is good enough and the types of documents I put in it aren't truly irreplaceable anyways, just really hard/annoying to replace. I doubt many people use their fireproof safe for truly valuable items that would be attractive to thieves. My fireproof safe doesn't even have a proper lock.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    For a large part of my life, I have always fantasized about owning anything so important, valuable, or secret that I had to store it in some sort of vault

    Currently, I do not

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I know my parents used to have a filing cabinet for all our important documents and such when I was growing up, but now we don't have much of anything keeping them safe. I wouldn't mind having something like a lockable filing cabinet, but I don't have enough important stuff to put in it, nor enough space in my room.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    For guns, I picked up a decent one from a government surplus auction. The keypad had a couple numbers that didn't work and someone cut out the battery holder. But 10 bucks fixed both of those. So I got a $500 safe for about $45.

    Less about burglars or fires and more about curious young hands.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I live alone but I have a gun safe because in my state if I get robbed and can't demonstrate that I did my due dilligence to protect the guns from theives I could end up getting arrested

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Dont actually talk about this stuff man. Its not the nerds that care where your important stuff is, or that you are in possession of it, but they are selling that information to someone that might do something. Actual thugs. The guy who brag posted -in this thread- about a big heavy safe.... so dumb, thats exactly what they want to hear. There are literal safe cracking gangs. Its only TV but have you seen sons of anarchy? There are these people out there. So many bored degenerates that also have a lot of money, somehow.

    Its great to have a safe, just dont volunteer the info to strangers on the internet maybe. This is the voice of reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    If they're competent enough to find me and crack my safe they can find better things to rob than my $300 10-22

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Turn off your VPN and ill tell ya your general location

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    This is not a thing one should answer in a public forum.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I have a fire resistant safe.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I have a 7.62x51 belt ammo box that I use for important documents. It's easy to find, relatively disaster tolerant, and it has a carry handle.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've got my important data encrypted and backed up weekly to the cloud.

    I used to have a 1985 sailboat where some previous owner had installed a safe. I guess cash was more important when cruising abroad 30+ years ago.

    I have a caravan now. The caravan door is flimsy enough to tear open with your bare hands. I'd like to put something bolted to a cupboard wall just to lock up our electronic devices while we're out and about.

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